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Bajaboy
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crazy rain in Northern Baja
Yesterday in Spring Valley, we received a record 1.7 inches of rain. How far into Baja did the rain reach?
Sure seems like our weather patterns are changing despite what some might say about a palm tree
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David K
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Weather always changes... climates do too but over longer time periods.
The palm tree photos over the past 60 years are proof that the sea level has not changed in any of our lifetimes any amount that should cause the
panic that some love to have.
A wet year followed by several dry years is NORMAL in this region of the world. The English wheat farming colony (Old Mill) at San Quintin was
developed during a wet period and when multiple (normal) dry years followed, their colony (which did not have irrigation) failed.
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | Weather always changes... climates do too but over longer time periods.
The palm tree photos over the past 60 years are proof that the sea level has not changed in any of our lifetimes any amount that should cause the
panic that some love to have.
A wet year followed by several dry years is NORMAL in this region of the world. The English wheat farming colony (Old Mill) at San Quintin was
developed during a wet period and when multiple (normal) dry years followed, their colony (which did not have irrigation) failed.
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Your willfull ignorance is amusing! Thank you for providing our morning funnies!
I got 2" of precip. My yard likes it.
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David K
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Facts are facts.
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carlosg
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Growing up in Tecate I learned (heard it) from the old ranchers that a dry spell of seven years was followed by a seven year wet spell, it may not
make much scientific sense but it sure made (and still does today) make common sense... who knows... I'm no scientist... I only live here...
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Let's see, 10,000 yrs ago we had glaciers from the North Pole to Arkansas and 40 or so years ago "scientists" were predicting another "Ice Age"
Follow the money
Prognostications over questionable data collected (by even the guy who collected it) over too short a period of astronomic time lead to, at best,
wildly exaggerated future consequences of such "bent" data.
I've got my "Mae West" waiting for the rising sea levels to come :-)
It's been sitting there for 18 years but nothing has happened in that time frame.
We aren't even near the wind and solar power scams discussion yet-
but that's for another time and place.
Soap box put away for now - sorry for the drift.
You chose your position in life today by what YOU did yesterday
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We were in Southern Baja in the early 70s and picked up a hick-hiker. The person said they owned a cattle ranch out in the desert. It had not rained
at his ranch for 8 years. He said that if it did not rain that year, he would have to sell all of his cattle. He made it sound like this was not the
first time it had happened.
If you ask the locals in Southern Baja their thoughts on hurricanes, they like them. This is where they get their rain. The positive affects of the
rain offset the negative affects of the wind.
Right now the whole West Coast is in a wet period. The only sure thing is that it will be followed by a dry period.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Weather always changes... climates do too but over longer time periods.
The palm tree photos over the past 60 years are proof that the sea level has not changed in any of our lifetimes any amount that should cause the
panic that some love to have.
A wet year followed by several dry years is NORMAL in this region of the world. The English wheat farming colony (Old Mill) at San Quintin was
developed during a wet period and when multiple (normal) dry years followed, their colony (which did not have irrigation) failed.
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David, please.
Do you think anyone can reasonably draw a scientific conclusion that sea levels have not changed based on the photos you keep referencing?
For starters, we don't know whether the initial photos were taken at high tide, and the last photos taken at low tide, vice versa, or anywhere in
between, so how high up on the beach the water reaches is not very informative.
I assume that you are a flat earther, too?
[Edited to insert a missing "are" in last sentence.]
[Edited on 5-8-2017 by BigBearRider]
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Forget it BigBearRider, he's not going to change his mind and yes he thinks the palm tree at Playa Coyote disproves the oceans are rising.
As far as the rain in the border region is concerned, I love it. It cleans things off, including the atmosphere which can get pretty thick in the San
Diego/TJ area, waters the plants, and adds to the reservoirs. This weekend's storm was pretty unusual.
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Morning funnies is right! Here we go again..... and if ever there was a thread to break the 50K (or is that '50 DK') mark, this is it.... unless of
course there are several deletions due to self-repetition. 
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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There was snow yesterday in the Sierra de Juarez. Starting at the 5,000' level, but not "sticking." With temps around 37F., it melted before
accumulating. Probably lasted a while longer at Laguna Hanson, 1,000' higher in elevation.
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Some residents of Lake Tahoe dove down to about 100 feet off the shore of the lake and took pictures of large tree stumps down there. So the lake was
at least 100 lower when those trees grew and they look like they were several hundred years old. What caused that? Nobody wants to talk about it
because it violates the current religion -- "science" ---that man caused all the current "climate change."
