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[*] posted on 4-28-2018 at 12:13 PM


Interestingly enough DK!

I am, however, inclined to follow Ron's assessment on the area.

I remember the first time I drove to the point was during a Jeep run back in the mid-seventies.
The second time I went there was with Jana in a Subaru Outback wagon. With lower air pressure and careful driving (I.E. previous experience in driving very loose soil), one can make it to the point.

That particular drive also introduced Jana to the outhouse that was perched at the cliff's edge in La Chorera. I used to have photos of it, but sadly those and many other thousands were burned up in my house fire in the states.




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[*] posted on 4-28-2018 at 12:38 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Udo  
Interestingly enough DK!

I am, however, inclined to follow Ron's assessment on the area.

I remember the first time I drove to the point was during a Jeep run back in the mid-seventies.
The second time I went there was with Jana in a Subaru Outback wagon. With lower air pressure and careful driving (I.E. previous experience in driving very loose soil), one can make it to the point.

That particular drive also introduced Jana to the outhouse that was perched at the cliff's edge in La Chorera. I used to have photos of it, but sadly those and many other thousands were burned up in my house fire in the states.


The location point on that google map link is the gate installed by Terra Peninsular in their attempt to gain control of the area. They don't have the land titles, just an ecological protection order but they are currently involved in a court fight with the land title owners and the latest news is that it is not going well for Terra in their injunction request

Punta Mazo (Cabo San Quintin) is the southern point of the peninsular arm that creates the greater San Quintin Bay.

That famous outdoor toilet here in La Chorera that was cemented onto some shoreline volcanic rock broke up and was washed away over a decade back in a huge swell. I had a photo at one time - let me see if I can find it on one of my photo drives...




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[*] posted on 4-29-2018 at 08:36 AM


I would appreciate a copy if you can find the photo, Ron. You have my e-mail and FB profile. I think the easiest way to send it is via FB. BTW...I have a couple of boxes of couscous for you for the next time we go south to your oyster farm.


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Quote: Originally posted by Udo  
Interestingly enough DK!

I am, however, inclined to follow Ron's assessment on the area.

I remember the first time I drove to the point was during a Jeep run back in the mid-seventies.
The second time I went there was with Jana in a Subaru Outback wagon. With lower air pressure and careful driving (I.E. previous experience in driving very loose soil), one can make it to the point.

That particular drive also introduced Jana to the outhouse that was perched at the cliff's edge in La Chorera. I used to have photos of it, but sadly those and many other thousands were burned up in my house fire in the states.


The location point on that google map link is the gate installed by Terra Peninsular in their attempt to gain control of the area. They don't have the land titles, just an ecological protection order but they are currently involved in a court fight with the land title owners and the latest news is that it is not going well for Terra in their injunction request

Punta Mazo (Cabo San Quintin) is the southern point of the peninsular arm that creates the greater San Quintin Bay.

That famous outdoor toilet here in La Chorera that was cemented onto some shoreline volcanic rock broke up and was washed away over a decade back in a huge swell. I had a photo at one time - let me see if I can find it on one of my photo drives...




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[*] posted on 4-29-2018 at 03:32 PM


I called it the point at San Quintin(Cabo San Quintin). The first fence in the early eighties could be gotten around by jumping off the gravel road just before Short Beach Fish Camp and going through the sand dunes. The spikes in the road were disappointing. The vibe I was escaping from at Swamis had arrived at the point.:(
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[*] posted on 4-29-2018 at 07:36 PM


I can't imagine that Terra Peninsular would allow anything like that now.
They drive down there all the time now. The very thing they are trying to stop.
The San Diego Natural History Museum ran an article about Tera and the rediscovering of the "extinct" San Quintin Kangaroo Rat.
They have credibility both in Mexico and the US.
I seriously have my doubts that the land will be taken back from them at this point.
But Mexico is a land of wonders... natural and otherwise so "only God knows..."😎




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[*] posted on 4-29-2018 at 08:01 PM


Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck  
I can't imagine that Terra Peninsular would allow anything like that now.
They drive down there all the time now. The very thing they are trying to stop.
The San Diego Natural History Museum ran an article about Tera and the rediscovering of the "extinct" San Quintin Kangaroo Rat.
They have credibility both in Mexico and the US.
I seriously have my doubts that the land will be taken back from them at this point.
But Mexico is a land of wonders... natural and otherwise so "only God knows..."😎



That ship has already sailed Mike. I agree with you that Terra Peninsular is doing a very good show of trying to make their claims appear legitimate with all the fencing, gates and such but the Supreme Court of Mexico had the final say back in 2015 When they awarded the land titles to the fishermen.

