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Pioneer Mine Road
Documenting this trip so persons searching Nomads can find it.
This was the original road before Highway 5 was built. It went from Hwy1 at El Crucero thru Calamajue canyon past the Pioneer Mine and on to Punta
Final. The hard portion when heading north starts just north of the mine at the summit.
People interested in the details go to the report at:
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http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=82414
Look near the last message
On my settings it was on page 3. Your page is probably different?
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Paul where is the roughest part of the trail between Lacy's grave and the road to Cocos or is all about the same.
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Hi Tom,
About the track. Coming from Hwy5 we joined the P Final road junction at 29 42.443, -114 19.766. And headed southeast. The road became difficult after
that.
We stopped at a summit for lunch and after that the road got much easier. If you start at Coco's join my track at 29 32.771, -114 16.215. then head
up the track.
Sure enough I neglected to make any WPs. Good luck in finding that lunch place on GE. Anyway the place were we stopped for lunch was wide and flat to
allow an easy turn around.
At the mine area we did not stop due to time constraints, but for sure the road was easy both before and after the mine.
I need to add all the WPs to my track. Can you provide Lacy's Grave and the Pioneer mine?
I note that my track has a unexplained dropout. I wonder if that was lunch?? Dropout is at 29 24.144, -114 12.395.
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How long would it take you to rip through this on a bike from Punta Final to Cocos?
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Don't know
Rich T is down there now with a bunch of bikes. Unless I misunderstood they are doing that track and green door and Cordorines. Ask him next week when
they get back.
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from the Lacy side where the road on the flats ends at an old corral, i've never been able to spot the trail from there...any photos?
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Several ways to the start of the trail from the north
Get to our track from the coast area near Molino Lacy
Follow the road to the 90 deg turn at the blue line
After that there is another 90 deg left. And so on to the track up the canyon.
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Lacy's Grave, Molino de Lacy: 29.708324, -114.327739
The road south to Pioneer Mine leads away from the Molino hill to the south from the road that circles the hill.
Here is a GPS point on the road, just south of Molino de Lacy, easy to see on Google Earth: 29.701837, -114.322915
Here's a photo of the road as it leaves Molino de Lacy, taken from the top of the hill. The road is along the right side of the south-facing photo:
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Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  |
I need to add all the WPs to my track. Can you provide Lacy's Grave and the Pioneer mine?
I note that my track has a unexplained dropout. I wonder if that was lunch?? Dropout is at 29 24.144, -114 12.395. |
Lacy's grave is at 29-42.49x114-19.62. On GE I see either a concrete pad or some buildings. Could that be the mine area. It is near
29-36.12x114-16.46. Your dropout at 29-24.144x114-12.395 is in the Calamajue wash a little more than a mile from the mission site.
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The hill and grave
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okay when you drop down to the military checkpoint and look south there's a road, straight as an arrow that dead-ends at the base of the
mountains....is this the trail head?
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Looked it up
Thanks Tom Here is the mine
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| Quote: Originally posted by willardguy | | okay when you drop down to the military checkpoint and look south there's a road, straight as an arrow that dead-ends at the base of the
mountains....is this the trail head? |
No. That is not the road to the mine, but you do use a short section of it get to Molino de Lacy, where the mine road begins.
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| Quote: Originally posted by willardguy | | okay when you drop down to the military checkpoint and look south there's a road, straight as an arrow that dead-ends at the base of the
mountains....is this the trail head? |
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That is correct. That straight line puts you at the our first 90 deg turn. Trail head could be any of the road intersections on our track. Best
landmark would be the Lacy grave hill.
The easy way Leave Hwy5 at ~K156 and head east along good roads to the start of the trail. Find the break in the fence with a road and make the two
90deg turns. Then pass by the Lacy grave hill. A short distance later you enter the overgrown difficult wash.
More description on the first post link.
[Edited on 3-23-2018 by PaulW]
[Edited on 3-23-2018 by PaulW]
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FIXED Thanks David
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Paul, the mission is on the east side of the arroyo, across from where the road drops down into the arroyo. |
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Cannot trust the web. Have you got some coords so I can correct my post?
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Yes, in my book... lol, also in Nomad, but easiest in my website at www.vivabaja.com/bajamissions and go to the Calamajue/Santa Maria page.
Here is the direct page link: www.vivabaja.com/bajamissions/page8.html
Paul, I just bumped up my Baja Missions from Space post, which has the GPS for each with the space photo.
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| Quote: Originally posted by PaulW | | Quote: Originally posted by willardguy | | okay when you drop down to the military checkpoint and look south there's a road, straight as an arrow that dead-ends at the base of the
mountains....is this the trail head? |
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That is correct. That straight line puts you at the our first 90 deg turn. Trail head could be any of the road intersections on our track. Best
landmark would be the Lacy grave hill.
The easy way Leave Hwy5 at ~K156 and head east along good roads to the start of the trail. Find the break in the fence with a road and make the two
90deg turns. Then pass by the Lacy grave hill. A short distance later you enter the overgrown difficult wash.
More description on the first post link.
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gracias, now im on board! I couldn't believe you guy could ramble up that mountain!
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the new mining camp in the image is not Pioneer Mine
Pioneer mIne is at 29.624992°, -114.268906°
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Thanks Harald
With all the help from the others I think I now have all the images corrected?
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the camp south of Pioneer Mine is a different entity
could never find out whether it had a name - not even Coco had one
it was quite active for some years
the digging was around 29.628014°, -114.284146°
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