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GypsyJan
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Where the border fence meets the sea, a strange beach scene contrasting the U.S. and Mexico
From The Los Angeles Times
http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-ti...
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wilderone
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"one side is oddly festive, the other dire and militaristic"
Sensationalized, ill-informed BS. One aerial photo of the area would depict the story. Not so strange - Border Field SP beach is the southern-most
west coast beach in the USA, and which is among the most contaminated coastal zones in the state. It is a flood plain, agriculture acreage, estuary
where raw sewage and garbage flows. Immediately south of the border fence (the “festive” side) there are densely populated neighborhoods and the
beach is lined with residences; this end of the beach up to the border is their major seaside recreational beach for those 146,000 residents; There is
absolutely no reason for Southern Californians to use this beach for recreation (other than horseback riding, the occasional surfer, birding) when
there are many clean beaches closer to where the San Diego County residents live.
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This has been derided as our ugliest state park – not an official designation, mind you, since beauty is so subjective. But it quantifiably is one
of the least attractive, as in, attracting people to visit.
Only 57,000 people visited Border Field in fiscal 2012-13, according to state parks records. But, says San Diego park district superintendent Clay
Phillips, that’s a 25 percent increase over the previous year.
Part of the problem is its location. To get to this sandy, swampy 400-acre site at the farthest southwest corner of the continental United States, you
take Exit 2 off Interstate 5 and follow a winding road that gets progressively more cracked and bumpy as you go. When you finally hit the entrance
gate, you almost always find it closed. A sign informs that the road into the park is open only Saturdays and Sundays and, even then, it’s often
still padlocked because the road is flooded. [… ] So, most days, you really gotta want to visit and be up for hoofing it. That means a half-mile
jaunt on a dirt path to the ocean….
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/entertainment/living/travel/sam-mcmani...
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Now uninhabited, the Border Field area was once a major Native American settlement from which there are still many prehistoric remains. There are also
historic trails believed to be from the Portola expedition and the California missionaries. On the Mexican side there is a vibrant neighborhood with
several significant cultural resources from the twentieth century. The Plaza Monumental bullfight ring (90,000 square meters and 22 meters high),
which is the second largest in the world, is just in front of the park and next to the beach. There is also a lighthouse, the international division
monument, several vernacular restaurants, residential homes, and a smaller park that borders with the Border Field Park and the beach. The two parks
were built to celebrate the friendship between the two countries.
Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/entertainment/living/travel/sam-mcmani...
And of course, on the US side the natural environment is somewhat preserved to serve the 370 species of birds and flora and fauna, and serves as a
study area for native ecology of this type.
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Lee
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Where the U.S. Meets Mexico, a Surfer-Artist Is Making a Statement About the Absurdity of Borders
In Border Field State Park, on the beach where San Diego and Tijuana meet, a fence made of poles placed a few inches apart, stretches from the sand
into the water, extending just past the surf break. Artist Diego Palacios saw this border for the first time on a surf trip “I was aware of how it
mirrored my Mexican-American identity,” he says. Surfing there has been strange and usually solitary for him. “The experience is like nothing I've
ever done,” he says. “There exists an emotional heaviness that comes and goes.” While it's still illegal to cross from one “side” to
another, there’s no tangible difference between the waves and, once you’re beyond the wall, no barrier.
“I am of course literally between the United States and Mexico, between the sea and land,” he reflects. “But I am also between surveillance and
freedom and the history of natural migration and colonialization.”
http://www.laweekly.com/arts/surfers-on-the-us-mexico-border...
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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mtgoat666
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Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
MOTHER OF EXILES. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
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mtgoat666
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many of us have forgotten that most of us are here because our poor ancestors came here in steerage class....
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SFandH
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Google map of the area. Street level views are available.
https://www.google.com.mx/maps/@32.5345924,-117.1131789,1269...
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BajaTed
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With all due respect, a little more context is needed.
We (of poor ancestors) are also awaiting a pardon from the 10,000,000 native american indians we performed genocide upon.
Es Todo Bueno
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With all due respect, a little more context is needed.
We (of poor ancestors) are also awaiting a pardon from the 10,000,000 native american indians we performed genocide upon. |
Context is individual and somewhat relative. Both sets of grandparents legally immigrated to the USA 100 years ago. They carried no ill will or
animosity towards Native Americans nor the US system. They believed in freedom and justice as well as needed the opportunities the US provided. Since
then, things have evolved in a decidedly twisted fashion. However, I'm sure they never condoned or supported genocide since that was part of their
motivation to come to North America. We is an overly broad application, just as respectfully.
