BajaNomad
Not logged in [Login - Register]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
 Pages:  1    3    5
Author: Subject: Baja California Almanac
Gscott
Junior Nomad
*




Posts: 32
Registered: 1-23-2017
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 7-1-2017 at 08:14 PM
What about the ITMB Baja map?


I haven't heard opinions on the ITMB map. So? I can get this map and the Nat'l Geo map pack, I have copies of the AAA map, but I can't get an Almanac for a reasonable price.

The AAA maps don't have much detail for exploring. Which is better, the NG or the ITMB?

Any chance anyone will print the almanac again? I guess there is no point waiting for the people at baja-almanac.com.
View user's profile
TMW
Select Nomad
*******




Posts: 8740
Registered: 9-1-2003
Location: Bakersfield, CA
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 7-2-2017 at 07:42 AM


Refresh my memory, what is a ITMB map?

As to the almanac the copyright owner is dead. I think David K and M&E Books should buy the rights and publish new copies. Maybe BajaBound would be interested. Either way David K could update the almanac in the areas where there are mistakes.
View user's profile
Franco
Junior Nomad
*




Posts: 46
Registered: 6-12-2017
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 7-2-2017 at 08:55 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Gscott  
I haven't heard opinions on the ITMB map. So? I can get this map and the Nat'l Geo map pack, I have copies of the AAA map, but I can't get an Almanac for a reasonable price.

The AAA maps don't have much detail for exploring. Which is better, the NG or the ITMB?

Any chance anyone will print the almanac again? I guess there is no point waiting for the people at baja-almanac.com.


ITMB provides detail for a few of the dirt roads. Provides information for two wheel off roading. 4X4 off road in the Baja is best using a GPS.





View user's profile
David K
Honored Nomad
*********


Avatar


Posts: 51254
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline

Mood: Have Baja Fever

[*] posted on 7-2-2017 at 09:29 AM


Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
Refresh my memory, what is a ITMB map?

As to the almanac the copyright owner is dead. I think David K and M&E Books should buy the rights and publish new copies. Maybe BajaBound would be interested. Either way David K could update the almanac in the areas where there are mistakes.


ITMB is (was?) made in Vancouver, Canada. A folding map of the peninsula. The first edition was great (1989); It had topographic contour lines and mileages on major roads. Many location details were printed on the map around the peninsula (albeit in tiny text). I had mine laminated and made it a wall map.

Newer editions were terrible (in my opinion). The roads were not correctly shown, names were wrong, etc. Useless. The first Baja Almanac appeared after that ITMB map and that was it for providing easy to use, topo-road maps. It had replaced the huge (but super detailed) Baja Topo Atlas of the late 80s and early 90s.

Here is the cover of the folding map first edition... lamination reflects light during scanning, it is darker in reality:



As for the Baja Almanac revision... I am onboard for that and efforts are being made to make that possible. It would be a huge service to the Baja traveler, so if not me, I hope someone... anyone, can keep it alive!


I just scanned part of the ITMB 1989 map:



[Edited on 7-2-2017 by David K]




"So Much Baja, So Little Time..."

A NEW Baja Missions History book in 2016: http://oldmissions.com

My (over 40) Baja Bound Travel Adventure articles: https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/

My Baja web site, to help you plan your adventure: http://VivaBaja.com

View user's profile Visit user's homepage
Marc
Ultra Nomad
*****


Avatar


Posts: 2231
Registered: 5-15-2010
Location: San Francisco & Palm Springs
Member Is Offline

Mood: Waiting

[*] posted on 7-2-2017 at 09:58 AM


I have the ITMP second edition. Totally worn out and held together with tape. IMHO the best map of the peninsula.
View user's profile
basautter
Senior Nomad
***




Posts: 523
Registered: 7-1-2013
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 7-2-2017 at 05:02 PM


I like the e32 map mentioned above, or the AAA Baja map. I have the Baja Almanac, and like it the best, but the other two work fine. I would not pay $100.00 for the BA. $50.00 maybe...
View user's profile
pacificobob
Nomad
**




Posts: 449
Registered: 4-23-2006
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 7-2-2017 at 05:07 PM


I'll be willing bet 90% of maps made in the last 20 years are plagiarized to some degree from various digital sources. I'm no cartographer, just guessing. i have been in parts of Chihuahua and Durango where i can guarantee the map maker(in this case guia rojo) was never there. villages in the wrong area ect.
View user's profile
Gscott
Junior Nomad
*




Posts: 32
Registered: 1-23-2017
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 7-2-2017 at 06:09 PM


Thanks for the reviews. Once again it looks like I'm searching for used and out of print resources..