Terra's only claim now is based on some precarious ecological protection orders that are hanging by a string now that they have no land titles to support them.

But you are right - this is Mexico so anything could happen...




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[*] posted on 4-29-2018 at 08:25 PM


Quote: Originally posted by BajaGringo  
Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck  
I can't imagine that Terra Peninsular would allow anything like that now.
They drive down there all the time now. The very thing they are trying to stop.
The San Diego Natural History Museum ran an article about Tera and the rediscovering of the "extinct" San Quintin Kangaroo Rat.
They have credibility both in Mexico and the US.
I seriously have my doubts that the land will be taken back from them at this point.
But Mexico is a land of wonders... natural and otherwise so "only God knows..."😎



That ship has already sailed Mike. I agree with you that Terra Peninsular is doing a very good show of trying to make their claims appear legitimate with all the fencing, gates and such but the Supreme Court of Mexico had the final say back in 2015 When they awarded the land titles to the fishermen.

Terra's only claim now is based on some precarious ecological protection orders that are hanging by a string now that they have no land titles to support them.

But you are right - this is Mexico so anything could happen...


This is mexico, so it is likely tha greed will destroy the land.

Have the fishermen cashed in yet and sold to a developer?

:no:
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So sad to see the land turned over to people that just care about a quick buck

Sad that mexico has so little public and protected land.

The usa’s greatest asset is its vast public lands open for public recreation,... hope trump and gop dont get their way and sell off the public lands :fire:

[Edited on 4-30-2018 by mtgoat666]




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[*] posted on 4-30-2018 at 07:08 PM


Quote: Originally posted by BajaGringo  
Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck  
I can't imagine that Terra Peninsular would allow anything like that now.
They drive down there all the time now. The very thing they are trying to stop.
The San Diego Natural History Museum ran an article about Tera and the rediscovering of the "extinct" San Quintin Kangaroo Rat.
They have credibility both in Mexico and the US.
I seriously have my doubts that the land will be taken back from them at this point.
But Mexico is a land of wonders... natural and otherwise so "only God knows..."😎



That ship has already sailed Mike. I agree with you that Terra Peninsular is doing a very good show of trying to make their claims appear legitimate with all the fencing, gates and such but the Supreme Court of Mexico had the final say back in 2015 When they awarded the land titles to the fishermen.

Terra's only claim now is based on some precarious ecological protection orders that are hanging by a string now that they have no land titles to support them.

But you are right - this is Mexico so anything could happen...


So is that where this is at? Is any of the current ruling on the titles public record.
I don't doubt you but it's hard for me to pursue this with just hearsay. How does one follow along with this case?
Where are the hearings etc? Are they open to the public?
It all seems so distant... and suspicious.
If ask the guys at Terra they will have a different story. They will say they are winning. They will say the land is theirs.





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[*] posted on 5-13-2018 at 08:46 PM


I've been out there a bunch and it's a beautiful place. Good fishing and tons of sea life. Lots of sharp volcanic rock to try to surf over if your into that. Even worse, some of La Jollas most decorated locals selfishly guard the place, the few times a year that it breaks.

They sell oysters by the dozen for cheap in the bay and they are delicious with a little hot sauce, tequila and lime. You can also find Pismo clams in the sand on the long beach. Or get stuck having to traverse in the deeper sand at a higher tide. The hike up to the volcanoes on the way out is a must do.

