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chuckie
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Sorry you are so helpless, but I am not your babysitter....I told you where to go to find out...And they are in your neighborhood....
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JoeJustJoe
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Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  | | Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca | | I have also heard that they do so much for the barrio that they are missed when they are gone. What a nightmare this creates. |
I've read that one of the reasons, perhaps the biggest, that Calderon went after the cartels in 2006 was that the narco leaders were so popular
because of their "generosity" that people were electing them to local political offices, especially in Michoacan, Calderon's home state. That was too
much for Calderon and caused him to pull the trigger, so to speak. |
Where did you read Calderon, went after the cerels in 2006 because the narco leaders were so popular?Alex Jones, "Inforwars" perhaps?
Well, Calderon's home state was certainly ground zero against the Mexican cartels, I doubt that's the real reason why Calderon declare war on the
cartels.
I think it's the same tired reason why Nixon declared "war on drug" it's a ultraconservative argument, or in the case in Mexico, Neoliberalism, free
markets, multinationals, cracking heads, mass jailing, cutting off the head of the snakes, and thinking killing or jailing a drug kingpin will win
the war on drug, as well as other old and tired methods to fight the flow of drugs.
How about "Plan Mexico" and Plan Columbia, and the shared solution, between Mexico and the USA where millions flow to Mexico, and Mexican
politicians, so they could buy nice expensive toys like helicopters, to fight the drug war, where all that money returns to the US defense
corporations, while the endless drug war continues.
Plan Columbia, didn't work very well in Columbia, and only helped shift the problem to Mexico. Damn America!
As long as Americans have an insatiable appetite for drugs, and the US provides most of weapons to Mexico, the Mexican drug cartels, will continue
falling all over themselves to serve the junkies in the USA, because many Americans, need to numb themselves to live and work in the US.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca | | I have also heard that they do so much for the barrio that they are missed when they are gone. What a nightmare this creates. |
I've read that one of the reasons, perhaps the biggest, that Calderon went after the cartels in 2006 was that the narco leaders were so popular
because of their "generosity" that people were electing them to local political offices, especially in Michoacan, Calderon's home state. That was too
much for Calderon and caused him to pull the trigger, so to speak. |
Where did you read Calderon, went after the cerels in 2006 because the narco leaders were so popular?Alex Jones, "Inforwars" perhaps?
Well, Calderon's home state was certainly ground zero against the Mexican cartels, I doubt that's the real reason why Calderon declare war on the
cartels.
I think it's the same tired reason why Nixon declared "war on drug" it's a ultraconservative argument, or in the case in Mexico, Neoliberalism, free
markets, multinationals, cracking heads, mass jailing, cutting off the head of the snakes, and thinking killing or jailing a drug kingpin will win
the war on drug, as well as other old and tired methods to fight the flow of drugs.
How about "Plan Mexico" and Plan Columbia, and the shared solution, between Mexico and the USA where millions flow to Mexico, and Mexican
politicians, so they could buy nice expensive toys like helicopters, to fight the drug war, where all that money returns to the US defense
corporations, while the endless drug war continues.
Plan Columbia, didn't work very well in Columbia, and only helped shift the problem to Mexico. Damn America!
As long as Americans have an insatiable appetite for drugs, and the US provides most of weapons to Mexico, the Mexican drug cartels, will continue
falling all over themselves to serve the junkies in the USA, because many Americans, need to numb themselves to live and work in the US.
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JIHAD-JOE AND HIS MANY FAKE NEWS STORIES!
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bajaguy
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Wounded officer dies
The officer in the attack who was wounded has died
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woody with a view
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Poor bastards! They never caughts the a-holes who shot up El Rosario 100' from the cop shop, either.
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chuckie
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I sent Antonio some Body Armor a while back...Hope they don't ever need it...
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ELINVESTIG8R
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I hope México passes a death penalty law for cop killers. That includes death to the person
sending in the cop killer and the cop killer themselves. It may not totally stop cop murders, but it may give them pause before committing the
act.
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Bubba
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| Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R | | I hope México passes a death penalty law for cop killers. That includes death to the person
sending in the cop killer and the cop killer themselves. It may not totally stop cop murders, but it may give them pause before committing the
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I'm all for it, wish the U.S. would do the same thing.
Making America Great Again
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Thank you for doing that!
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| Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R | | I hope México passes a death penalty law for cop killers. That includes death to the person
sending in the cop killer and the cop killer themselves. It may not totally stop cop murders, but it may give them pause before committing the
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LEY DE FUGA works for me, it saves time and money.
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | | Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R | | I hope México passes a death penalty law for cop killers. That includes death to the person
sending in the cop killer and the cop killer themselves. It may not totally stop cop murders, but it may give them pause before committing the
act. |
I'm all for it, wish the U.S. would do the same thing. |
The death penalty does nothing to deter crime and shootings, and besides it's against the long tradition and teachings of the Catholic church. Mexico,
is Catholic country that believes in redemption, forgiveness, and turning away from past evil ways.
