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Baja Travel Advisory...FWIW
A new travel advisory is out as of today. Just FYI
Mexico Travel Warning
LAST UPDATED: AUGUST 22, 2017
The U.S. Department of State warns U.S. citizens about the risk of traveling to certain parts of Mexico due to the activities of criminal
organizations in those areas. U.S. citizens have been the victims of violent crimes, including homicide, kidnapping, carjacking, and robbery in
various Mexican states. This Travel Warning replaces the Travel Warning for Mexico issued December 8, 2016.
For information on security conditions in specific regions of Mexico, see our state-by-state assessments below. U.S. government personnel and their
families are prohibited from personal travel to all areas to which the Department recommends “defer non-essential travel” in this Travel Warning.
As a result of security precautions that U.S. government personnel must take while traveling to parts of Mexico, our response time to emergencies
involving U.S. citizens may be hampered or delayed.
Gun battles between rival criminal organizations or with Mexican authorities have taken place on streets and in public places during broad daylight.
The Mexican government dedicates substantial resources to protect visitors to major tourist destinations and has engaged in an extensive effort to
counter criminal organizations that engage in narcotics trafficking and other unlawful activities throughout Mexico. There is no evidence that
criminal organizations have targeted U.S. citizens based on their nationality. Resort areas and tourist destinations in Mexico generally do not see
the level of drug-related violence and crime that are reported in the border region or in areas along major trafficking routes.
U.S. government personnel are prohibited from patronizing adult clubs and gambling establishments in the states of Coahuila, Durango, Zacatecas,
Aguascalientes, San Luis Potosi, Nuevo Leon, Tamaulipas, Jalisco, Colima, and Nayarit.
Kidnappings in Mexico take the following forms:
Traditional: victim is physically abducted and held captive until a ransom is paid for release.
Express: victim is abducted for a short time and commonly forced to withdraw money, usually from an ATM, then released.
Virtual: an extortion-by-deception scheme where a victim is contacted by phone and coerced by threats of violence to provide phone numbers of family
and friends, and then isolated until the ransom is paid. Recently, hotel guests have been targets of such "virtual" kidnapping schemes.
U.S. citizens have been murdered in carjackings and highway robberies, most frequently at night and on isolated roads. Carjackers use a variety of
techniques, including roadblocks, bumping/moving vehicles to force them to stop, and running vehicles off the road at high speeds. There are
indications that criminals target newer and larger vehicles, but drivers of old sedans and buses coming from the United States are also targeted. U.S.
government personnel are not permitted to drive from the U.S.-Mexico border to or from the interior parts of Mexico. U.S. government personnel are
prohibited from intercity travel after dark in many areas of Mexico. U.S. citizens should use toll roads (cuotas) whenever possible. In remote areas,
cell phone coverage is limited or non-existent.
The Mexican government has deployed federal police and military personnel throughout the country as part of its efforts to combat organized criminal
groups. U.S. citizens traveling on Mexican roads and highways by car or bus may encounter government checkpoints, staffed by military or law
enforcement personnel. In some places, criminal organizations have erected their own unauthorized checkpoints, at times wearing police and military
uniforms, and have killed or abducted motorists who have failed to stop at them. You should cooperate at all checkpoints.
State-by-State Assessment: Below is a state-by-state assessment of security conditions throughout Mexico. Travelers should be mindful that even if no
advisories are in effect for a given state, U.S. citizens should exercise caution throughout Mexico as crime and violence can still occur. For general
information about travel and other conditions in Mexico, see our Country Specific Information.
Aguascalientes: Intercity travel at night is prohibited for U.S. government personnel.
Baja California (includes Tijuana, Rosarito, Ensenada, Tecate, and Mexicali): Exercise caution in the northern state of Baja California, particularly
at night. Criminal activity and violence, including homicide, remain an issue throughout the state. According to the Baja California State Secretariat
for Public Security, the state of Baja California experienced an increase in homicide rates compared to the same period in 2016. While most of these
homicides appeared to be targeted, criminal organization assassinations, turf battles between criminal groups have resulted in violent crime in areas
frequented by U.S. citizens. Shooting incidents injuring innocent bystanders have occurred during daylight hours. Due to poor cellular service and
general road conditions, U.S. government personnel are only allowed to travel on “La Rumarosa” between Mexicali-Tijuana on the toll road during
daylight hours.
Baja California Sur (includes Los Cabos and La Paz): Criminal activity and violence, including homicide, remain an issue throughout the state.
Exercise caution as Baja California Sur continues to experience a high rate of homicides. According to Secretaría de Seguridad Pública del Estado de
Baja California and Secretaría de Gobernación statistics, the state of Baja California Sur experienced an increase in homicide rates compared to the
same period in 2016. While most of these homicides appeared to be targeted, criminal organization assassinations, turf battles between criminal groups
have resulted in violent crime in areas frequented by U.S. citizens. Shooting incidents, in which innocent bystanders have been injured, have occurred
during daylight hours.
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Tres Rios
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Just saw this on a FB post this am. Will follow BCS noticias to stay informed on the current situ down there....
