StuckSucks
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Solar Energy Battery Storage With Tesla Powerwall
Heads up, this is from Australia, but the same can be had in North America.
Solar Energy Battery Storage With Tesla Powerwall
$12499 for a 13.5 kWh system fully installed.
Each Powerwall battery pack is a self contained module consisting of battery cells, battery management system and an integrated AC/DC inverter.
Mutiple Powerwall battery packs can be daisy chained together. The battery packs are connected to the meter board via an AC circuit. The battery packs
will draw power from the AC circuit and start recharging when signaled by the Energy Gateway that the building is producing surplus energy and
exporting to the grid. The batteries will discharge power into the AC circuit when signaled by the Energy Gateway that the building is importing
energy from the grid. The building draws from the external grid when the Powerwall reaches its reserve.
Each Powerwall battery pack has a usable capacity of 13.5 kWh and a discharge rate of 5 kW continuous and 7 kW peak. Up to 9 Powerwall battery packs
can be installed in a cluster.
The Powerwall has a 10 year warranty.
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Interesting to see if the price comes down in the next couple years. Thats too big a nut for a lot of people
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Tesla shows two 13.5 kWh Powerwalls for $12,500 with supporting hardware and typical installation cost from $800 to $2000.
Fun fact: In Florida by law grid tied solar panels without battery banks in homes must be shut down when the grid is down, like during and after the
hurricanes last year. So even if they are functional and the mandatory grid disconnect switch is locked open you still can't use them.
And even if you install a full battery backed off grid capable system by law you must remain connected to the grid or you lose your certificate of
occupancy.
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Quote: Originally posted by DavidT  |
Tesla shows two 13.5 kWh Powerwalls for $12,500 with supporting hardware and typical installation cost from $800 to $2000.
Fun fact: In Florida by law grid tied solar panels without battery banks in homes must be shut down when the grid is down, like during and after the
hurricanes last year. So even if they are functional and the mandatory grid disconnect switch is locked open you still can't use them.
And even if you install a full battery backed off grid capable system by law you must remain connected to the grid or you lose your certificate of
occupancy.
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Utility companies have a strong lobby.
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be very interesting to see the " off grid" version,,,,,,,,,,Baja would be a great market to see if they hold up.......Looks like the Outback systems
will have to do for a few more years
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Is below ground installation part of the powerwall spec. ???
Concern is physical security and optimal performance
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| Quote: Originally posted by ehall | | Quote: Originally posted by DavidT |
Tesla shows two 13.5 kWh Powerwalls for $12,500 with supporting hardware and typical installation cost from $800 to $2000.
Fun fact: In Florida by law grid tied solar panels without battery banks in homes must be shut down when the grid is down, like during and after the
hurricanes last year. So even if they are functional and the mandatory grid disconnect switch is locked open you still can't use them.
And even if you install a full battery backed off grid capable system by law you must remain connected to the grid or you lose your certificate of
occupancy.
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Utility companies have a strong lobby. |
the requirement to automatically shutoff solar power feed during transmission grid outage is to protect line workers. If the line is de-energized to
allow safe work on lines, you need to prevent all the solar producers from energizing that line.
perhaps if batteries become more common a new safe disconnect system will come about?
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
the requirement to automatically shutoff solar power feed during transmission grid outage is to protect line workers. If the line is de-energized to
allow safe work on lines, you need to prevent all the solar producers from energizing that line. |
I learned this the hard way at the office. We are totally solar there, but LA City power went down outside, so we did too (for the reason mentioned).
I'm optimistic that we will eventually figure a way to keep our building alive while protecting electrical workers outside.
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| Quote: Originally posted by StuckSucks | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
the requirement to automatically shutoff solar power feed during transmission grid outage is to protect line workers. If the line is de-energized to
allow safe work on lines, you need to prevent all the solar producers from energizing that line. |
I learned this the hard way at the office. We are totally solar there, but LA City power went down outside, so we did too (for the reason mentioned).
I'm optimistic that we will eventually figure a way to keep our building alive while protecting electrical workers outside. |
Automatic transfer switches have been around for a long time. They are used on backup generators all the time.
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So is the Inverter in these systems a 5KW Inverter with 7K peaks? What is the voltage of the system, 48V?
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I'm sure its a slick looking box for the house
the inside is a bunch of littler batteries hooked together
(like a laptop battery)
with a built in charge controller and inverter
the voltage doesn't matter with something like this
because whatever you send to it it will convert it to what it needs
and give you 120v out
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Battery voltage is approx 600 volts. One of the reasons it is only sod with professional installation.
For comparison, 13.5 kW is equal to a 24-volt, 540 amp-hour battery bank. A comparable 24-volt forklift battery (12-85-13, 810 ah) is about $2000.
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So are the solar panels that you'd connect to this proprietary or can you use normal panels. Then....if normal panels, you could hook them up either
12, 24 or 48 and "it" would take care of the rest??
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This came out several years ago but Tesla was and probably is still having financial issues. It was originally put out by Elon musk at a hotel
conference years ago where he said it would be just over 2000 dollars to buy. The original goal was to even out the electric bills by having a smart
battery that would charge during lowest rate periods and then switch to full battery use for the home during peak rate times. But while his thinking
is top notch his financials are not. Tesla cars cost more than predicted by him. The solar tiles are more expensive than he said they would be. The
battery is more expensive. He is an amazing innovator and his thinking is beneficial to humanity but people should be skeptical of his business
practices. If Tesla goes down there is no one around right now to service or replace broken products. Most of Las Vegas is powered by his renewable
energy technologies and if I am not mistaken most of his conferences are powered by the batteries. A few hotels around the world use them as well.
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Tesla Powerwall 2 AC owners manual
Powerwall 2 AC Spec sheet
Powerwall 2 DC data sheet
Looks like it is 50 VDC in either the AC or DC Powerwall
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
the requirement to automatically shutoff solar power feed during transmission grid outage is to protect line workers. If the line is de-energized to
allow safe work on lines, you need to prevent all the solar producers from energizing that line.
perhaps if batteries become more common a new safe disconnect system will come about?
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As I understand it it also has to do with the systems needing to synchronize with each other and the grid is the master with individual systems
syncing to it.
With the grid down individual systems could sync with each other and cause problems when the grid comes online. All this in addition to protecting
linemen from a live wire.
However I believe that you can lock out the master disconnect, going off grid, and still not be allowed to use your solar panels in your own house.
Unless you also have battery backup, then you can go off grid and use your system during power outages but you can't legally disconnect from the grid
permanently.
David
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