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[*] posted on 10-20-2017 at 06:35 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Goat, he is selling copies of an expired and replaced edition... actually two editions past.

The 1997-ish Norte and Sur editions were replaced with a full color, all in one book, edition, in 2003.

That one was replaced by a totally re-sized 2009 edition... the FINAL edition by Landon Crumpton.

Not saying it is okay to copy 20-year-old books, but if the author/publisher has replaced it (twice) with newer editions and has not sold the 20-year-old one since it went out of print, maybe in 2001... it could be more of a compliment to his old work that it is still in such demand.

Keep in mind also that Lando did not 'draw' these maps... they are from the government. His efforts were to copy them and put them into book form along with adding some names and mileages, etc. to make them 'his' maps.

Chris could add some notation, update, or correction and those maps then become his... just like Landon did.



[Edited on 10-21-2017 by David K]


David, I think you are giving bad advice. The following gives a basic outline of length of copyrights. While the individual is gone, Baja Almanac Publishers is an active Nevada Corp. according to a Nevada state website. Whoever controls that corp. still holds the copyrights and can enforce them. I want to be clear that I am not a lawyer and am not offering legal advice. Doing so can come back to bite one in the tush.

"How Long Does Copyright Protection Last? (FAQ) | U.S. Copyright Office
https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html
The term of copyright for a particular work depends on several factors, including whether it has been published, and, if so, the date of first publication. As a general rule, for works created after January 1, 1978, copyright protection lasts for the life of the author plus an additional 70 years."
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[*] posted on 10-20-2017 at 07:02 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Goat, he is selling copies of an expired and replaced edition... actually two editions past.

The 1997-ish Norte and Sur editions were replaced with a full color, all in one book, edition, in 2003.

That one was replaced by a totally re-sized 2009 edition... the FINAL edition by Landon Crumpton.

Not saying it is okay to copy 20-year-old books, but if the author/publisher has replaced it (twice) with newer editions and has not sold the 20-year-old one since it went out of print, maybe in 2001... it could be more of a compliment to his old work that it is still in such demand.

Keep in mind also that Lando did not 'draw' these maps... they are from the government. His efforts were to copy them and put them into book form along with adding some names and mileages, etc. to make them 'his' maps.

Chris could add some notation, update, or correction and those maps then become his... just like Landon did.



[Edited on 10-21-2017 by David K]


I Don’t think you should give up your day job to practice law....

As a “published author” (sic), perhaps you should learn about copyright. I hear that some Authors actually find the law to be useful :light::light:




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[*] posted on 10-20-2017 at 07:02 PM


I am not in the business of selling copyrighted material.

I made 6 extra sets, never to be made again.

I offered them to aficionados of Baja where I thought they would be welcomed.

Since they are not and a few here have become pedantic I will withdraw my offer.

I will still offer gas and tire repair should I meet you off the side of the highway in Baja(I may withhold my Margaritas however).

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[*] posted on 10-20-2017 at 07:06 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Goat, he is selling copies of an expired and replaced edition... actually two editions past.


Chris could add some notation, update, or correction and those maps then become his... just like Landon did.



[Edited on 10-21-2017 by David K]


Dk,
Using your logic, I can sell pirated copies of the movie Jurassic park, by making a few edits, especially since the original movie got replaced by a sequel, eh?
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[*] posted on 10-20-2017 at 07:24 PM


Quote: Originally posted by chrishaynesusa  
I am not in the business of selling copyrighted material.

I made 6 extra sets, never to be made again.

I offered them to aficionados of Baja where I thought they would be welcomed.

Since they are not and a few here have become pedantic I will withdraw my offer.

I will still offer gas and tire repair should I meet you off the side of the highway in Baja(I may withhold my Margaritas however).



Chris, my post above was not aimed at you nor did I intend any criticism. After reading David's post I went to the Copyright website and then checked to see if Baja Publishers was still in existence and posted my findings here. If one acquired the rights to the atlas it would be very easy to scan it and offer digital copies at low or no cost. Also I THINK that it is ok to duplicate for one's own use copyrighted material that one has previously purchased.

A number of years ago I got a rather expensive lesson concerning reproducing material that I believed to be in the public domain only to find out that it was not. My intent here was simply to spare others that costly lesson.
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[*] posted on 10-20-2017 at 07:36 PM


Kurt, I didn't give any advice, I was just making observations (at least that's what I intended).
Goat, a movie sequel does not replace the original... it continues the story.




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[*] posted on 10-21-2017 at 07:22 AM


Certainly not "legal advice", but several factors bear on these circumstances. I think the Almanacs are not "individual" original works, but rather, works for hire by a corporation - i.e., the owner of the publishing co. (not the author) has the legal rights to the copyright. In this case, the copyright is an asset of the corporation and can be transferred, sold or inherited, and not affected by lifetime + 70 yr statutes. Even a creditor of a dissolved corporation can become the owner of a copyright. Moreover, a work can be reproduced with approval or permission. I was doing a search on the 2 almanac set, and ran across a site offering free digital download to your ipad of the norte edition. I didn't click further to check it out, but if they got permission, would be legal. Copyright law is complex.
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[*] posted on 10-21-2017 at 09:08 AM


Several years ago just before the 2009 version of the almanac came out I contacted Landon Crumpton about having copies made of the 2003 version. He said no but sent me several copies of the Baja map version.

I had a new copy of the 2003 almanac and went ahead and made two B+W copies costing $13 each. I still have them and the unused new copy for future use. My original is a little tattered but still usable.
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