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BajaTed
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Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  | | Here's another 'etiquette' rule of thumb I noticed on the Crossover Road thread.... when you come face to face on a narrow grade with another vehicle,
who backs up? I've always heard the downhill traffic has the right-of-way as a rule, the uphill headed vehicle must back up... depending on who's
hauling what. Convenience and COMMON COURTESY rules the roost to me. |
Wow, I was always told uphill traffic has the right of way due to clutching a load going uphill after stopping don't always turn out right. The truck
headed uphill not having to stop is the goal of the situation.
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed | | Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha | | Here's another 'etiquette' rule of thumb I noticed on the Crossover Road thread.... when you come face to face on a narrow grade with another vehicle,
who backs up? I've always heard the downhill traffic has the right-of-way as a rule, the uphill headed vehicle must back up... depending on who's
hauling what. Convenience and COMMON COURTESY rules the roost to me. |
Wow, I was always told uphill traffic has the right of way due to clutching a load going uphill after stopping don't always turn out right. The truck
headed uphill not having to stop is the goal of the situation. |
Hmmm, interesting. To me the common sense is, it's easier to back up downhill than uphill, especially with a load on. However, again the common
sense applies to who has the easier ability to back up due to load and convenience of terrain. Interesting debatable situations, que no?
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"When 2 vehicles meet on a steep road where neither vehicle can pass, the vehicle facing downhill must yield the right-of-way by backing up until the
vehicle going uphill can pass. The vehicle facing downhill has the greater amount of control when backing up the hill."
The above is from California Driver's handbook DMV. This is what I remember being taught. Think trying to back down a hill where the road drops off
out of sight.
In reality, the closer one to a wide spot should consider backing.
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Correct, but it caused a lot of issues when the two drivers do not get together and decide which was is the safest one to back up. Trail etiquette
requires both drivers to participate.
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I stand corrected. Thanks, Jefe.
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Actually, Jefe is equivocado y buddah is correctamundo. This fall my neighbor in remote Calif. was going up a muddy road to his house when he saw a
jacked pickup barreling toward him. He stopped. The truck ran into him. Law actually sez uphill traffic yields. Result: his insurance co. had to
pay. He was a little upset. Go figure!
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I would like to add my 2C to the speed bump discussion. For many reasons they are a bad idea. Not the least of which is the very real possibility of
damage to emergency vehicles. Not only damage but a significant reduction of response time. Emergency vehicles, especially fire trucks are VERY
heavy and have to slow to a crawl to avoid suspension and axel damage. In the 90's Berkeley installed a bunch of s-bumps. Most of them were removed
shortly thereafter Due to slow response times. There are other problems with them but I don't want to bore you.
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha | | Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed | | Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha | | Here's another 'etiquette' rule of thumb I noticed on the Crossover Road thread.... when you come face to face on a narrow grade with another vehicle,
who backs up? I've always heard the downhill traffic has the right-of-way as a rule, the uphill headed vehicle must back up... depending on who's
hauling what. Convenience and COMMON COURTESY rules the roost to me. |
Wow, I was always told uphill traffic has the right of way due to clutching a load going uphill after stopping don't always turn out right. The truck
headed uphill not having to stop is the goal of the situation. |
Hmmm, interesting. To me the common sense is, it's easier to back up downhill than uphill, especially with a load on. However, again the common
sense applies to who has the easier ability to back up due to load and convenience of terrain. Interesting debatable situations, que no?
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The logic that I read is that it is safer to reverse up the hill. One good reason is that drum brakes have poor stopping power in reverse.
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weebray
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Actually, if you think about it, it is much easier for the uphill traffic to back down. There are any number of scenarios where a rear wheel vehicle,
going downhill, physically could not back up. Additionally, in California anyway, it's the law.
[Edited on 5-27-2017 by weebray]
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| Quote: Originally posted by weebray | | Actually, Jefe is equivocado y buddah is correctamundo. This fall my neighbor in remote Calif. was going up a muddy road to his house when he saw a
jacked pickup barreling toward him. He stopped. The truck ran into him. Law actually sez uphill traffic yields. Result: his insurance co. had to
pay. He was a little upset. Go figure! |
No you are equivocado and Jefe is right. Google is your friend
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| Quote: Originally posted by weebray | | I would like to add my 2C to the speed bump discussion. For many reasons they are a bad idea. Not the least of which is the very real possibility of
damage to emergency vehicles. Not only damage but a significant reduction of response time. Emergency vehicles, especially fire trucks are VERY
heavy and have to slow to a crawl to avoid suspension and axel damage. In the 90's Berkeley installed a bunch of s-bumps. Most of them were removed
shortly thereafter Due to slow response times. There are other problems with them but I don't want to bore you. |
And the emergency response times would be even shorter if we all lived in hospitals!
I'm not really aware of their being any prompt emergency services in baja, so slowing of nonexistent fire trucks by speed bumps in baja seems to be a
silly argument against speed bumps.
Sometimes quality of life and pedestrian safety in a neighborhood are more important than a minute or 2 of emergency response time.
If you are worried about ER response time, you should move to an apt or house next to the fire station, eh?
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| Quote: Originally posted by PaulW | Correct, but it caused a lot of issues when the two drivers do not get together and decide which was is the safest one to back up. Trail etiquette
requires both drivers to participate.
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I have found most passer-bys on remote dirt roads to be pretty polite, and logical solution often arrived at wordlessly with just a friendly wave of
one letting the other go first.
The only problems I have found is meeting knuckle draggers that are using remote roads as A race course, and the faster they drive the bigger jerks
they are. These same people rarely slow to avoid dust storms as they pass pedestrians, houses, cars, etc.
