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Their location: https://goo.gl/maps/fnoS9smThxC2
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Maderita
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Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  | Glad they got found.
The location on the GE screen shot via FB page shows they were photographed on the ridgeline route between blue bottle pass and south peak of Diablo,
not on the standard class 4 route that goes via campo noche. They are west of the hard part, so maybe on way out after being delayed by some
adventure on the peak?... |
Mtgoat666,
The location appears to me to be on the saddle between Picacho del Diablo and what we call "Pinnacle Ridge". It is a known bivy site for the
(difficult and techinical) Pinnacle Ridge Traverse route. It is on the east side of Canyon Diablo. To hike out would require first descending into the
canyon, then ascend Gorin's Gully (better the unnamed adjacent gully) toward Cerro Botella Azul (Blue Bottle). A full day's difficult hike to reach
Los Llanos where their vehicle was parked.
No clue yet as to why they are so far off the standard 3rd class route. Almost certainly not equipped for the technical Pinnacle Ridge traverse.
Unlikely choice for ascending from Diablo Canyon/Campo Noche area. Perhaps they turned upward, out of the canyon for the summit, way short of the
standard route. Or, perhaps they descended the wrong way from summit.
The 6 liters of water dropped from the helicopter should see them through the night. They should reach the Diablo Canyon floor and running water in
the morning if there are no medical issues.
[Edited on 6-28-2017 by Maderita]
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Desert Rat
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I would like for the rescued hikers to write a report of their experience and I hope they do. I think it could reveal information that would be
beneficial to other hikers who wish to climb Picacho. I don't know if they ended up at the rescue location by error or on purpose. They would have
had trouble finding water anywhere other than at the bottom of the canyon. Congratulations to the SAR teams for their successful endeavor. Very
happy that the hikers were found alive.
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chuckie
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Glad they were found and appear to be safe. That is tough country...
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David K
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Here is the Climbing Diablo Mountain web page: http://www.dankat.com/swhikes/devil.htm
From that web page:
Return to Vallecitos trailhead
It is a long and tough climb up and out of the canyon back to Vallecitos Meadow. You must be careful not to leave Blue Bottle Wash too soon to begin
contouring right toward the Blue Bottle Saddle. But mostly it is a hard slog punctuated by rest stops during which you can again admire the
magnificient view behind you. Finally, you should reach the Blue Bottle Saddle (30o58.39'N 115o23.75'W) about lunchtime. Thus replenished, you begin
the gentle descent through a shallow valley traveling northwest in the direction of Vallecitos meadow. The going is fairly easy, and as long as you
head northwest, you will inevitably intersect the dirt road to the west. The trail is initially very well ducked and passes through some beautiful
aspen groves. But then it seems to evaporate and you cross from one canyon to another on several occasions. With some luck you will encounter the
ducked trail again in the flat, sandy-bottomed canyon that emerges onto the broad meadow where your vehicle was parked (30o59.93'N 115o27.07'W). It is
a three mile drive north along the dirt road to the junction with the main dirt road to the Observatory.
Here is one of the maps. It shows that going down into the canyon to Campo Noche, and not staying up high using Pinnacle Ridge, is the route
suggested:
[Edited on 6-28-2017 by David K]
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mtgoat666
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Dk,
That's the tourist route. Based on where they were found, I think these people were doing a different route. Sounds like they are experienced hikers,
familiar with area from what was said to be several or many prior trips.
[Edited on 6-28-2017 by mtgoat666]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Goat, I posted the map so Nomads could see they were not using the standard route and could see where Pinnacle Ridge compared to the route through
Campo Noche. Saying any route to the top of Diablo is a tourist route is not very accurate and borders on dangerous.
Experienced... perhaps? They required a rescue, did they not. They are not the only ones and many have not survived the Mountain of the Devil.
We are lucky that Desert Rat made it out alive. Ron has been hiking Baja and other places for many years and barely made it to the observatory road
where Graham Mackintosh found him! |
DK,
don't get your panties all in a bunch, "tourist route" is climbing lingo for the normal or easy route.
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | I don't think climbing Diablo is easy, maybe only if you are a 'mountain goat'? Calling those who have "tourists" borders on insulting, does it not?
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David, Just stop. Wait until these people are rescued before hijacking the post.