Those dudes also don't want to talk about The Great Lakes which were dug by glaciers in the last ice age. The glaciers melted and filled up the
lakes. So what made them melt?......you wanna bet it wasn't Cave Men (and Women) BBQing Mastadons?
BB
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That system wrapped around SoCal and came into the north/central Sierras from the east, dropping about seven inches of snow.
The precipitation for this area is about double the average. Notice I did not say normal, because both drought, and floods are normal!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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We had thunder in LA yesterday for like the 5th time in 20 years.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Weather always changes... climates do too but over longer time periods.
The palm tree photos over the past 60 years are proof that the sea level has not changed in any of our lifetimes any amount that should cause the
panic that some love to have.
A wet year followed by several dry years is NORMAL in this region of the world. The English wheat farming colony (Old Mill) at San Quintin was
developed during a wet period and when multiple (normal) dry years followed, their colony (which did not have irrigation) failed.
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You might have a hard time convincing people in places like Bangladesh and Kiribati, who have already been
displaced by rising sea levels. The folks that actually measure such things also disagree.
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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| Quote: Originally posted by bonanza bucko | Some residents of Lake Tahoe dove down to about 100 feet off the shore of the lake and took pictures of large tree stumps down there. So the lake was
at least 100 lower when those trees grew and they look like they were several hundred years old. What caused that? Nobody wants to talk about it
because it violates the current religion -- "science" ---that man caused all the current "climate change."
BB |
Dick Cheney`s and Donald Trump`s ancestors?
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monoloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by bonanza bucko | Some residents of Lake Tahoe dove down to about 100 feet off the shore of the lake and took pictures of large tree stumps down there. So the lake was
at least 100 lower when those trees grew and they look like they were several hundred years old. What caused that? Nobody wants to talk about it
because it violates the current religion -- "science" ---that man caused all the current "climate change."
Those dudes also don't want to talk about The Great Lakes which were dug by glaciers in the last ice age. The glaciers melted and filled up the
lakes. So what made them melt?......you wanna bet it wasn't Cave Men (and Women) BBQing Mastadons?
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I don't know anything about the geology of Lake Tahoe, but given the seismic activity in California, do
you suppose that there could possibly have been some sort of subsidence event that could explain the tree trunks?
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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serious soaking in puerto nuevo area....and COLD!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by monoloco | | Quote: Originally posted by bonanza bucko | Some residents of Lake Tahoe dove down to about 100 feet off the shore of the lake and took pictures of large tree stumps down there. So the lake was
at least 100 lower when those trees grew and they look like they were several hundred years old. What caused that? Nobody wants to talk about it
because it violates the current religion -- "science" ---that man caused all the current "climate change."
Those dudes also don't want to talk about The Great Lakes which were dug by glaciers in the last ice age. The glaciers melted and filled up the
lakes. So what made them melt?......you wanna bet it wasn't Cave Men (and Women) BBQing Mastadons?
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I don't know anything about the geology of Lake Tahoe, but given the seismic activity in California, do
you suppose that there could possibly have been some sort of subsidence event that could explain the tree trunks? |
Trees submerged in lake tahoe are known to have grown during a mega drought, they have been dated.
The mega droughts from the middle ages are pretty much irrelevant to current global warming caused by man
[Edited on 5-8-2017 by mtgoat666]
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by monoloco | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | Weather always changes... climates do too but over longer time periods.
The palm tree photos over the past 60 years are proof that the sea level has not changed in any of our lifetimes any amount that should cause the
panic that some love to have.
A wet year followed by several dry years is NORMAL in this region of the world. The English wheat farming colony (Old Mill) at San Quintin was
developed during a wet period and when multiple (normal) dry years followed, their colony (which did not have irrigation) failed.
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You might have a hard time convincing people in places like Bangladesh and Kiribati, who have already been
displaced by rising sea levels. The folks that actually measure such things also disagree.
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html |
Because some lands are compressing (lowering) does not mean the sea is higher.
I can still drive on a salt flat that is inches above typical high tide and gets flooded at extreme high tides, as I have for nearly 40 years.
Why is this salt flat still only flooded at extreme high tides and not every high tide or underwater all the time?
Look around Baja... the salt flats (that became salt flats from natural high tides) are still above the sea most of the year... and not underwater.
When Scammon's and San Ignacio (and all other) lagoons are twice the size from covering the vast salt flats that extend inland from them your
statement will be proven. On a closer observation, the streets along the beaches in California are still just as far above high tide as they were in
the 1940s when built. The bottom of piers over the ocean still have as much air between them and the average sea level, and the breakwaters at our
harbors are still above the sea to block waves. Boat launch ramps are still functioning after being built in the 1950s.
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