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[*] posted on 7-30-2017 at 11:10 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Alm  
Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Really?

This new US State Department ruling comes on the heals of the death of 20 year old Abbey Connon, a college student, and her 22 year old brother, .....

... her brother admits to drinking at least 5 shots,


They died and then called the news to give an account of the events. Great find.


Say what?

Both Abby, age 20, and Austin, her brother, age 22 were face down in the pool, and both were taking to the hospital, but only Abby died.

If I were the parents, I would disown Austin for not taking care of his younger sister. I have adult kids a few years apart, and the oldest is a male, and for years when I wasn't around, I expected him to take care of his younger sister, and that would go double in Mexico.

Of course, I blame the parents too. Instead of blaming Mexico, and alleged bootlegged alcohol for Abby death. I wonder why they aren't looking in the mirror, and asking themselves why they didn't come down and check on the kids?

Of course you have a mother, and a step-father, situation here, and perhaps they just weren't focused on the kids.

Abby's real father, wasn't even there, but he knows for sure, something happened, and that it was some type of foul play.

I feel sorry for the father, who lost his daughter, and I just love the way he dealt with his own grief, with a 2000 mile bike ride across the country to bring awareness of organ donations.
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Through my entire ride, I will be bringing awareness to the impact of organ donation and how important the gift of life truly is when tragedy shows up on your doorstep. I will be riding six days a week averaging 60-65 miles per day, and on my days off and at every stop along my bike route, I will be asking people to regsiter online to become organ donors.



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[*] posted on 7-30-2017 at 01:05 PM


Joe, - I read what I read. Whatever...

Yes, you can die of tainted alcohol. Anti-sanitary conditions, wrong type of alcohol from unlicensed distilleries, or something else. This is a third world country.

Yes, one can also die of blood poisoning caused by overdose. Or - both tainted alcohol and overdose.
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[*] posted on 7-30-2017 at 01:07 PM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
I am astonished that any resort or hotel could stay open after just one instance of staff drugging (poisoning) a guest!
If i read a tripadvisor report of anything like this, the establishment would be off my list.

Sad that humans are so inhumane that this drugging occurs frequently in usa, mexico and just about anywhere
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Trip Advisor often removes negative posts like this.

When I almost died of CO poisoning in Lake Chapala we had to fight like you can't believe to keep the review up.

I would never use TA again.
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[*] posted on 7-30-2017 at 01:15 PM


I can't believe I am responding to this drivel but there are a few resorts in Vallarta and Nuevo Vallarta that are currently employing a small group of workers that stand accused of drugging and sexually assaulting women.

These workers also cater outside parties where they do most of their damage.
Sounds like JJJ is an expert on Mexico so he probably knows how difficult it is to get rid of these perpetrators from a labor standpoint alone let alone getting LE involved with follow through on victims they just consider visitors.

I know a few of these victims first hand so you can take the second or third hand BS out of it.

To blame it on the victims and to start this thread in that fashion is mind-blowing to me.

I flocking hate victim blaming..... just stupid.
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[*] posted on 7-30-2017 at 02:24 PM


Now Soulpatch, is bringing up allegedly date rape drugs, and rape, and he says, it's not second or third party, but he knows the victims firsthand. What you know Soulpatch, is their one-sided story. You could also be making it up. Why would women admit to you that they been raped??

Well, there are well known studies coming out of the UK starting in 2005, that tested about 1000 young women, who claimed they were victims of date rape drugs, but when they were tested only a very tiny sample of the women like 21 out of 1000 that were actually victims of date rape drugs, and the vast majority 979 of the women tested were actually victims of their own alcohol abuse, or illicit drugs that were found in their systems.

This type of study has also been done world wide with about the same results.

In order words, most of these date-rape spiking drinks stories are largely an urban myths.

Alcohol abuse is the most widely used drug of choice that leads to trouble in Mexico, and every country in the world.
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This is just one smaller study:

Date-rape drink spiking 'an urban legend'

Widespread spiking of drinks with date-rape drugs such as Rohypnol and GHB is an "urban legend" fuelled by young women unwilling to accept they have simply consumed too much alcohol, academics believe.

By Stephen Adams6:10AM GMT 27 Oct 2009

A study of more than 200 students revealed many wrongly blamed the effects of a "bad night out" on date-rape drugs, when they had just drunk excessively.

Many are in "active denial" that drinking large amounts of alcohol can leave them "incoherent and incapacitated", the Kent University researchers concluded.

Young women's fears about date-rape drugs are so ingrained that students mistakenly think it is a more important factor in sexual assault than being drunk, taking drugs or walking alone at night.

The study, published in the British Journal of Criminology, found three-quarters of students identified drink spiking as an important risk – more than alcohol or drugs.

More than half said they knew someone whose drink had been spiked.

But despite popular beliefs, police have found no evidence that rape victims are commonly drugged with such substances, the researchers said.