I'll get the Nat Geo map pack for now. I do hope new editions of the almanac become available again, it's just crazy to think there may not be an atlas for this area...
View user's profile
TMW
Select Nomad
*******




Posts: 8740
Registered: 9-1-2003
Location: Bakersfield, CA
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 7-2-2017 at 06:30 PM


If you are looking at a specific area use Google Earth. If the area on GE is dated before Nov 2014 it may not be correct.
View user's profile
Alm
Super Nomad
****




Posts: 1489
Registered: 5-10-2011
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 7-3-2017 at 10:31 PM


Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
This is why I no longer recommend maps. They are grossly out of date. A good GPS and and associated baja is far better and easier to keep up to date.

x2. Especially if you drive same rout year after year :)

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  

The 2003 version is scanner friendly due to the 8.5x11 format. It is 126 pages.

62 pages, including few index text pages, in mine. Never crossed my mind that people are still buying it, will put mine on Ebay when have time.
View user's profile
David K
Honored Nomad
*********


Avatar


Posts: 51254
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline

Mood: Have Baja Fever

[*] posted on 7-3-2017 at 10:37 PM


I think the desire for an Almanac-type map is for the backcountry and not so much for those looking for a gas station or Hwy. 1 mileages?

Looking at a real map, on paper seems so much more gratifying than staring at a glowing screen to some of us.

This kind of 'explorable area':





"So Much Baja, So Little Time..."

A NEW Baja Missions History book in 2016: http://oldmissions.com

My (over 40) Baja Bound Travel Adventure articles: https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/

My Baja web site, to help you plan your adventure: http://VivaBaja.com

View user's profile Visit user's homepage
Alm
Super Nomad
****




Posts: 1489
Registered: 5-10-2011
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 7-4-2017 at 12:32 AM


It's nice to hold printed map in hands, nice colors, yellow-brown terrain, blue sea. PC screen is less strain on my old eyes, slight touch of the scroll wheel zooms it up or makes fonts bigger.

Actually I don't have a GPS in my car except for a very old handlheld that I rarely use. Those 7" GPS that I've seen weren't too bad. "Glowing" back-lighted screen makes it easier to read, better colors and contrast than a printed map.
View user's profile
chrishaynesusa
Junior Nomad
*




Posts: 31
Registered: 8-19-2017
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 9-17-2017 at 04:53 PM


Just as a progress report and to confirm I do use the search function :)

I found a copy of the Baja Almanac(s) Norte & Sur on eBay, where I won the bid at about 50$ each.
Given the amount of note taking room on each page and the level of detail it is my favorite so far.
And I am contemplating making copies of them.
All others found on book search engines are in the 200-1200 dollar range(which is ludicrous)

I also have the AAA baja map Copright 2003/4
and bought within the last month the National Geographic Norte/Sur dual map pack(copyright 2008 on Amazon).

I cant tell you how many dead / deleted / domain gone links I have found in this search.
View user's profile
David K
Honored Nomad
*********


Avatar


Posts: 51254
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline

Mood: Have Baja Fever

[*] posted on 9-17-2017 at 05:12 PM


Good job.

The Norte/ Sur double book Almanac is from about 1997 or 1998. Landon did not date the edition. I bought them in 1999 or 2000, I think? They are 8.5" × 11".

In 2003, Landon combined them into one book and enhanced the maps into full color topography.

In 2009, he created a larger map book in page size, but the scale is smaller.




"So Much Baja, So Little Time..."

