BajaNomad
Not logged in [Login - Register]
Go To Bottom

Printable Version  
 Pages:  1    3
Author: Subject: Pioneer Mine Road
PaulW
Super Nomad
****




Posts: 1375
Registered: 5-21-2013
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 3-20-2018 at 03:14 PM
Pioneer Mine Road


Documenting this trip so persons searching Nomads can find it.

This was the original road before Highway 5 was built. It went from Hwy1 at El Crucero thru Calamajue canyon past the Pioneer Mine and on to Punta Final. The hard portion when heading north starts just north of the mine at the summit.
People interested in the details go to the report at:
edit
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=82414
Look near the last message
On my settings it was on page 3. Your page is probably different?

[Edited on 3-20-2018 by PaulW]
View user's profile
TMW
Select Nomad
*******




Posts: 9429
Registered: 9-1-2003
Location: Bakersfield, CA
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 12:28 PM


Paul where is the roughest part of the trail between Lacy's grave and the road to Cocos or is all about the same.

[Edited on 3-22-2018 by TMW]
View user's profile
PaulW
Super Nomad
****




Posts: 1375
Registered: 5-21-2013
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 02:35 PM


Hi Tom,
About the track. Coming from Hwy5 we joined the P Final road junction at 29 42.443, -114 19.766. And headed southeast. The road became difficult after that.
We stopped at a summit for lunch and after that the road got much easier. If you start at Coco's join my track at 29 32.771, -114 16.215. then head up the track.
Sure enough I neglected to make any WPs. Good luck in finding that lunch place on GE. Anyway the place were we stopped for lunch was wide and flat to allow an easy turn around.
At the mine area we did not stop due to time constraints, but for sure the road was easy both before and after the mine.
I need to add all the WPs to my track. Can you provide Lacy's Grave and the Pioneer mine?
I note that my track has a unexplained dropout. I wonder if that was lunch?? Dropout is at 29 24.144, -114 12.395.
View user's profile
JZ
Ultra Nomad
*****


Avatar


Posts: 2501
Registered: 10-3-2003
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 03:00 PM


How long would it take you to rip through this on a bike from Punta Final to Cocos?



See Baja California in 4K: https://youtu.be/4VNTIhRa6q0

Ever wanted to camp on a deserted island in the Sea of Cortez? https://youtu.be/g3ThXCm3XSA



View user's profile
PaulW
Super Nomad
****




Posts: 1375
Registered: 5-21-2013
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 03:13 PM


Don't know
Rich T is down there now with a bunch of bikes. Unless I misunderstood they are doing that track and green door and Cordorines. Ask him next week when they get back.
View user's profile
willardguy
Elite Nomad
******




Posts: 5665
Registered: 9-19-2009
Location: rosarito
Member Is Offline

Mood: im good

[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 03:25 PM


from the Lacy side where the road on the flats ends at an old corral, i've never been able to spot the trail from there...any photos?
View user's profile
PaulW
Super Nomad
****




Posts: 1375
Registered: 5-21-2013
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 05:03 PM



Several ways to the start of the trail from the north
Get to our track from the coast area near Molino Lacy
Follow the road to the 90 deg turn at the blue line


After that there is another 90 deg left. And so on to the track up the canyon.




[Edited on 3-23-2018 by PaulW]
View user's profile
David K
Honored Nomad
*********


Avatar


Posts: 53669
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline

Mood: Have Baja Fever

[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 05:12 PM


Lacy's Grave, Molino de Lacy: 29.708324, -114.327739

The road south to Pioneer Mine leads away from the Molino hill to the south from the road that circles the hill.

Here is a GPS point on the road, just south of Molino de Lacy, easy to see on Google Earth: 29.701837, -114.322915

Here's a photo of the road as it leaves Molino de Lacy, taken from the top of the hill. The road is along the right side of the south-facing photo:







"So Much Baja, So Little Time..."

A Baja Missions History book, updated in 2018: http://oldmissions.com

My (over 50) Baja Bound Travel Adventure articles: https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/

My Baja web site, to help you plan your adventure: http://VivaBaja.com

My 2018 Maps: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=88771
View user's profile Visit user's homepage
TMW
Select Nomad
*******




Posts: 9429
Registered: 9-1-2003
Location: Bakersfield, CA
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 05:25 PM


Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  

I need to add all the WPs to my track. Can you provide Lacy's Grave and the Pioneer mine?
I note that my track has a unexplained dropout. I wonder if that was lunch?? Dropout is at 29 24.144, -114 12.395.


Lacy's grave is at 29-42.49x114-19.62. On GE I see either a concrete pad or some buildings. Could that be the mine area. It is near 29-36.12x114-16.46. Your dropout at 29-24.144x114-12.395 is in the Calamajue wash a little more than a mile from the mission site.
View user's profile
PaulW
Super Nomad
****




Posts: 1375
Registered: 5-21-2013
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 06:31 PM


The hill and grave
View user's profile
willardguy
Elite Nomad
******




Posts: 5665
Registered: 9-19-2009
Location: rosarito
Member Is Offline

Mood: im good

[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 06:46 PM


okay when you drop down to the military checkpoint and look south there's a road, straight as an arrow that dead-ends at the base of the mountains....is this the trail head?
View user's profile
PaulW
Super Nomad
****




Posts: 1375
Registered: 5-21-2013
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 06:50 PM


Looked it up


Thanks Tom Here is the mine




[Edited on 3-23-2018 by PaulW]

[Edited on 3-23-2018 by PaulW]
View user's profile
David K
Honored Nomad
*********


Avatar


Posts: 53669
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline

Mood: Have Baja Fever

[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 06:56 PM


Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
okay when you drop down to the military checkpoint and look south there's a road, straight as an arrow that dead-ends at the base of the mountains....is this the trail head?

