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sancho
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Has to be the most irrelevant comparison that is often posted
here, major US cities compared with basically a tourist destination, Mex
[Edited on 6-23-2017 by sancho]
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David K
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Don't tourist go to Chicago anymore? The pizza, the Cubs, the Great Lakes, that 'former Sears' building that used to be the tallest in the world???
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Udo
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A couple of years ago I had made a stop in Chicago's downtown area and went to GIORDANO'S pizzeria.
The best pizza I ever ate!
Udo
Youth is wasted on the young!
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chuckie
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Light campfire, make smores..kooombyah...koombyah...
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shari
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nah...tooo much sugar....I'll stick to sashimi
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chuckie
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I had the best Walleye in Minneapolis....
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Hook
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Every time I hear people talk about how dangerous the world is becoming, I think back to the numbers involving WWII. Sixty million people died in six
years, folks, including around 40 million civilians!
The world is infinitely better than what some, who are still alive, lived through. It's not ancient history. Conventional media and social media just
magnify it to more people.
Given the advances in medicine and the lack of any widespread wars in Europe, the Americas and Asia for approaching 80 years now, we are statistically
living in one of the safest periods in human history. Of course it helps to live in the right places, to enjoy this. Parts of Guerrero, Michoacan and
Sinaloa probably dont qualify; just as Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq don't either.
One thing to keep in mind about statistics on Mexico is how many persons who have simply disappeared for a year or more, arent counted in the murder
rates. Yet a significant number of those have also probably been murdered. Well, they dont show up in the rates until they are discovered in a mass
grave or otherwise. I seem to remember that figure being about an additional 20% of the murder rate.
Also, there are studies that claim that well over 50% of all crime in Mexico goes unreported due to fear of reprisal from criminals or corrupt
authorities.
Mexico is difficult to fully gauge...........but it ain't pretty in many cases.
At the risk of sounding racist to some, I would point out that if you are a non-Hispanic in Mexico, you're odds of being the victim of murder are
EXTREMELY LOW, compared to the number of non-Hispanics in Mexico. I am amazed at how few non-Hispanics become collateral casualties with all the
shooting that goes on in this "war on drugs".
I'm now spending much less time in Mexico, but it isnt for fear of the "dangers". Mexico's infrastructure and economy for the poor and middle class
(of which I am one) just seems to be collapsing on so many fronts. Fishing has nosedived almost everywhere, roads aren't maintained at the pace that
they fail, there are huge water delivery issues, health care and education are extremely poor unless you can afford the good private hospitals or
schools, sewage treatment outside of large cities is rare............and then there is the legendary corruption at so many levels of government.
Maintaining a household becomes frustrating with how the environment causes the cheap, Chinese imported parts to fail so quickly. It just wears you
down.
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Paco Facullo
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Speaking of drugs,
Breaking news,,,,, Oprah has just been caught concealing drugs,
They lifted up her dress and
found ten pounds of crack.......
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BajaGlenn
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Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  | | No one is allowed to post any thing negative on this forum.You will be heavily censured for even implying there is crime or problems in Baja..shame
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Thats OK --i am thick skinned--heard it all before--
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bezzell
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| Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo | Speaking of drugs,
Breaking news,,,,, Chuckie has just been caught concealing drugs,
They lifted up his dress and
found ten pounds of crack....... |
fixed it for you.
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Cliffy
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Let's take that "murder" rate and suck out all the drug related killings and see what the ratio looks like then!
There are places in LAX that I won't go in the daytime and I grew up there. I didn't go down into the subway in St Petersberg, Russia when I was there
(lots of warnings about that by folks who knew).
If you're not involved in the drug trade your chances of being caught up in the violence are slim to none IMHO.
Shari, does your little town work together to "keep and eye out" on what's going on and help with removing troublesome issues? I live in a big town
compared to you but small up here and the police and locals generally know who's doing what and just wait for the opportunity to cuff them up.
You chose your position in life today by what YOU did yesterday
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Howard
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Yes, a 20KG Halibut. In Juan's boat we were Yo Yo ing for Yellowtail and must of hit a sandy patch and the both of us were surprised as hell with not
only the size but caught him on iron!
