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grace59
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Snake Bite Vaccine for dogs??
Just wondering if anyone out there has experience using the Snake Bite Vaccine for their dog. Any side effects that you noticed? I'm debating if I
should have my dog vaccinated. We live in San Felipe and there seems to be many more snakes (Sidewinders) and snake encounters. Anyway, just wondering
about your thoughts and experiences with this. Thanks.
Whenever I hear that rainy, chill wind blow. I think it may be time to head for Mexico. Tengo que obedecer mi corazon!
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chuckie
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If you are talking about the pre bite shots, I have been using them on my dogs for years. They require an initial shot and then a booster. We have
lots of rattlers and a dog usually gets bitten at least once a year. The shots are effective and will keep the dog from dying from the bites. They do
get sick and usually get vet attention. In my opinion the shots should be given. I do not know the cost, here our local vet offers them free once a
year. We ran a B&B -guide service for hunters and had the opportunity of seeing the difference between dogs having the shots and not...Get your
dog the shots...
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bajaguy
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We do the pre-bite shots on our two Labs, have not experienced any problems from side effects
I would suggest you also take your pooch to a rattle snake avoidance/aversion training class. Well worth your (and your dogs) time....worked as
designed for our Labs when they encountered a rattler on a hiking trail.
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Russ
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Yes, here too. A neighbor has been bringing down the shots for many years now. My dogs have had their shots for the last 10 years now . Some one here
just asked over the radio about when our friend would return so he must have just read your post.
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No side effect on my Lab but fortunately never needed to see how it worked.
Better to be safe than sorry.
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toronja
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Coming from a science and veterinary background, I am on the fence about the rattlesnake vaccine.
Rattlesnakes release varying amounts of venom, and different dogs react differently, so many dogs that are bitten will recover whether or not they
receive the vaccine.
The vaccine has been tested in a mouse model, but has not undergone rigorous testing in dogs. When dogs that received the vaccine were monitored,
several still died from rattlesnake bites, indicating similar mortality rates to unvaccinated bitten dogs. Antibody titers after vaccine are highest 6
weeks after booster and only last for 6 months. In addition, the vaccine is based on Western Diamondback venom, and has not been tested against the
more common species of Baja.
Research has shown the vaccine to be safe, so you are unlikely to do your dog any harm by getting it, but there's little evidence it will do you any
good.
Here is the relevant scientific information:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0041010115...
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.101...
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1476-4431.2011....
(in mice) http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/ajvr.76.3.272
http://www.usarveterinarygroup.org/docs/Non-Core%20K9%20Vacc...
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Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  | | If you are talking about the pre bite shots, I have been using them on my dogs for years. They require an initial shot and then a booster. We have
lots of rattlers and a dog usually gets bitten at least once a year. |
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hondo
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That's one dumb dog.
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chuckie
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Aint the same dog..I always kept 4-5 bird dogs and had hunter clients pass through with 20-30 more per year...I bet you would get bit more than the
dogs, you dumchit....
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hondo
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Do you notify your clients of the snake infestation on your property? Do you even have a business license. There are laws even in dumbflock kansas.
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chuckie
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Good questions! Thank you for your input, Hondo!
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John M
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Rattlesnakes
We just took our dog to rattlesnake avoidance class - 20 minutes and she showed a dramatic reluctance to approach to within 20 feet of a number of
rattlesnakes of different varieties. The training is effective not just when the snake rattles, but the smell as well - her reluctance to get anywhere
near a rattler was impressive. $60 well spent here in the high desert.
We'll take her in next week for a "refresher" to be certain she has retained her lessons learned.
John M
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Do you get her the annual vaccine as well??
| Quote: Originally posted by John M | We just took our dog to rattlesnake avoidance class - 20 minutes and she showed a dramatic reluctance to approach to within 20 feet of a number of
rattlesnakes of different varieties. The training is effective not just when the snake rattles, but the smell as well - her reluctance to get anywhere
near a rattler was impressive. $60 well spent here in the high desert.
We'll take her in next week for a "refresher" to be certain she has retained her lessons learned.
John M |
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chuckie
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I do both....
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bajaguy
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That is the best procedure
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| Quote: Originally posted by John M | We just took our dog to rattlesnake avoidance class - 20 minutes and she showed a dramatic reluctance to approach to within 20 feet of a number of
rattlesnakes of different varieties. The training is effective not just when the snake rattles, but the smell as well - her reluctance to get anywhere
near a rattler was impressive. $60 well spent here in the high desert.
We'll take her in next week for a "refresher" to be certain she has retained her lessons learned.
John M |
[Edited on 3-30-2017 by cardo7]
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cardo7
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What method does she use?
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The rattle snake avoidance classes are great. My dog avoids all species of snakes, and even avoids snake-shaped sticks on the ground.
When he does find a snake he stands far back and barks to alert the world of danger.
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Method??
The trainer uses a shock collar, and gave our dog (25 pounds full grown, 4 years old) what I'd think was a moderate jolt to gauge her reaction to the
shock effect. He reduced the impact of the shock.
He had put two different rattlers in two different wire mesh boxes and place them under large juniper bushes maybe 30' apart. He walked the dog on a
leash near one of the boxes, within probably 5 or 6 feet, the dog seemed inquisitive and as she got a little closer he must have "zapped" her as she
immediately backed way off. At the time he applied the shock, one of the two snakes was rattling. He walked her around, and near other similar bushes
(no snakes) and she sniffed all around but wasn't skittish at all. Then he walked her near the second box with two different snakes and she seemed
cautious but got closer than I would have suspected she would. At that point he gave her another jolt, she got away from the area of the box quickly.
I don't know if the second episode either of the snakes were rattling or not. He repeated walking her near bushes with no snakes and she didn't shy
away from the bushes. I took her then, on a leash, toward the snake boxes, as soon as we got within 15 or so feet she pulled away quite hard. That was
the reaction he was looking for. He cautioned us not to compel her to get any closer than what she would do on her own. Each time the same reaction,
and the snakes were not rattling during this phase. I walked her maybe 5 or 6 times toward the boxes and she pulled away every time. Then he took the
snakes out, one at a time, and put them on an open area, uncaged. He had us approach until the dog alerted and with all four different snakes she
wouldn't get closer than maybe 20 feet.
Earlier, before any training, he had our dog sniff around the snake handling pole, with tongs on the end where he would lift the snakes. She seemed
naturally to sniff the ends. Toward the end of the training he asked me to lead her toward the tongs - she got within ten feet and pulled away. No
snake - just the scent remaining on the tongs.
We will take her back within the next few days (ten days after the lesson) for him to evaluate her and her reaction.
Some say this needs to be reinforced every couple of years.
The dog was what my wife called "back to normal" withing 15 minutes.
John M
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John, do you think we could pay the handler to put a shocker on Hondo and try to train him too? Although I'd suggest a different location for the
collar than the neck... but come to think of it, no need for training.
Some things you just cannot get a rattlesnake to do. 
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