No. That is not the road to the mine, but you do use a short section of it get to Molino de Lacy, where the mine road begins.


[Edited on 3-23-2018 by David K]




"So Much Baja, So Little Time..."

A Baja Missions History book, updated in 2018: http://oldmissions.com

My (over 50) Baja Bound Travel Adventure articles: https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/

My Baja web site, to help you plan your adventure: http://VivaBaja.com

My 2018 Maps: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=88771
View user's profile Visit user's homepage
PaulW
Super Nomad
****




Posts: 1375
Registered: 5-21-2013
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 07:01 PM


Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
okay when you drop down to the military checkpoint and look south there's a road, straight as an arrow that dead-ends at the base of the mountains....is this the trail head?

=======
That is correct. That straight line puts you at the our first 90 deg turn. Trail head could be any of the road intersections on our track. Best landmark would be the Lacy grave hill.

The easy way Leave Hwy5 at ~K156 and head east along good roads to the start of the trail. Find the break in the fence with a road and make the two 90deg turns. Then pass by the Lacy grave hill. A short distance later you enter the overgrown difficult wash.
More description on the first post link.



[Edited on 3-23-2018 by PaulW]

[Edited on 3-23-2018 by PaulW]
View user's profile
PaulW
Super Nomad
****




Posts: 1375
Registered: 5-21-2013
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 07:06 PM


FIXED Thanks David

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Paul, the mission is on the east side of the arroyo, across from where the road drops down into the arroyo.

=====
Cannot trust the web. Have you got some coords so I can correct my post?

[Edited on 3-23-2018 by PaulW]
View user's profile
David K
Honored Nomad
*********


Avatar


Posts: 53669
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline

Mood: Have Baja Fever

[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 07:09 PM


Yes, in my book... lol, also in Nomad, but easiest in my website at www.vivabaja.com/bajamissions and go to the Calamajue/Santa Maria page.

Here is the direct page link: www.vivabaja.com/bajamissions/page8.html

Paul, I just bumped up my Baja Missions from Space post, which has the GPS for each with the space photo.

[Edited on 3-23-2018 by David K]




"So Much Baja, So Little Time..."

A Baja Missions History book, updated in 2018: http://oldmissions.com

My (over 50) Baja Bound Travel Adventure articles: https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/

My Baja web site, to help you plan your adventure: http://VivaBaja.com

My 2018 Maps: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=88771
View user's profile Visit user's homepage
willardguy
Elite Nomad
******




Posts: 5665
Registered: 9-19-2009
Location: rosarito
Member Is Offline

Mood: im good

[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 07:24 PM


Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
okay when you drop down to the military checkpoint and look south there's a road, straight as an arrow that dead-ends at the base of the mountains....is this the trail head?

=======
That is correct. That straight line puts you at the our first 90 deg turn. Trail head could be any of the road intersections on our track. Best landmark would be the Lacy grave hill.

The easy way Leave Hwy5 at ~K156 and head east along good roads to the start of the trail. Find the break in the fence with a road and make the two 90deg turns. Then pass by the Lacy grave hill. A short distance later you enter the overgrown difficult wash.
More description on the first post link.



[Edited on 3-23-2018 by PaulW]

[Edited on 3-23-2018 by PaulW]


gracias, now im on board! I couldn't believe you guy could ramble up that mountain!
View user's profile
4x4abc
Super Nomad
****


Avatar


Posts: 1355
Registered: 4-24-2009
Location: La Paz, BCS
Member Is Offline

Mood: happy - always

[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 07:24 PM


the new mining camp in the image is not Pioneer Mine
Pioneer mIne is at 29.624992°, -114.268906°




Harald Pietschmann
View user's profile Visit user's homepage
PaulW
Super Nomad
****




Posts: 1375
Registered: 5-21-2013
Member Is Offline


[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 07:40 PM


Thanks Harald
With all the help from the others I think I now have all the images corrected?
View user's profile
4x4abc
Super Nomad
****


Avatar


Posts: 1355
Registered: 4-24-2009
Location: La Paz, BCS
Member Is Offline

Mood: happy - always

[*] posted on 3-22-2018 at 09:19 PM


the camp south of Pioneer Mine is a different entity
could never find out whether it had a name - not even Coco had one
it was quite active for some years
the digging was around 29.628014°, -114.284146°




Harald Pietschmann
View user's profile Visit user's homepage
 Pages:  1    3

  Go To Top

 






All Content Copyright � 1997- Q87 International; All Rights Reserved.
Powered by XMB; XMB Forum Software © 2001-2014 The XMB Group�






"If it were lush and rich, one could understand the pull, but it is fierce and hostile and sullen. The stone mountains pile up to the sky and there is little fresh water. But we know we must go back if we live, and we don't know why." - Steinbeck, Log from the Sea of Cortez

"People don't care how much you know, until they know how much you care." - Ivan R. Misner, Ph.D

"You can easily judge the character of others by how they treat those who they think can do nothing for them or to them." - Malcolm Forbes

"Let others lead small lives, but not you. Let others argue over small things, but not you. Let others cry over small hurts, but not you. Let others leave their future in someone else's hands, but not you." - Jim Rohn







Thank you to Baja Bound Mexico Insurance Services for your long-term support of the BajaNomad.com Forums site.







Emergency Baja Contacts Include:

Desert Hawks; El Rosario-based ambulance transport; Emergency #: (616) 103-0262