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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SFandH
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There was a news segment on KPBS radio earlier today about the TJ river estuary.
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2017/sep/07/tijuana-estuary-endures...
It was mentioned that TJ is completing this November an 8.4 million dollar project to improve the city's sewage treatment system.
There's an International Boundary Water Commission (IBWC) meeting in Imperial Beach tonight to address the forever TJ River problems.
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aguachico
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Know your history.
Native American Indians were excellent warriors, decimating and destroying other tribes long before Europeans landed in North America. Had the
Europeans not been the better warrior, their fate would have been sealed.
Hence we won the war, get over it.
As for how our ancestors arrived... My ancestors would have loved to upgrade to steerage.
Border Wall. Thank God for it.
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by aguachico | Know your history.
Native American Indians were excellent warriors, decimating and destroying other tribes long before Europeans landed in North America. Had the
Europeans not been the better warrior, their fate would have been sealed.
Hence we won the war, get over it.
As for how our ancestors arrived... My ancestors would have loved to upgrade to steerage.
Border Wall. Thank God for it. |
Jesuit education through university level. Nothing like this in any books I've read. There must be evidence supporting your claims. You
wouldn't shoot from the hip like some others here.
Oh. How's that wall working out for ya? Think DACA is a bad idea, do ya?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by aguachico | Know your history.
Native American Indians were excellent warriors, decimating and destroying other tribes long before Europeans landed in North America. Had the
Europeans not been the better warrior, their fate would have been sealed.
Hence we won the war, get over it.
Border Wall. Thank God for it. |
I know mine in the west. We got lucky with sheer numbers, several harsh winters, us killing off their food supplies, lying and deceiving, oh...and
chemical warfare (diseases). Better warriors we were not. Not by a long shot.
I don't know how my ancestors got here but I was born here by dumb luck.
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bajabuddha
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Yeah, we had better warriors, like the other orange-haired idjit, George A. Custer. At least he served his country. 
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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SFandH
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Did you ever hear the story about the young Indian buck that goes into a w.horehouse and says to the madam:
"Me wantum woman!"
The madam asks:
"Do you have any experience?"
And.......................well, stop by the beach compound this winter for the rest. Bring some beers.
[Edited on 9-7-2017 by SFandH]
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Life has always been the survival of the fittest. He who has more toys in the end wins. Quit whining get educated and get a job.
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Oh. How's that wall working out for ya? Think DACA is a bad idea, do ya?....Lee
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Great idea. It was putting it in place with Executive Order that wasn't so good. Presidents arn't there to make laws. That's a job for Congress.
Presidents are there to enforce those laws.
[Edited on 9-7-2017 by DENNIS]
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Adding Fuel to the Fire
From The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/08/world/america...
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aguachico
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After multiple trips to US immigration, I have more respect for the LEGAL then ever before.
Entering my country illegally should never be an option. Stop rewarding cheaters.
Don't blame the USA, blame Mexico.
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BajaTed
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| Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS |
Oh. How's that wall working out for ya? Think DACA is a bad idea, do ya?....Lee
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Great idea. It was putting it in place with Executive Order that wasn't so good. Presidents arn't there to make laws. That's a job for Congress.
Presidents are there to enforce those laws.
It was only an executive memo to the head of DHS and the republican congressional resolution one month later that they didn't like it was the
response, both sides wanted to win in 2012.
[Edited on 9-7-2017 by DENNIS] |
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by aguachico | After multiple trips to US immigration, I have more respect for the LEGAL then ever before.
Entering my country illegally should never be an option. Stop rewarding cheaters.
Don't blame the USA, blame Mexico. |
I don't blame people for xing border for work. They gotta do what they gotta do. If you feel compelled to assign blame, then blame the gringos that
hire illegals. They are in a position to hire legal but choose not to, they make the market.
The children that came here "illegally" have today known no other county, so they are as a American as any other kid born here. It is just cruel to
threaten to deport them. These kids deserve opportunity and status here as much as any kid born here. Any person against DACA and dreamers, or
against compassionate/inclusive immigration law, is just a cruel mother flocker and unamerican.
[Edited on 9-8-2017 by mtgoat666]
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