Dr Adam Burgess from the university's School of Social Policy, Sociology and Social Research, said: "Young women appear to be displacing their anxieties about the consequences of consuming what is in the bottle on to rumours of what could be put there by someone else.

"The reason why fear of drink-spiking has become widespread seems to be a mix of it being more convenient to guard against than the effects of alcohol itself and the fact that such stories are exotic – like a more adult version of 'stranger danger'."

Rituals to protect drinks from contamination, such as taking drinks to the lavatory in clubs and bars and buying only bottled drinks, have become commonplace, the academics noted.
Among young people, drink spiking stories have attractive features that could "help explain" their disproportionate loss of control after drinking alcohol, the study found.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6440589/Date-ra...



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[*] posted on 7-30-2017 at 03:04 PM


Jay Ezadine Salman NOT JOE...You are full of chit



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[*] posted on 7-30-2017 at 03:18 PM


Chuckie, are you going to make me bring out that photo of you looking like you had six shots of Mexican moonshine, and then also looking like you were going to get behind the wheel of a Baja Bug, used in races like the Baja 1000?



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[*] posted on 7-30-2017 at 03:28 PM


Have you petty, bickering people forgot that there is a tragedy here?

Take you crap somewhere else as we have a family in mourning for their loved one.

May it never happen to you but how would you like to read this drivel if you were in their sandals?




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[*] posted on 7-30-2017 at 08:58 PM


Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
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Trip Advisor often removes negative posts like this.

Weird; seems like they are in a position of power in this environment, why should they try to protect the establishments?

(I'm not doubting you in the least, just curious.)


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[*] posted on 7-30-2017 at 09:01 PM


JJJ, what you think about what I say means almost as much to me as what the Goat says..... except that sometimes I agree with him and I get his motivation to just fire up idiots for entertainment so that leaves you right behind that burrohat elvis investigator or whatever his name is since you guys seem to actually believe your own bullchit.

Say what you want, it matters not to pretty much anybody here and most definitely not to me.

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[*] posted on 7-31-2017 at 02:14 AM


This incident happened way back in January....I am sure that the Mexican Law Enforcement people, working closely with the US State Dept. have this issue under control by now.



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[*] posted on 7-31-2017 at 03:07 AM


BTW The US State Department, did not issue a travel warning in the state of Quintana Roo, where Playa Del Carmen, is located, regarding tainted or substandard alcohol.

What they did was update their State Department's Country Specific Information( CSI) page, which does not constitute a travel warning.

The State Department, has a completely separate "Travel Warning" for Mexico, and as today there is no Travel Warning in the state of Quintana Roo, although they do warn of cellular and internet services are virtually non-existent in certain areas of the state.

The U. S. State Department, is very careful in their words, and where they put their warnings.

The CSI page, really is only passing on allegations of tainted or substandard Alcohol, and the real message seems to be, that if you drink alcohol, do so in moderation, and if you start to feel sick, seek medical attention.

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From the State Department's Country Specific Information( CSI) page:

Alcohol: There have been allegations that consumption of tainted or substandard alcohol has resulted in illness or blacking out. If you choose to drink alcohol, it is important to do so in moderation and to stop and seek medical attention if you begin to feel ill.

https://travel.state.gov/content/studentsabroad/en/beforeyou...
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From the US State Department's Alert and Warning page.

Mexico Travel Warning

Quintana Roo (includes Cancun, Cozumel, Playa del Carmen, Riviera Maya, and Tulum): No advisory is in effect. However, U.S. citizens should exercise caution when traveling south of Felipe Carrillo Puerto or east of Jose Maria Morelos as cellular and internet services are virtually non-existent.

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings...

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[*] posted on 7-31-2017 at 09:36 PM
The Moral to the Story IS ?


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[*] posted on 8-4-2017 at 09:27 AM


Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by soulpatch  

Trip Advisor often removes negative posts like this.

Weird; seems like they are in a position of power in this environment, why should they try to protect the establishments?

(I'm not doubting you in the least, just curious.)


Some reviewers/tourists/people on "TripAdvisor" have complained their so-called reviews, are being censored and deleted, and they want to know why.

"Trip Advisor" has consistently told these reviewers/tourists/people, some of them nutcases with an agenda, or ax to grind, that their posts were determined to be inappropriate by the TripAdvisor community and has been removed. TripAdvisor, also recommends these people review the posting guidelines.

It makes sense to me, and BTW, a lot of negative reviews do make it through the TripAdvisor censors. There is nothing wrong with a honest general negative review, but the other wild tales of mayhem, I rather not read, unless the reviewer can prove their wild allegations.

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[*] posted on 8-7-2017 at 04:20 PM


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[*] posted on 8-7-2017 at 06:08 PM


Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
This incident happened way back in January....I am sure that the Mexican Law Enforcement people, working closely with the US State Dept. have this issue under control by now.


Ya, sure, you betcha! ;D

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