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MrBillM
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Domestic Travel Advisory
For those prospective Watts tourists .......................
A - M - F.
Let a relative or friend know in advance.
So there's less delay in identifying the remains.
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bajatrailrider
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Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  | For those prospective Watts tourists .......................
A - M - F.
Let a relative or friend know in advance.
So there's less delay in identifying the remains. |
JAAAAAAA good one
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caj13
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anyone actually interested in real numbers?
best i could find with a short search, was looking for the rates / 100,000, so we could get an accurate comparison.
over the past several years
In the USA, murder rate is about 5 / 100K
In Los Angeles 7 - 8 / 100K
In Baja
in 2016 - 33 / 100K
in 2017, thant jumps to 58/100K
statistically, you are 10X more likely to get murdered in Baja, than in the USA. 7X more likely to be murdered in Baja than in LA.
You can justify and ignore those numbers all you want, but if you are making the claim Baja is safer than???
do us a favor, do your research and present us with some actual numbers!
(BTW Oakland, Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit etc etc etc, all way lower rates than Baja)
Sources for data:
http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-violence-most-killings...
http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Los-Angeles-California....
[Edited on 1-31-2018 by caj13]
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Paco Facullo
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Yes, Be afraid be vary afraid !!!!!
Do sit at home in your easy chair and watch the news on your TV
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caj13
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Not quite, I visit Baja 3 - 4 times per year, and am actively looking to buy a place there. but in doing so, I figure why not be informed. You
know, understand the actual risk, so i can make an informed decision!
as opposed to just listening to waves of uninformed emotionally charged drivel from various individuals, all of whom are trying to get an artificial
pen*s inflation by trying to shout down anyone with a different opinion.
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MrBillM
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Venturing into the Unknown
It seems inevitable that there will be attack and defense exchanges generated each time this "warning" business comes up and
that apples/oranges dueling statistics are tossed about citing various U.S. inner-city ghettos which would not be tourism
destinations other than for the most clueless and (likely) not even them.
Also inevitable is the nonsensical argument that the Department of State should warn citizens regarding those
domestic danger zones.
Which, of course, ignores the FACT that said areas are covered extensively (and sensationally) ad nauseam by the news media.
One would think that the various advisories, cautions and warnings would be appreciated by all regardless of the destinations involved. IF they are
researched by those who would be affected, the prospective traveler will simply have additional information to guide their decisions.
"Know Before You GO".
And, you're less likely to GO before your time.
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My Daddy taught me as a child on our trips to Baja that people come to Baja on both sides of the coin for REASONS.
Those that have traveled elsewhere and Baja extensively know the place is a world renowned paradox, it is what it is, amazing
Es Todo Bueno
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caj13
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| Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM | It seems inevitable that there will be attack and defense exchanges generated each time this "warning" business comes up and
that apples/oranges dueling statistics are tossed about citing various U.S. inner-city ghettos which would not be tourism
destinations other than for the most clueless and (likely) not even them.
Also inevitable is the nonsensical argument that the Department of State should warn citizens regarding those
domestic danger zones.
Which, of course, ignores the FACT that said areas are covered extensively (and sensationally) ad nauseam by the news media.
One would think that the various advisories, cautions and warnings would be appreciated by all regardless of the destinations involved. IF they are
researched by those who would be affected, the prospective traveler will simply have additional information to guide their decisions.
"Know Before You GO".
And, you're less likely to GO before your time. |
Exactly right, the more you know, the better you can make a valid risk assessment. Accurate information is invaluable!
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Mexitron
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Better numbers might be #tourists/100K. As I understand it many of the murders are cartel members doing each other in. Not unlike some of our inner
city stats in the US.
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MrBillM
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Baja Tour Guide Opportunity ?
Perhaps there's a market opening for a (Fodor's) "Favored Haunts of the Cartel" serving as a (don't GO) guide to Hotels,
Restaurants, Discos, Beaches, etc. that Cartel members frequent.
Including an idea I ventured years ago (for U.S. cities) with maps broken down into "DefCon" kill zones.
Doing the research might be a little sticky, though.
Then, there's always the possibility that some Cartel bozo would break routine on his day to go and you'd find yourself at the table next to him.
GB saw a lot of that when the IRA was tossing Plastique around London, Belfast and elsewhere.
OOPS.
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