A NEW Baja Missions History book in 2016: http://oldmissions.com

My (over 40) Baja Bound Travel Adventure articles: https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/

My Baja web site, to help you plan your adventure: http://VivaBaja.com

View user's profile Visit user's homepage
PaulW
Super Nomad
****




Posts: 1036
Registered: 5-21-2013
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 9-18-2017 at 07:40 AM


So what to do. I have all the maps discussed. I have a GPS with Murdock maps.
Now I am working on the tablet method. I like the ease of use and large clear viewing screen. Trouble is Baja maps for a tablet (phone) have not been found. Has anyone got any map suggestions other than the unacceptable Earthmate map?
View user's profile
David K
Honored Nomad
*********


Avatar


Posts: 51254
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline

Mood: Have Baja Fever

[*] posted on 9-18-2017 at 07:54 AM


What about LB Maps?

http://www.lbmaps.com/lb_baja.htm

[Edited on 9-18-2017 by David K]




"So Much Baja, So Little Time..."

A NEW Baja Missions History book in 2016: http://oldmissions.com

My (over 40) Baja Bound Travel Adventure articles: https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/

My Baja web site, to help you plan your adventure: http://VivaBaja.com

View user's profile Visit user's homepage
PaulW
Super Nomad
****




Posts: 1036
Registered: 5-21-2013
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 9-18-2017 at 04:16 PM


For the GPS yes. Not for the tablet/phone.
View user's profile
David K
Honored Nomad
*********


Avatar


Posts: 51254
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline

Mood: Have Baja Fever

[*] posted on 9-18-2017 at 04:32 PM


Well, keep working on decoding the INEGI site so we can use the color topo maps like Landon did.



"So Much Baja, So Little Time..."

A NEW Baja Missions History book in 2016: http://oldmissions.com

My (over 40) Baja Bound Travel Adventure articles: https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/

My Baja web site, to help you plan your adventure: http://VivaBaja.com

View user's profile Visit user's homepage
Gscott
Junior Nomad
*




Posts: 32
Registered: 1-23-2017
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 9-19-2017 at 07:49 AM


Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
For the GPS yes. Not for the tablet/phone.


What tablet? Android? Any Garmin .img should open in Oruxmap on Android.

Of course there is Open Street Map. There are tiles for the whole world, not huge detail in the Baja maps yet. But you can help build the dataset!
http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/


[Edited on 9-19-2017 by Gscott]
View user's profile
PaulW
Super Nomad
****




Posts: 1036
Registered: 5-21-2013
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 9-19-2017 at 07:47 PM


There are many posts on the web for people looking for a Baja background map for the Earthmate tool we use with InReach. Anyway so far nobody has come up with a map suggestion. People asking about the map are bikers, surfers, whale watchers, and off road drivers like us.
Earthmate works on IPhone & Andriod devices
Yes, there are plenty of maps that work on those platforms, but all suck for Baja and are useless unless they are compatible for Earthmate download.
Life is way to short to become a digital mapping guy.
View user's profile
 Pages:  1    3    5

  Go To Top


For high speed satellite internet in Baja call +1.6197170810 - or click here to email sistemassatelitales@hotmail.com



Tijuana Walking Tours - on Meetup.com


 






All Content Copyright 1997- Q87 International; All Rights Reserved.
Powered by XMB; XMB Forum Software © 2001-2014 The XMB Group






"If it were lush and rich, one could understand the pull, but it is fierce and hostile and sullen. The stone mountains pile up to the sky and there is little fresh water. But we know we must go back if we live, and we don't know why." - Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez

"People don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care." - Ivan R. Misner, Ph.D

"You can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those who they think can do nothing for them or to them." - Malcolm Forbes

"Let others lead small lives, but not you. Let others argue over small things, but not you. Let others cry over small hurts, but not you. Let others leave their future in someone else's hands, but not you." - Jim Rohn







Thank you to Baja Bound Mexico Insurance Services for your long-term support of the BajaNomad.com Forums site.







Emergency Baja Contacts Include:

Desert Hawks; El Rosario-based ambulance transport; Emergency #: (616) 103-0262