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | Quote: Originally posted by weebray | | Actually, Jefe is equivocado y buddah is correctamundo. This fall my neighbor in remote Calif. was going up a muddy road to his house when he saw a
jacked pickup barreling toward him. He stopped. The truck ran into him. Law actually sez uphill traffic yields. Result: his insurance co. had to
pay. He was a little upset. Go figure! |
How strange, in view of El Jefe's quote from the DMV manual. You happen to have any reference to the actual law involved in that case?  |
They probably paid due to reckless driving, not the uphill urban legend thing
Again the goal is to not to have any one stop, the downhill truck is responsible for a safe PASS, his speed can be modulated easier.
Imagine every one coming to a stop on a level road when passing.
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My decades on the East Cape driving into town and back always dictated crawling through the shotgun roads villages, to prevent dust for the
inhabitants.
That went for meeting other vehicles on the coast road, where I would slow to a crawl when passing other vehicles as a sign of mutual respect and not
dusting them.
It was always appreciated, whether it was locals or not. The personal cost was minimal in the end and the respect for others was a reward onto itself.
This should be something we all should observe when bumping along a washboard road. We are all in the same boat. after all, when off the pavement.
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Not sure what the DMV sez. don't care either. I DO know that my friend was run into by a truck coming down hill too fast on a one lane road with no
shoulder. (read no possible place to pass) He stopped and the truck skidded into him. Police were miles/hours away. They both drove away. The
insurance companies involved named him as responsible party and his insurance co. had to pay. He was livid. I know that road very well and there is
absolutely no way an unloaded two wheel p/u could back up that hill - sorry ain't happening. Yu guys can bat this ping pong ball all you want, all I
can do is report what I know. I don't have a pony in this race.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by PaulW | Correct, but it caused a lot of issues when the two drivers do not get together and decide which was is the safest one to back up. Trail etiquette
requires both drivers to participate.
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I have found most passer-bys on remote dirt roads to be pretty polite, and logical solution often arrived at wordlessly with just a friendly wave of
one letting the other go first.
The only problems I have found is meeting knuckle draggers that are using remote roads as A race course, and the faster they drive the bigger jerks
they are. These same people rarely slow to avoid dust storms as they pass pedestrians, houses, cars, etc.
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Lets see now the only Knuckle dragger form San Diego is you looser Mt66. You where offered 10 grand cash
to show us what a Man you are. You declined little sissy so anything you post is pure BS. Your the whip blow hard the offer still good 10 grand. Dont
hide behind under the table get out ride a dirt bike . Baja is not the place for looser from San Diego stay home. Dirt bikes are respectable smart
people,would be the first to help a looser like you. That is not smart enough to drive on a dirt road.
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by PaulW | Correct, but it caused a lot of issues when the two drivers do not get together and decide which was is the safest one to back up. Trail etiquette
requires both drivers to participate.
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I have found most passer-bys on remote dirt roads to be pretty polite, and logical solution often arrived at wordlessly with just a friendly wave of
one letting the other go first.
The only problems I have found is meeting knuckle draggers that are using remote roads as A race course, and the faster they drive the bigger jerks
they are. These same people rarely slow to avoid dust storms as they pass pedestrians, houses, cars, etc.
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Lets see now the only Knuckle dragger form San Diego is you looser Mt66. You where offered 10 grand cash
to show us what a Man you are. You declined little sissy so anything you post is pure BS. Your the whip blow hard the offer still good 10 grand. Dont
hide behind under the table get out ride a dirt bike . Baja is not the place for looser from San Diego stay home. Dirt bikes are respectable smart
people,would be the first to help a looser like you. That is not smart enough to drive on a dirt road. |
so where is the money? I told you to show me the money, put it in a reliable "escrow," and I will come down to kick your wimpy a$$ 
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider | | ...... Dirt bikes are respectable smart people,would be the first to help a looser like you. That is not smart enough to drive on a dirt road.
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If your spelling and grammar were a bit more together, you might have a point.....however....
Goat attacks us off-roaders and calls us knuckledraggers....as I know that is sometimes true, I don't get into that battle with him.
And as I know I am not one, I don't take offense.
Don't believe everything you think....
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Good topic. Either you are empathetic to locals, pedestrians, environment, other drivers, or you are not. I don't like having dust and glory kicked
into my face so I don't do that to others. Vigilant pacifism.
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bajatrailrider
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | | Quote: Originally posted by PaulW | Correct, but it caused a lot of issues when the two drivers do not get together and decide which was is the safest one to back up. Trail etiquette
requires both drivers to participate.
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I have found most passer-bys on remote dirt roads to be pretty polite, and logical solution often arrived at wordlessly with just a friendly wave of
one letting the other go first.
The only problems I have found is meeting knuckle draggers that are using remote roads as A race course, and the faster they drive the bigger jerks
they are. These same people rarely slow to avoid dust storms as they pass pedestrians, houses, cars, etc.
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Lets see now the only Knuckle dragger form San Diego is you looser Mt66. You where offered 10 grand cash
to show us what a Man you are. You declined little sissy so anything you post is pure BS. Your the whip blow hard the offer still good 10 grand. Dont
hide behind under the table get out ride a dirt bike . Baja is not the place for looser from San Diego stay home. Dirt bikes are respectable smart
people,would be the first to help a looser like you. That is not smart enough to drive on a dirt road. |
so where is the money? I told you to show me the money, put it in a reliable "escrow," and I will come down to kick your wimpy a$$ |
When
you backed out of 10 grand offer . You showed all on Baja Nomad your a wimp scared full of BS. Just a wrinkled up old fart that is envious of anyone
that rides a dirt bike.Poor old tourist looser I dont take offense from your brainless posts. Just one day when your on a dirt road. Stuck in the
sand because your too stupid to drive a truck. You may have us dig you out,but not before we remind you.What low life you are.
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