BajaNomad
Not logged in [Login - Register]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
 Pages:  1  2
Author: Subject: New U.S. travel advisory recommends "caution" to Baja California visitors
MrBillM
Platinum Nomad
********


Avatar


Posts: 19400
Registered: 8-20-2003
Location: The NSA Knows
Member Is Offline

Mood: ENOUGH ALREADY - President Pence NOW !

[*] posted on 1-30-2018 at 06:58 PM
Domestic Travel Advisory


For those prospective Watts tourists .......................

A - M - F.

Let a relative or friend know in advance.

So there's less delay in identifying the remains.
View user's profile
bajatrailrider
Senior Nomad
***




Posts: 923
Registered: 1-24-2015
Location: Mexico
Member Is Offline

Mood: Happy

[*] posted on 1-31-2018 at 08:32 AM


Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
For those prospective Watts tourists .......................

A - M - F.

Let a relative or friend know in advance.

So there's less delay in identifying the remains.
JAAAAAAA good one:)
View user's profile
caj13
Nomad
**




Posts: 134
Registered: 8-1-2017
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 1-31-2018 at 09:45 AM


anyone actually interested in real numbers?

best i could find with a short search, was looking for the rates / 100,000, so we could get an accurate comparison.

over the past several years
In the USA, murder rate is about 5 / 100K
In Los Angeles 7 - 8 / 100K

In Baja
in 2016 - 33 / 100K
in 2017, thant jumps to 58/100K

statistically, you are 10X more likely to get murdered in Baja, than in the USA. 7X more likely to be murdered in Baja than in LA.

You can justify and ignore those numbers all you want, but if you are making the claim Baja is safer than???
do us a favor, do your research and present us with some actual numbers!
(BTW Oakland, Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit etc etc etc, all way lower rates than Baja)

Sources for data:
http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-violence-most-killings...

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Los-Angeles-California....

[Edited on 1-31-2018 by caj13]
View user's profile
Paco Facullo
Senior Nomad
***




Posts: 525
Registered: 1-21-2017
Location: Here now
Member Is Online

Mood: Abiding ..........

[*] posted on 1-31-2018 at 10:08 AM


Yes, Be afraid be vary afraid !!!!!

Do sit at home in your easy chair and watch the news on your TV
.....
View user's profile
caj13
Nomad
**




Posts: 134
Registered: 8-1-2017
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 1-31-2018 at 10:18 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo  
Yes, Be afraid be vary afraid !!!!!

Do sit at home in your easy chair and watch the news on your TV
.....


Not quite, I visit Baja 3 - 4 times per year, and am actively looking to buy a place there. but in doing so, I figure why not be informed. You know, understand the actual risk, so i can make an informed decision!

as opposed to just listening to waves of uninformed emotionally charged drivel from various individuals, all of whom are trying to get an artificial pen*s inflation by trying to shout down anyone with a different opinion.
View user's profile
MrBillM
Platinum Nomad
********


Avatar


Posts: 19400
Registered: 8-20-2003
Location: The NSA Knows
Member Is Offline

Mood: ENOUGH ALREADY - President Pence NOW !

[*] posted on 1-31-2018 at 10:44 AM
Venturing into the Unknown


It seems inevitable that there will be attack and defense exchanges generated each time this "warning" business comes up and that apples/oranges dueling statistics are tossed about citing various U.S. inner-city ghettos which would not be tourism destinations other than for the most clueless and (likely) not even them.

Also inevitable is the nonsensical argument that the Department of State should warn citizens regarding those domestic danger zones.

Which, of course, ignores the FACT that said areas are covered extensively (and sensationally) ad nauseam by the news media.

One would think that the various advisories, cautions and warnings would be appreciated by all regardless of the destinations involved. IF they are researched by those who would be affected, the prospective traveler will simply have additional information to guide their decisions.

"Know Before You GO".

And, you're less likely to GO before your time.
View user's profile
BajaTed
Nomad
**




Posts: 283
Registered: 5-2-2010
Location: Bajamar
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 1-31-2018 at 11:07 AM


My Daddy taught me as a child on our trips to Baja that people come to Baja on both sides of the coin for REASONS.

Those that have traveled elsewhere and Baja extensively know the place is a world renowned paradox, it is what it is, amazing





Es Todo Bueno
View user's profile
caj13
Nomad
**




Posts: 134
Registered: 8-1-2017
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 1-31-2018 at 11:30 AM


Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
It seems inevitable that there will be attack and defense exchanges generated each time this "warning" business comes up and that apples/oranges dueling statistics are tossed about citing various U.S. inner-city ghettos which would not be tourism destinations other than for the most clueless and (likely) not even them.

Also inevitable is the nonsensical argument that the Department of State should warn citizens regarding those domestic danger zones.

Which, of course, ignores the FACT that said areas are covered extensively (and sensationally) ad nauseam by the news media.

One would think that the various advisories, cautions and warnings would be appreciated by all regardless of the destinations involved. IF they are researched by those who would be affected, the prospective traveler will simply have additional information to guide their decisions.

"Know Before You GO".

And, you're less likely to GO before your time.

Exactly right, the more you know, the better you can make a valid risk assessment. Accurate information is invaluable!
View user's profile
Mexitron
Elite Nomad
******




Posts: 3371
Registered: 9-21-2003
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Member Is Offline

Mood: Happy!

[*] posted on 1-31-2018 at 01:42 PM


Better numbers might be #tourists/100K. As I understand it many of the murders are cartel members doing each other in. Not unlike some of our inner city stats in the US.
View user's profile
MrBillM
Platinum Nomad
********


Avatar


Posts: 19400
Registered: 8-20-2003
Location: The NSA Knows
Member Is Offline

Mood: ENOUGH ALREADY - President Pence NOW !

[*] posted on 1-31-2018 at 03:09 PM
Baja Tour Guide Opportunity ?


Perhaps there's a market opening for a (Fodor's) "Favored Haunts of the Cartel" serving as a (don't GO) guide to Hotels, Restaurants, Discos, Beaches, etc. that Cartel members frequent.

Including an idea I ventured years ago (for U.S. cities) with maps broken down into "DefCon" kill zones.

Doing the research might be a little sticky, though.

Then, there's always the possibility that some Cartel bozo would break routine on his day to go and you'd find yourself at the table next to him.

GB saw a lot of that when the IRA was tossing Plastique around London, Belfast and elsewhere.

OOPS.
View user's profile
 Pages:  1  2

  Go To Top

 






All Content Copyright � 1997- Q87 International; All Rights Reserved.
Powered by XMB; XMB Forum Software © 2001-2014 The XMB Group�






"If it were lush and rich, one could understand the pull, but it is fierce and hostile and sullen. The stone mountains pile up to the sky and there is little fresh water. But we know we must go back if we live, and we don't know why." - Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez

"People don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care." - Ivan R. Misner, Ph.D

"You can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those who they think can do nothing for them or to them." - Malcolm Forbes

"Let others lead small lives, but not you. Let others argue over small things, but not you. Let others cry over small hurts, but not you. Let others leave their future in someone else's hands, but not you." - Jim Rohn







Thank you to Baja Bound Mexico Insurance Services for your long-term support of the BajaNomad.com Forums site.







Emergency Baja Contacts Include:

Desert Hawks; El Rosario-based ambulance transport; Emergency #: (616) 103-0262