But I would be for the death penalty in the US, if it was used against pig racist rogue cops who kill young blacks with impunity in the US, and rarely
are brought to justice for their crimes of murder.
In Mexico, cops have a bad reputation for corruption and taking bribes, but at least they are not known to shoot innocent minorities they stop for
minor traffic infractions , and then often the US rogue cops escalate a traffic stop into murder of unarmed dark-skinned motorists.
Oh yeah, Mexican military, and police, is sometimes known to torture suspects, which is very wrong, but probably supported by the pro-torture crowds.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | | Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R | | I hope México passes a death penalty law for cop killers. That includes death to the person
sending in the cop killer and the cop killer themselves. It may not totally stop cop murders, but it may give them pause before committing the
act. |
I'm all for it, wish the U.S. would do the same thing. |
The death penalty does nothing to deter crime and shootings, and besides it's against the long tradition and teachings of the Catholic church. Mexico,
is Catholic country that believes in redemption, forgiveness, and turning away from past evil ways.
But I would be for the death penalty in the US, if it was used against pig racist rogue cops who kill young blacks with impunity in the US, and rarely
are brought to justice for their crimes of murder.
In Mexico, cops have a bad reputation for corruption and taking bribes, but at least they are not known to shoot innocent minorities they stop for
minor traffic infractions , and then often the US rogue cops escalate a traffic stop into murder of unarmed dark-skinned motorists.
Oh yeah, Mexican military, and police, is sometimes known to torture suspects, which is very wrong, but probably supported by the pro-torture crowds.
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Here we go again! Jihad-Joe the Lebanese Arab spouting off his clueless posts spreading fake news as usual.
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R | | I hope México passes a death penalty law for cop killers. That includes death to the person
sending in the cop killer and the cop killer themselves. It may not totally stop cop murders, but it may give them pause before committing the
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er, um, you have to find, arrest, try, and convict the killers first.
Mexico doesn't do very well with any of that.
[Edited on 7-11-2017 by SFandH]
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I'm not sure I understand the infatuation with posting about murder. Each day there are many murders reported in Baja and BCS. There are also of
course unreported incidents or those events that receive delayed coverage. There are armed robberies, breakins, assaults, shots can heard fired every
night and into the morning, cars and boats are stolen in every city all day and night. Massive corruption exists apparently with coordination from
various sources. Rarely is a suspect arrested and even more rarely is one prosecuted to be incarcerated. If you are interested subscribe to all the
online papers and subscribe to all live reports often provided on Facebook and you'll get the gist real fast. It has come to the point where shots
fired from speeding vehicles is not something that causes even a glance from most people.
What is irritating is that a beginner security specialist can easily gather information to identify the culprits and locate them. Baja/BCS is
generally made of two lane roads that can easily be monitored with cameras and each case can easily be resolved. Yet resolution rarely occurs. The
entire security system is setup to fail.
10 boy scouts posted up and down the peninsula with remote cameras and basic evidence gathering tools could easily provide evidence to breakdown this
cabal showing the payoffs, meet ups, and identify the players but that won't happen because all the parties involved including US influencers want en
unstable Mexico and criminal traffic route through Baja.
But if you like the wild west here you have it!
[Edited on 7-11-2017 by gnukid]
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chuckie
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Thank you for telling most of us what we already know. Now go fix it please....Sounds easy...Go do it...
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bajaguy
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Sounds like it's time for Blackwater
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chuckie
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NO! Mexican business...Not ours...
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To pursue a crime you must have video/photo evidence, two witnesses, a demanda filed with the MP noting the item stolen with the original receipt.
Then you have to pursue it and get the MP in charge of the investigation to pursue the thief and get a judge to sign an orden de cateo, they are
likely unwilling. You probably have to buy your item your item back and then is it still stolen? I have done my fair share to fix crime, it's not
very fun. And I've been ridiculed here for doing so. I have not enjoyed seeing sicarios shoot someone right in front of me or encountering a dead body
on the road but no one will come to investigate. Or witnessing home/car breakins and the police never show. So Why do you post occasional murder
reports and then argue about it? When in reality there are multiple murders everyday in every region and worse? It is not hard to fight crime if
people would be more realistic and capture the video/photo and make reports and share those but they won't do it. And if they do they will ridiculed
here for doing so.
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True on all counts gnukid. I did a stint trying to wake folks up to the crapola going on in Concepcion years back, only to be brow-beaten for
bringing up 'unwanted news'... but public awareness is important, both in prevention and cure. I learned two things: it's Mexico, and you can't fix
Mexico. #2, you can't fix stupid either. Not Mexico, but ostriches.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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chuckie
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Gnukid? No chit...
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