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Shouldn't post this stuff, runs property values down....
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Where's the travel advisory for Chicago?
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chuckie
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In Chicago,??? Don't forget Syria
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rts551
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On the Chicago forum.
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David K
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Just spent almost two weeks all around Baja Sur and didn't hear one gunshot... even spent four nights in a "violent" area of La Paz. How did I miss
out on so much drama?
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i'd be ok with me if property went down.... then maybe I could afford to buy something in Baja. jkd
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Yawn.
It's basically the same travel advisory, the U.S. Department of State, issued in December, 8, 2016, especially in regards to Baja California, and Baja
California, sur, although I do see a few minor differences in some areas.
The most notable differences that I see is that U.S. government personnel are prohibited from patronizing adult clubs, and casinos in many cities
throughout Mexico! The good news, for U.S government personnel,is they can visit as many adult clubs, and casinos in Baja, and places like Tijuana!
Again the U.S State Departments, repeated again there is no evidence that criminal organizations target U.S. citizens, and resort and tourists
destinations in Mexico generally do not see the level of drug-related violence and crime that are reported in the border regions or in areas along
major trafficking routes.
One thing that is new that we didn't see before, is the U.S. State Department, mentions the state of Quintana Roo ,where Cancun, and Playa del Carmen,
are located.
But the warning is pretty benign, as far as travel warnings go. Basically the U.S. Department of State, wants Americans traveling to Quintana Roo to
know, that this state has seen an increase in homicides rates compared to the year before, and again tells us these homicides are tuft battles
between criminal groups.
A serious travel warning to some places in Mexico, are written like this:
Jalisco (includes Guadalajara, Puerto Vallarta, and Lake Chapala): U.S. citizens should defer non-essential travel to areas
that border the states of Michoacán and Zacatecas because of continued instability.
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This is what I call a 'light weight" travel warning of awareness, in Quintana Roo, and you'll notice it doesn't try to limit or discourage travel to
the region.
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Quintana Roo (includes Cancun, Cozumel, Playa del Carmen, Riviera Maya, and Tulum): U.S. citizens should be aware that according to
Government of Mexico statistics, the state of Quintana Roo experienced an increase in homicide rates compared to 2016. While most of these homicides
appeared to be targeted criminal organization assassinations, turf battles between criminal groups have resulted in violent crime in areas frequented
by U.S. citizens. Shooting incidents, in which innocent bystanders have been injured or killed, have occurred.
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JJJ comments:
BTW there is no stupid warning about alleged tainted alcohol, that made the U.S State Department's, travel warning. You drink too much, you basically
only have yourself to blame.
[Edited on 8-23-2017 by JoeJustJoe]
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I'm not going to Baja until the situation improves. Maybe next week or next month.
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Just before I drove to San Jose del Cabo for the NORRA 1000, the Department of State released the same kind of alert, telling me people are being
gunned down there by the hundreds. Guess what? We had an awesome, uneventful time.
Perhaps time to revisit? WARNING: a couple potty words!
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Great informational video 
"Hookers and blow".....need to add that to my list for Baja adventuring next trip.....
Don't believe everything you think....
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You would never spend the Money
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 good video!
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Stuck,
Thanks for bringing that video back around, it only seems to get better!
\"The average dog is a nicer person than the average person.\" Andy Rooney
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Who cares... I hope it discourages Americans from going down there! I go to Mexico to be in Mexico. The less gringos, the better 
[Edited on 8-24-2017 by BooJumMan]
In that pre-Google Earth and social media epoch, The Code was adhered to. It was based on a simple verity: if a locale had been transformational for
you, and you had put the hard yards in to get there and to learn it, to know it, why in god�s name would you broadcast the news, thus ruining the
future experience not only for yourself, but for future adventurers?
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | Just spent almost two weeks all around Baja Sur and didn't hear one gunshot... even spent four nights in a "violent" area of La Paz. How did I miss
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Guess you just missed it. Ex deputy attorney General gunned down this morning. Upscale neighborhood though. Not where you were staying.
http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/confirma-pgje-que-hombre-ejecutado...
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chuckie
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Selective perception?
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The main point from the article:
"We could either succumb to the fear or we could continue doing what we do and just be mindful of our surroundings, like we
would in any city."
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San Diego tour companies not worried about Mexico travel warning
No plans to cancel trips or alter itineraries
SAN DIEGO (KGTV) - Tour companies across San Diego say this week's travel warning from the U.S. State Department won't affect their trips.
American citizens are being warned to be wary of certain areas in Mexico where crime is on the rise. Those areas include Baja, a popular destination
for day trips from San Diego.
"You [have to] take it with a grain of salt," said Myron Stam, owner of Day Tripper Tours in El Cajon.
Stam's company has a trip planned to Puerto Nueva this weekend, and it's sold out.
"It's like going to Chicago," he said. "We don't cancel our tours to Chicago every time something goes on, some kind of crime."
read the rest here:
http://www.10news.com/news/san-diego-tour-companies-not-worr...
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No problem, if you get kidnapped just start a "go fund me account" and all the nomads will come to your rescue. Maybe!
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