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[*] posted on 9-14-2017 at 08:04 AM


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Thanks for the reply, Wilderon.

Very interesting. I would think that wooden bows are a very rare find in the desert.

I'm going to go look at the bow at the museum in Ensenada some time. Does anyone know where the museum is?


the north end of the Riviera


Thank you! I know the place. I think I have been in the "lobby," but cannot recall if I have gone inside.
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[*] posted on 9-14-2017 at 08:06 AM


Ted, that's an interesting twist. Given where the bows were - high up on the rocky mountain - would seem a very odd coincidence that they were found AGAIN (6 yrs. after the 1994 discovery) after a couple hundred years of being hidden in the crevice. I don't remember who told me the bows were donated to Ensenada, but I understood them to be the 1994 bows. More bows?
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[*] posted on 9-14-2017 at 08:08 AM


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Ted, that's an interesting twist. Given where the bows were - high up on the rocky mountain - would seem a very odd coincidence that they were found AGAIN (6 yrs. after the 1994 discovery) after a couple hundred years of being hidden in the crevice. I don't remember who told me the bows were donated to Ensenada, but I understood them to be the 1994 bows. More bows?


Was the 1994 cave near Tajo Canyon?




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[*] posted on 9-14-2017 at 08:37 AM


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Good news .....but if any Nomads found the small pack I lost with 2 cameras, chargers, batteries, and other goodies on the road up to San Javier....please don't give them to a museum....:biggrin:


Don't worry Ged, we turned them over to the Antiquities Protection Department.
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[*] posted on 9-14-2017 at 08:46 AM


The museum in La Paz has a wonderful collection of artifacts.

Bows in Baja - verrrrrrrrrrrrrry cool.




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"Was the 1994 cave near Tajo Canyon"
No - it was about 7 miles So. slightly SE of Canon de Guadalupe. I have a source that indicates there was a trip in Feb. 1995 (a year after the Mar. '94 trip when photos were taken) to the bow site. This might be the trip when they were removed, or maybe just another trip to observe (SD Museum of Man person along on this trip) and were left alone (?). There are several canyons in the area - one could easily get in and out of 2 or 3 of them in a day. Would be fun to see if they're still there or not.
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[*] posted on 9-14-2017 at 09:38 AM


I always thought native bows would be smaller and cruder than these. Was it ever confirmed that these were native bows?

On the other hand, who else would possibly have a bow in that area.
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[*] posted on 9-14-2017 at 09:51 AM


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Good news .....but if any Nomads found the small pack I lost with 2 cameras, chargers, batteries, and other goodies on the road up to San Javier....please don't give them to a museum....:biggrin:


Don't worry Ged, we turned them over to the Antiquities Protection Department.


Whew ... I had worried they weren't being fully appreciated....:biggrin:





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[*] posted on 9-14-2017 at 02:04 PM


This sounds like a potential Baja Nomad trip to see if the bows are still there? Anyone want to organize?



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"Was the 1994 cave near Tajo Canyon"
No - it was about 7 miles So. slightly SE of Canon de Guadalupe. I have a source that indicates there was a trip in Feb. 1995 (a year after the Mar. '94 trip when photos were taken) to the bow site. This might be the trip when they were removed, or maybe just another trip to observe (SD Museum of Man person along on this trip) and were left alone (?). There are several canyons in the area - one could easily get in and out of 2 or 3 of them in a day. Would be fun to see if they're still there or not.


Thanks. There is a lot of pottery pieces at the base of the mountain just outside Guadalupe Canyon... and of course the petroglyphs a few miles south in Vibora Canyon: http://vivabaja.com/108/




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I have an acquaintance here in Asuncion, a local, who spends time on the beaches near Asuncion with both a metal detector and a framed screen for sifting sand. He showed me his collection of things he has found and as you can imagine there are a lot of Canadian and US coins to go along with the Mexican and Spanish coins but one find was very interesting. He found a bronze Roman coin that was in good enough shape to identify the era that it was minted. This particular coin was minted approximately 375 BC. Sure would like to hear the story of how that ended up on the beach in San Roque.
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[*] posted on 9-15-2017 at 09:32 AM


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..... This particular coin was minted approximately 375 BC. Sure would like to hear the story of how that ended up on the beach in San Roque.


