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[*] posted on 3-31-2018 at 08:32 AM
Highway 5 Coco's Bypass on Satellite Images March 2018




Discovered the new construction all the way to Hwy. 1 is now on some satellite images. Labels and highlight lines added to the older road. The new highway route is close to where I had estimated it before.










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[*] posted on 3-31-2018 at 08:54 AM


Very interesting
One of our favorite camp sites is in that photo,
but we are sworn to secrecy as to its exact location.

Poor Coco.
Some will wander over to see him, but not many
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[*] posted on 3-31-2018 at 10:09 AM


One bit of interest, I had believed the Camino Real went south from Las Arrastras and into the valley south of Coco's before crossing through the mountains using a canyon, to Calamajué. Howard Gulick placed it that way in 1954 based on what prospectors or ranchers told him and I could see a trail in this stretch on satellite images. It may have been a parallel trail... the Camino Real is not always just one route between points.

However, Harry Crosby mapped it going north from Calamajué and basically paralleling the dirt road to Las Arrastras.

Well, the GPS Google Earth map from Kevin (after many searches north from Calamajué) found the old trail and he places it about where Harry had. The 'good news' is that Highway 5 south from Las Arrastras is not obliterating El Camino Real, after all.




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[*] posted on 3-31-2018 at 11:43 AM


Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  
Very interesting
One of our favorite camp sites is in that photo,
but we are sworn to secrecy as to its exact location.

Poor Coco.
Some will wander over to see him, but not many




Coco should just take his disgusting collection of panties and toilets either 3.8 miles northwest or 4.6 miles southwest and set up shop:light: His shack could be rebuilt in day or two:light:.
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[*] posted on 3-31-2018 at 11:54 AM


Coco will be OK. Those that want to drop by his place will and those that don't won't. He has many friends especially in the off road community that enjoy visiting him and will continue to do so.
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Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
Coco will be OK. Those that want to drop by his place will and those that don't won't. He has many friends especially in the off road community that enjoy visiting him and will continue to do so.


True, plus he is along the road to California's 17th mission site, located at Calamajué 1766-1767. ;)




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[*] posted on 3-31-2018 at 02:30 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Discovered the new construction all the way to Hwy. 1 is now on some satellite images.


I looked at Google Maps and (reluctantly) Bing, but I'm not seeing the new alignment -- where are you seeing these?




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[*] posted on 3-31-2018 at 07:12 PM


how do you get the images?




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[*] posted on 3-31-2018 at 07:44 PM


looks like maybe Earthstar Geographics (based on the second map) where the Author is SUPPOSED to abide by the licensing agreement. Hopefully no one turns this one in.

The Licensee accepts Earthstar Geographics copyright of the Data and agrees to "place copyright notice "copyright Earthstar Geographics" on the Data when distributed"

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Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
looks like maybe Earthstar Geographics (based on the second map) where the Author is SUPPOSED to abide by the licensing agreement. Hopefully no one turns this one in.

The Licensee accepts Earthstar Geographics copyright of the Data and agrees to "place copyright notice "copyright Earthstar Geographics" on the Data when distributed"

http://www.terracolor.net/index.html


Silly rabbit! Items posted on the internet are free! copyright law does not apply! :lol::lol:




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Sample images posted for educational purposes only.



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[*] posted on 4-1-2018 at 08:07 AM


coco told me a year or two ago that he owned property along the new route. and would be moving his lingerie/ bath fixture display to the new location.
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[*] posted on 4-1-2018 at 08:12 AM


I am anxiously waiting for your map of these old roads

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
One bit of interest, I had believed the Camino Real went south from Las Arrastras and into the valley south of Coco's before crossing through the mountains using a canyon, to Calamajué. Howard Gulick placed it that way in 1954 based on what prospectors or ranchers told him and I could see a trail in this stretch on satellite images. It may have been a parallel trail... the Camino Real is not always just one route between points.

However, Harry Crosby mapped it going north from Calamajué and basically paralleling the dirt road to Las Arrastras.

Well, the GPS Google Earth map from Kevin (after many searches north from Calamajué) found the old trail and he places it about where Harry had. The 'good news' is that Highway 5 south from Las Arrastras is not obliterating El Camino Real, after all.
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Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
coco told me a year or two ago that he owned property along the new route. and would be moving his lingerie/ bath fixture display to the new location.


Interesting, 5 years ago or so he told me he did not own the property he lived on... (he was a squatter) and therefore could move at anytime (He was having health problems and contemplating moving to Guerrero Negro or back to Ensenada. Alas, he has some large tales to tell...and I am sure there would be a crowd of volunteers to help him move (ownership or not).
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Can the rest of of us get the images or do you have a paid account to get them?
The Earthstar web page was not helpful for me.

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
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Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
Can the rest of of us get the images or do you have a paid account to get them?
The Earthstar web page was not helpful for me.

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Sample images posted for educational purposes only.


They are free, on the Internet.
Edit, I sent you a u2u.
arcgis.com/ is the site. Just change the basemap setting.

[Edited on 4-1-2018 by David K]




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Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
I am anxiously waiting for your map of these old roads

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
One bit of interest, I had believed the Camino Real went south from Las Arrastras and into the valley south of Coco's before crossing through the mountains using a canyon, to Calamajué. Howard Gulick placed it that way in 1954 based on what prospectors or ranchers told him and I could see a trail in this stretch on satellite images. It may have been a parallel trail... the Camino Real is not always just one route between points.

However, Harry Crosby mapped it going north from Calamajué and basically paralleling the dirt road to Las Arrastras.

Well, the GPS Google Earth map from Kevin (after many searches north from Calamajué) found the old trail and he places it about where Harry had. The 'good news' is that Highway 5 south from Las Arrastras is not obliterating El Camino Real, after all.


Thanks... that is now my current project. Max Kurillo and I are going to revive and supplement Harry Crosby's book, Gateway to Alta California. In it, Harry and his team have found and mapped the Serra/ Crespi 1769 trail from Mission San Fernando de Velicatá to San Diego. It basically was the continuation of Harry's 'The King's Highway in Baja California' with more detailed maps thanks to GPS. I thought that including the rest of the trail up from Loreto to San Fernando would be a nice addition and Max agreed.

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[*] posted on 4-1-2018 at 09:13 AM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
Can the rest of of us get the images or do you have a paid account to get them?
The Earthstar web page was not helpful for me.

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Sample images posted for educational purposes only.


They are free, on the Internet.
Edit, I sent you a u2u.
arcgis.com/ is the site. Just change the basemap setting.

[Edited on 4-1-2018 by David K]


They are only “free” for personal use, and only in accordance with the agreement you entered into with esri.




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[*] posted on 4-1-2018 at 09:59 AM


The missions and Baja California are very personal with me... Just like you telling others what they can do or not do is.



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all I see is the 21 day free trial otherwise it is $9/month billed annually?
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