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Sonora Wind
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Just returned from the Cortez
We fished 12 days over the span of a month. I had not been to this area in 10 years. Last visit was 2007. I came away with the impression the Sea
is in decline. Not because we did not catch fish. We did. What I'm speaking about is a huge decline in the locals. Where I use to see several
sharks a day, I saw none. Where I use to see Thousands of Sea Lions on Esteban I saw a couple a hundred. Where I use to see hundreds of birds diving
on bait I saw them in groups of 10s and 20s. Where we stayed in Kino one day we saw 13 trawlers less than 1000 feet from shore dropping nets. I think
the Locals AKA Sharks, Sea Lions, Sea Birds, Bait have left. Not sure about this last feeling, but I think I heard a Yellowtail thank me for helping
him get out. He seemed to say the spirits of the Cortez are sad.
[Edited on 6-16-2017 by Sonora Wind]
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Well spoke, and so true...
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woody with a view
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7 billion mouths, and counting.....
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Hola Sonora Wind! Thank you for the interesting message. Things change and not always for the best. Let's hope they improve for the 'locals'!
Thank you again for taking Sarah and I on the fishing trip!
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So sad. An entire ecosystem in decline and no way to stop it. Unfortunately the rate of decay will most likely accelerate before it finally bottoms
out. God help us all..........
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The planet's health is clearly in serious decline....denial of the facts don't make them false....
Where is "God" in this equation?
I think "wishing/hoping/praying" for change is less effective than actually doing something about it....person by person...we are ALL responsible.
Don't believe everything you think....
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David K
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Quote: Originally posted by motoged  | The planet's health is clearly in serious decline....denial of the facts don't make them false....
Where is "God" in this equation?
I think "wishing/hoping/praying" for change is less effective than actually doing something about it....person by person...we are ALL responsible.
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What about the change 65 million years ago?
What about countless other mass extinctions since life began on earth? Maybe all of that, including the change right now, is all part of His (or
Mother Earth's) plan?
To think this planet is only for man's use and the planet can't change because man doesn't adapt is kind of silly, isn't it?
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Oh gawd, does anyone really think there is heaven/hell after this dimension? The ten (15?) commandments are just a bunch of campfire stories told for
millenia. Great tenets for sure, but handed down from a god?
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Certainly the current decrease in sea life in the Sea of Cortez is due to overfishing. I don't know the extent of damage due to sewage and other
pollutants entering the sea around metro areas but it must also be degrading sea life.
[Edited on 6-16-2017 by SFandH]
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Started out as an interesting thread, but here it goes again.... 
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | ....
To think this planet is only for man's use and the planet can't change because man doesn't adapt is kind of silly, isn't it? |
David,
No one said that except you....
I get it that you won't accept the fact that humans are in a relationship with the planet that is harmful due to the myopic views that that some, such
as you, hold. Such short-sightedness only contributes to such a decline in the planet's well-being.
Silly????
Get a grip.
Don't believe everything you think....
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SFandH
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Just read something interesting.
"For every pound of shrimp caught in the Sea of Cortez, nearly 10 pounds of other marine life dies."
http://www.utdallas.edu/~rnix/MAT-SE_Units/gulf_cal.pdf
Think about that the next time you have a shrimp dinner in Baja.
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It is amazing how huge a difference one person can make. I see it with the plastic we generate at our house and we are trying to diminish this impact
by using bigger containers rather than individual ones, repurposing whenever possible, and sending all our food waste to local pig farms -so the mix
of plastic - food - metal does not further harm our world.
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It didn't start out as a good thread. It started out as yet another dude romancing about how things use to be back in the day and how they are crappy
now.
Try going more than once every 10 years. Some trips I see a ton of dolphins, some times I don't. Doesn't mean the world is crumbling.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by motoged | The planet's health is clearly in serious decline....denial of the facts don't make them false....
Where is "God" in this equation?
I think "wishing/hoping/praying" for change is less effective than actually doing something about it....person by person...we are ALL responsible.
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What about the change 65 million years ago?
What about countless other mass extinctions since life began on earth? Maybe all of that, including the change right now, is all part of His (or
Mother Earth's) plan?
To think this planet is only for man's use and the planet can't change because man doesn't adapt is kind of silly, isn't it? |
I was not there 65 million years ago. I was not there for other mass extinctions. Maybe his plan is for you to be a guardian of the Earth and not
an abuser.
I am here and now. I believe it is my duty, and yours to see that we do not abuse where we live. That we do not cause extinctions through our
actions. And that we do what we can to curb our harmful actions....to do otherwise is kinda silly isn't it? (and that is whether you believe in God,
Ged, or Santa Clause).
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
It didn't start out as a good thread. It started out as yet another dude romancing about how things use to be back in the day and how they are crappy
now.
Try going more than once every 10 years. Some trips I see a ton of dolphins, some times I don't. Doesn't mean the world is crumbling.
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Jizzy, I can't wait to grow up and be as smart as you.
Then again, you'll be surprised how much I learn in the next few years. 
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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I think it would be helpful if families would have less kids. Less mouths to feed. How many billion will it be before there is not enough food. Some
are already starving.
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by motoged | The planet's health is clearly in serious decline....denial of the facts don't make them false....
Where is "God" in this equation?
I think "wishing/hoping/praying" for change is less effective than actually doing something about it....person by person...we are ALL responsible.
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What about the change 65 million years ago?
What about countless other mass extinctions since life began on earth? Maybe all of that, including the change right now, is all part of His (or
Mother Earth's) plan?
To think this planet is only for man's use and the planet can't change because man doesn't adapt is kind of silly, isn't it? |
Only a fool would think we should pollute this world and decimate it's species, and justify it as OK because god wouldn't let us do so if it was not
meant to be.
There is no god.
There is no afterlife.
This is the only world and only life we got.
If you flock it up, then you flocked up your home.
Man is populous, and using tools to extract increasingly massive amounts of natural resources and spew massive amounts of waste byproduct and
pollution.
The world is changing due to man's activities.
Like I said, if you flock up the earth, then you flocked up your home!
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by motoged | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | ....
To think this planet is only for man's use and the planet can't change because man doesn't adapt is kind of silly, isn't it? |
David,
No one said that except you....
I get it that you won't accept the fact that humans are in a relationship with the planet that is harmful due to the myopic views that that some, such
as you, hold. Such short-sightedness only contributes to such a decline in the planet's well-being.
Silly????
Get a grip. |
Please stop assuming you know me... at least until we have a beer together, eh?
Quite the opposite is true from your reply. I am totally 'one with the idea' that humans are a part of this planet, a natural part. So many think man
is an alien species and his actions are all counter to the natural order.
So many billions live in countries that are free to pollute while our two nations strive to be cleaner and cleaner even though we produce the majority
of so many products and food for the world. |
Are you insinuating that we should all conform to the lowest common denominator? As a "natural" part of this planet...we should take care of it.
You do not have a bowel movement in your living room just because bowel movements are natural, do you?
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SFandH
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The decrease in the marine life in the Sea of Cortez, which is what this thread is about, is certainly not natural, it's artificial, man-made, largely
due to greed and corruption.
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