WOW :wow::wow::wow:

That is certainly worth an explanation....booty from a galleon...or what....????

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I have an acquaintance here in Asuncion, a local, who spends time on the beaches near Asuncion with both a metal detector and a framed screen for sifting sand. He showed me his collection of things he has found and as you can imagine there are a lot of Canadian and US coins to go along with the Mexican and Spanish coins but one find was very interesting. He found a bronze Roman coin that was in good enough shape to identify the era that it was minted. This particular coin was minted approximately 375 BC. Sure would like to hear the story of how that ended up on the beach in San Roque.


was that or the spanish coins worth some dough?
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I have an acquaintance here in Asuncion, a local, who spends time on the beaches near Asuncion with both a metal detector and a framed screen for sifting sand. He showed me his collection of things he has found and as you can imagine there are a lot of Canadian and US coins to go along with the Mexican and Spanish coins but one find was very interesting. He found a bronze Roman coin that was in good enough shape to identify the era that it was minted. This particular coin was minted approximately 375 BC. Sure would like to hear the story of how that ended up on the beach in San Roque.


was that or the spanish coins worth some dough?


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[*] posted on 9-15-2017 at 12:17 PM


San Roque has many stories of gold dubloons falling out of the sand bank after storms and as well have been found on San Roque Island. This little secret cove is hidden by the island from the sea so it is thought that the Spanish pirates would hide in there and zoom out when a ship passed and pillage it and hide the treasures in San Roque....several treasures have been hauled out of there and there were dozens of big holes where people dug to look....lots of folklore tales there and ghost stories....the ghost of the slaves the pirates killed to guard their treasures!



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I think many pirates were Dutch or English who raided Spanish ships for those gold or silver coins.



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[*] posted on 9-15-2017 at 07:50 PM


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I have an acquaintance here in Asuncion, a local, who spends time on the beaches near Asuncion with both a metal detector and a framed screen for sifting sand. He showed me his collection of things he has found and as you can imagine there are a lot of Canadian and US coins to go along with the Mexican and Spanish coins but one find was very interesting. He found a bronze Roman coin that was in good enough shape to identify the era that it was minted. This particular coin was minted approximately 375 BC. Sure would like to hear the story of how that ended up on the beach in San Roque.


was that or the spanish coins worth some dough?


I actually did research that on the Roman coin and was surprised of the number that were for sale. It is all about condition and I am no expert in grading coins but most sell for under 50 bucks.
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[*] posted on 9-15-2017 at 08:35 PM


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Quote: Originally posted by Rossman  
I have an acquaintance here in Asuncion, a local, who spends time on the beaches near Asuncion with both a metal detector and a framed screen for sifting sand. He showed me his collection of things he has found and as you can imagine there are a lot of Canadian and US coins to go along with the Mexican and Spanish coins but one find was very interesting. He found a bronze Roman coin that was in good enough shape to identify the era that it was minted. This particular coin was minted approximately 375 BC. Sure would like to hear the story of how that ended up on the beach in San Roque.


was that or the spanish coins worth some dough?


I actually did research that on the Roman coin and was surprised of the number that were for sale. It is all about condition and I am no expert in grading coins but most sell for under 50 bucks.


now thats hard to wrap your head around....a coin made in 375 bc and its only worth 50 bucks!:wow:
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[*] posted on 9-16-2017 at 10:20 PM


Hey Shari, never heard of those pirate stories and San Roque. Is there a shipwreck nearby (the pirates had to do something with the ships they attacked) or has anyone looked for one?



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