I've always wondered what the concrete shrine is about at the point. Its getting harder to read now, but it shows a picture of a doctor. I always figured that guy must have either loved that spot, or died there?
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[*] posted on 8-2-2018 at 12:51 PM


Gents, I've read through the thread, but am a bit confused. Can you get all the way out to Cabo San Quintin currently, or is it gated off somehow now? Was going to run the kids down there in a couple of week.
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[*] posted on 8-29-2018 at 10:51 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Bajakiter  
Yep, that's a tricky spot to get it good even when a S. swell is in the forecast.
Not saying that do discourage anyone from going there, it's just the way that place is.

Love that all these folks are getting :mad: about a spot they think they are locals at and want it kept secret.

Before anyone replies with some crap comment, let me stop you right there.

I have owned a house in Cielito Lindo for over 25yrs and have been surfing that spot and most all of Baja for way way longer. Having a home (If any decent waves are breaking there, I can see it from my balcony) that close and being able to launch my boat right out front or at the mouth of the bay (10min boat ride). So, I would guess that I've surfed out there more than anyone else on a consistent basis.

Have I seen 50 guys out when a swell is running? :lol:No...
I'll be lucky to see more than a handful at most & 99% of the time it's empty and I surf it by myself.
Did I see this group of guys out there, yes.
Did they see me, probably not since I did not come close enough to shore (it was a fishing day).

Over the years, I've encountered a few self described "locals" (all Americans) that at first are shocked that I show up via a boat, then they start asking me all sorts of questions and telling me not to give this "secret place up". I laugh and tell them, they are NOT locals, so don't go around acting as if they are. That's exactly the sort of chit that gets folks in trouble and it only shows your total lack of ignorance.

Has anyone of these "locals" gotten :fire: and tried to run me off from surfing there, unfortunately yes. Did that end well for them, :lol: No...
They were greeted a few hours later by a group of local fisherman that "Helped" :saint: them on their way into town and then were escorted out of town by the local police.

Do I consider myself a local of that area? No, why you may ask?
I was not born there and I don't own that particular area of land.

Are there local fishing boat guys taking surfer out there for the day or a few hours from the Old Mill? Yes, it's very seldom as they charge the same rates as a fishing day trip.

There are NO, Zero, Nada, secret surf spots in Baja! Just because YOU think you are the only one(s) surfing it, does not mean no one else knows about it.

Trust me when I tell you that I know way more Mexican surfers that laugh when they hear of secret surfing spots in Baja or in Mexico in general.

Fishbuck, The spot farther South with the landing strip is Solo Sports in Punta San Carlos. The landing strip is in great shape as planes fly in and out of there every Sat with guest. I'm headed down there to see Kevin (owner), Joey and the rest of crew for the next two weeks. If you are flying down, you'll clearly see the base camp on the side of the cliff and the number 28 painted on concrete at the beginning of the landing strip.

Right on, Bajakiter; some of these folks think that they own Baja or in some way that they are a "Baja Pioneer". The place known as "El Playon" (Punta Mazo) to locals and us Baja veterans has a very beautiful formation of tidepools known as "Los Molcajetes". About 300 yards from the tip there is a very steep, sandy hill accessible with 4X4 only. On the other side you will find "Los Molcajetes". The tidepools are shaped exactly like giant mortars, hence the name "Molcajetes". Up until a few years ago, we would harvest a five-gallon bucket of the most delicious limpets. It is a lot of work getting them but well worth the effort and time.
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[*] posted on 9-15-2018 at 01:56 AM


Hey bajakiter..... I have boated out there handful of times on a 16ft 60HP side console zodiac. All from the Old Mill. It's a pretty long and rough haul. Two questions: 1}how easy is it to launch right across form the point? I have seen people doing it. And most importantly, 2} where do you anchor? I'm always stressing because there really isn't any protection from the harsh winds, the fast tidal current and the swells. I spend more time out there watching my boat the I do looking for the set waves.
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[*] posted on 9-15-2018 at 01:58 AM


.....then I do looking for set waves.
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[*] posted on 9-15-2018 at 12:02 PM


I should clarify. 6-8 years ago on a uuuge south we pulled up and there was 20+ trucks spread along the point. Each one had 2-4 people milling about watching 10 guys dodge closeouts.

We left and surfed Pterodactyls.

[Edited on 9-15-2018 by woody with a view]




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