<ast info the rescuers are within 600 meters of the hikers in heavy fog. Helo is grounded.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | I don't think climbing Diablo is easy, maybe only if you are a 'mountain goat'? Calling those who have "tourists" borders on insulting, does it not?
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no. why would you be insulted being called a tourist? all of us are often tourists.
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Maderita
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News from Civil Protection Wednesday morning. Translation by Google:
GOOD NEWS:
The rescuers have already made contact with the victims, the two girls are well and feel strong, the Lord feels a little weak, perhaps because of
their diabetes.
The operation changed, from extraction to being a controlled supply, so they will be given water, food, VHF radio communication and a glucometer, to
be thrown from the helicopter, as the area is not fit to perform A landing or rescue maneuvers in static flight.
The evacuation will be on foot, following the route taken by the rescuers. Everything indicates that it will go well, now they will remain calm since
they are waiting for a walk of 8 hours or more.
Likewise, more elements will be approached on foot to the bottom of the canyon to re-supply and support with the backpacks of the victims and the
rescuers.
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willardguy
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| Quote: Originally posted by Maderita | News from Civil Protection Wednesday morning. Translation by Google:
GOOD NEWS:
The rescuers have already made contact with the victims, the two girls are well and feel strong, the Lord feels a little weak, perhaps because of
their diabetes.
The operation changed, from extraction to being a controlled supply, so they will be given water, food, VHF radio communication and a glucometer, to
be thrown from the helicopter, as the area is not fit to perform A landing or rescue maneuvers in static flight.
The evacuation will be on foot, following the route taken by the rescuers. Everything indicates that it will go well, now they will remain calm since
they are waiting for a walk of 8 hours or more.
Likewise, more elements will be approached on foot to the bottom of the canyon to re-supply and support with the backpacks of the victims and the
rescuers. |
great news.....I came into this a little late, were the hikers lost or stranded in difficult terrain?
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I don't think any details are known but probably one of them is injured or sick and unable to hike out.
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mtgoat666
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The helo dropped them water yesterday. The helo should have also dropped them a sat phone and laptop, so they could post answers here in this thread
seriously, from the FB threads, it seems no one thought to drop a sat phone or radio  wtf????
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KurtG
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | The helo dropped them water yesterday. The helo should have also dropped them a sat phone and laptop, so they could post answers here in this thread
seriously, from the FB threads, it seems no one thought to drop a sat phone or radio wtf???? |
Maderita's post says that they were or are being provided with VHF radio.
[Edited on 6-28-2017 by KurtG]
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Why people hike in this weather when it is known to get over a 100 degrees is beyond me. Experienced or tourist, people need to realize especially a
diabetic that a different time of year might be a better idea.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by EnsenadaDr | | Why people hike in this weather when it is known to get over a 100 degrees is beyond me. Experienced or tourist, people need to realize especially a
diabetic that a different time of year might be a better idea. |
June is a great time on SPM, days are long, summer t-storms are still infrequent,... What makes you think the temp ever gets to 100 degrees at 8,000'+
elevation? I suspect the day time temp in past few weeks have been 85 or less. With today's cooling trend, probably 70s today.
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha | | DK, again it's not about you, as usual. Yet another thread with a happy ending turning into pubered quibbling. Now back to the regular scheduled
programming. Sheesh. |
You seem a bit cranky, Maybe you should get medicated again, As Usual.
Better yet, why don't You, Ralph, and Chuckie get a motel room together and self medicate.
We'll let DK suggest the motel
DK's banter with the Goat regarding tourist route vs other routes was just conjecture, You three marooons on the other hand had to take upon
yourselves to make it a DK bash party.
Here's to hoping the Fox famly make it home safe and sound.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by BeemerDan | | Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha | | DK, again it's not about you, as usual. Yet another thread with a happy ending turning into pubered quibbling. Now back to the regular scheduled
programming. Sheesh. |
You seem a bit cranky, Maybe you should get medicated again, As Usual.
Better yet, why don't You, Ralph, and Chuckie get a motel room together and self medicate.
We'll let DK suggest the motel
DK's banter with the Goat regarding tourist route vs other routes was just conjecture, You three marooons on the other hand had to take upon
yourselves to make it a DK bash party.
Here's to hoping the Fox famly make it home safe and sound. |
Dk needs frequent piñata treatment to keep his head from exploding from swelling ego, hot air and misinformation.
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