Shari, do you still have pictures?
We don't stop playing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop playing
George Bernard Shaw
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chuckie
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Bezzell, Thank you for your input. So sweet! I wont tell anyone that you did the inspection up close...
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shari
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy |
Shari, does your little town work together to "keep and eye out" on what's going on and help with removing troublesome issues? I live in a big town
compared to you but small up here and the police and locals generally know who's doing what and just wait for the opportunity to cuff them up.
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There are several things in place to curb crime in our village...most people work for the 2 fishing cooperativas who have random drug testing....first
positive test you get a warning, second you forcibly go to rehab for 6 months, third time you are out of a job so that keeps many clean.
Next, the cooperatives have a very active vigilancia patrol program and they patrol the streets and beaches 24/7 watching for poachers and any unusual
behavior and they have a bead on strange vehicles entering the village which keeps the bad guys away generally.
Then there is a very organized church group of parents who address issues like who is selling meth to get them sent out of town. At times the police
hands are tied due to threats but the church group finds ways to banish the dealers so help their family members. Also there are lots of interventions
where family send their kin off to rehab.
The beauty of a village is that everyone keeps an eye out for each other.
FISH UPDATE: Ok so they lost a big one and got a couple 20-25 lb yellowtail...pics to come....just happy they found YT this early in the season.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by shari | | Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy |
Shari, does your little town work together to "keep and eye out" on what's going on and help with removing troublesome issues? I live in a big town
compared to you but small up here and the police and locals generally know who's doing what and just wait for the opportunity to cuff them up.
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There are several things in place to curb crime in our village...most people work for the 2 fishing cooperativas who have random drug testing....first
positive test you get a warning, second you forcibly go to rehab for 6 months, third time you are out of a job so that keeps many clean.
Next, the cooperatives have a very active vigilancia patrol program and they patrol the streets and beaches 24/7 watching for poachers and any unusual
behavior and they have a bead on strange vehicles entering the village which keeps the bad guys away generally.
Then there is a very organized church group of parents who address issues like who is selling meth to get them sent out of town. At times the police
hands are tied due to threats but the church group finds ways to banish the dealers so help their family members. Also there are lots of interventions
where family send their kin off to rehab.
The beauty of a village is that everyone keeps an eye out for each other.
FISH UPDATE: Ok so they lost a big one and got a couple 20-25 lb yellowtail...pics to come....just happy they found YT this early in the season.
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A famous politician said it well, "it takes a village...."
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bajagrouper
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Willing to bet Walleye is a code for Browneye...........
I hear the whales song
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rts551
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Well said Hook. Even though there are attempts to sweep it under the rug sometimes, the little villages along the northern Pacific coast of BCS
(Bahio tortugas to Punta Abreojos) have a drug problem. There is a reawson the coops have a drug testing policy and are willing to send members off
to rehab; they take drugs. There is a reason that police are threatened....the cartels have found a lucrative market for meth in all these little
towns. Family pressure and the church are finding it difficult to curb this plague.
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KurtG
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Probably shouldn't express that opinion around a Minnesotan!
From Wikipedia: The walleye is the state fish of Minnesota, Vermont and South Dakota and the official fish of Saskatchewan.[11]
It is very popular with Minnesota residents; more walleye is eaten in Minnesota than in any other jurisdiction of the United States. Both Garrison and
Baudette, Minnesota, claim to be the "Walleye Capital of the World," each with a large statue of the fish.[12]
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bajabuddha
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Anyone notice how much shorter the days are getting?
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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chippy
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy | Let's take that "murder" rate and suck out all the drug related killings and see what the ratio looks like then!
There are places in LAX that I won't go in the daytime and I grew up there. I didn't go down into the subway in St Petersberg, Russia when I was there
(lots of warnings about that by folks who knew).
If you're not involved in the drug trade your chances of being caught up in the violence are slim to none IMHO.
Shari, does your little town work together to "keep and eye out" on what's going on and help with removing troublesome issues? I live in a big town
compared to you but small up here and the police and locals generally know who's doing what and just wait for the opportunity to cuff them up.
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You grew up in an airport? How cool is that?
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