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[*] posted on 11-6-2017 at 11:53 AM
1974 Auto Club Baja Map


With the demise of Photobucket for free or inexpensive hosting of our maps and photos, this is a test to see how Postimage.org does with maps... A big thank you to Barry A for sharing this map... Mine had been marked on and torn over the 43 years I had it!

This is posted for historic educational purposes and arranged from north to south, overall and close-ups:





































1974 was the final year that the northern 1/4 Baja California was shown in such large detail (scale). The reverse side of the map had the smaller scale remainder of the peninsula.










Some close-ups from that part:







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[*] posted on 11-6-2017 at 02:52 PM


Looks to me like it came thru just perfect, David. Good Job, and so glad that you and the folks are getting good use out of that map. It sure was not doing much good sitting in my map cabinet. LOL
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[*] posted on 11-6-2017 at 04:02 PM


Looks like the area north of Ensenada, which is now known as the VALLE DE GUADALUPE, was originally known only as GUADALUPE.

To the locals, it is now known just as the VALLE.




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[*] posted on 11-6-2017 at 04:46 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Udo  
Looks like the area north of Ensenada, which is now known as the VALLE DE GUADALUPE, was originally known only as GUADALUPE.

To the locals, it is now known just as the VALLE.

Historically, the town was Guadalupe (named for the 1834-1840 mission there) and the colony of Russians (Rusos) from the time of the czars!

The Mexican government, in a PC move, renamed the town, Francisco Zarco. The locals coined the 'Valle de Guadalupe' brand to preserve the historic name, I think?




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[*] posted on 11-6-2017 at 05:24 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Looks to me like it came thru just perfect, David. Good Job, and so glad that you and the folks are getting good use out of that map. It sure was not doing much good sitting in my map cabinet. LOL


You know how much I appreciate your generosity, Barry. This was an April 1974 map, made just 5 months after Hwy. 1 was completed!

I am seeking the 1973 issue of the AAA map to see where the pavement and any new roadbed was shown. A 1972 issue would be as equally appreciated.

I do remember one of them, the '73 I think, that showed the paving part way to San Ignacio from Santa Rosalia, northbound. San Quintin or nearby, southbound.

My first road guide was made in August 1973 from the family July trip down the new (and much of the old) roadbed...

My dad and I were following construction progress of Highway 1 closely and the rumors were indicating the final 300 miles of old road were a thing of the past and paving was not far off (San Quintin-San Ignacio). Dad sold his 4WD Chevy Suburban and bought a Ford LTD Wagon with the 460 Lincoln engine. He had adjustable air shocks installed and a second gas tank added to make this pre-Hwy. 1 Baja trip possible in an otherwise street-wagon.

I made close notes of the highway route, odometer readings, compass directions, etc. to document this brand new road that most knew very little about. I had heard that El Arco was bypassed and the highway went closer to the newer town of Guerrero Negro after leaving San Ignacio.

This was (and still is) the kind of stuff that is great fun for me... I was 15 years old then!

In July 1973, we were a bit shocked when the paving ended so soon (at the Mission San Fernando junction, 40 miles beyond El Rosario). The new graded roadbed we could drive ended near Rancho Sonora there was an access to Agua Dulce spring (for water trucks to fill for roadbed construction). From there all the way to Laguna Chapala, it was the old main road we traveled by Jeep on in 1966! We did stop at Rancho Santa Ynez to see about staying in the bunk rooms, but upon inspection, my mom would have none of that (very dusty)! We slept in the wagon somewhere south of Santa Ynez.

If anyone is wondering, there was no Cataviña, yet. That place (an old rancho site) would become a 'Parador' (gas station, rest stop, trailer park, cafeteria, and Hotel El Presidente, and eventually a small town) after the highway was finished.

We drove in the famous (infamous) Chapala dust field alongside the new roadbed which had reached that point by July. My dad had me get out to take a photo of his station wagon 'mastering' the Chapala dust!



A little further up, on the new roadbed:



We encountered paving (but not yet driveable) somewhere north of Punta Prieta... the road to Bahía de los Angeles was not marked or we didn't see it. There was nothing yet where the new paved L.A. junction would be.

Paving would end and begin again in sections as far south as around Jesus María (I recall), then all paved south. We stayed at the only motel there was in Guerrero Negro in 1973, the Dunas... Loreto would be an easy drive from there the next day.

This is what I produced after the trip, very low budget, but I sold every one I made, at a couple of bookstores in Escondido (near where I lived, then). It even got onto a morning TV show in San Diego (Ch. 8's Sun up):



Some samples of inside:





Hey, even at 15, Baja was my 'drug of choice' :lol::lol::lol:

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[*] posted on 11-6-2017 at 05:28 PM


Wow...what a historian, as well as a cartographer!



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[*] posted on 11-7-2017 at 04:23 AM


For Postimage what image size do you recommend?
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Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
For Postimage what image size do you recommend?

The above are at the Nomad max of 800 pixels. I believe that level is called '15" Monitor', but the Forum choice (640) is big, too, just not full Nomad size, which I like for maps.




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[*] posted on 11-12-2017 at 03:28 PM


First time on this forum, Is Stunning this Map of Baja California from 1974
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[*] posted on 11-12-2017 at 04:01 PM


Welcome to Baja Nomad! There is a ton of maps from the past posted here the past 15 years. Please feel free to request any special area or zoom in images.



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[*] posted on 11-12-2017 at 07:53 PM


Thanks David
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[*] posted on 11-12-2017 at 09:25 PM


From the first picture of TJ and area, I remember the Bullring that is shown by the jct of the 1D and the M2, those were the days, hurraches, bullwhips and BIG firecrackers



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Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed  
From the first picture of TJ and area, I remember the Bullring that is shown by the jct of the 1D and the M2, those were the days, hurraches, bullwhips and BIG firecrackers


Yep---------really BIG firecrackers!!! Cherry-bombs, which were tiny bits of TNT, or sounded and acted like them!!! LOL
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For some reason I find this map to be comforting and refreshing.



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[*] posted on 2-5-2018 at 11:27 AM


I am still hoping someone has the 1973 and/or 1972 AAA (Auto Club of Southern California) Baja Maps that can be shared here to compare to the April 1974 issue, above. Any of them from 1970-1973, in fact!
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[*] posted on 2-5-2018 at 12:54 PM


I have a 7-71 and a 9-73 version.
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[*] posted on 2-5-2018 at 03:09 PM


I have the version that is mostly Orange and blue on the cover. I don't have it with me, and cannot recall what year it is, but I think it's later. And, I think I've seen you post from it before, so I believe you have it.
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[*] posted on 2-5-2018 at 03:56 PM


Interesting that the "Know before you go" is almost exactly the same 40 years later.
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[*] posted on 2-5-2018 at 04:36 PM


Hi Guys ! good to jump in again . Dave K I've got some old maps ... Shelll map of Mexico and Baja Mexico 1960 and 1961 and some others .Would like to dig thru files and send them to you ,and maybe you could look at them and see if you could get something out of them . Then send them back and i'm going to frame them .

How about KYM's Guide No.6 Baja California Sea of Cortez 1968 ? Know that I have some AAA books / maps in there too
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[*] posted on 2-5-2018 at 04:54 PM


Very cool... if you guys have the ability, please scan and share them or email the scans my way. Mailing them to me is another option and I can mail them back if you want them back. TW, I sent you a u2u. That is great. I want to see how AAA showed pavement progress, most of which was between 1971 and the end of 1973. If my teenage memory from 1972/73 serves me right, the '73 map shows pavement north partially to San Ignacio from Santa Rosalia and perhaps south to San Quintin. The '72 map shows south to Colonia Guerrero and north to Santa Rosalia...? So much was done in the single year of 1973 (San Quintin to San Ignacio)!!!



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