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[*] posted on 5-1-2018 at 01:46 PM
Missing Yucca Plants


After riding up in forest and Rancho Meling area. There are many new bull dozer roads going nowhere. They are at it again may not have any Yucca plants left. Simi truck loads hauled off this has been going on for 3 years then came to stop. Was told made into meds sent to Japan. We have seen this as far as El Rosario. Any truth Meds sent to Japan from Yucca.
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[*] posted on 5-1-2018 at 02:05 PM


Sad, but to fill the demand for 'natural' products, cosmetic and shampoo makers are going out into Nature and taking them away.

From 2006, Yucca Tree (Datilillo) harvest east of El Rosario:





The smaller agaves (mescal) are also butchered for 'natural' products. These photos from south of El Rosario, near Punta San Antonio:





eeew Yucca Dew!




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[*] posted on 5-1-2018 at 02:07 PM


Seen them harvesting up by mellings and on the North road into Mikes. Wondered what they were using them for
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Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  
After riding up in forest and Rancho Meling area. There are many new bull dozer roads going nowhere. They are at it again may not have any Yucca plants left. Simi truck loads hauled off this has been going on for 3 years then came to stop. Was told made into meds sent to Japan. We have seen this as far as El Rosario. Any truth Meds sent to Japan from Yucca.


In the USA the harvesting from public land is regulated so it is sustainable. I don't know if harvesters in Mexico are following sustainable practices. I hope so, but...




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[*] posted on 5-1-2018 at 04:28 PM


I highly doubt it. Wonder how old the ones being cut are.
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[*] posted on 5-1-2018 at 04:32 PM


Sad enough to make a grown Man cry .......



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[*] posted on 5-1-2018 at 04:33 PM


Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  
After riding up in forest and Rancho Meling area. There are many new bull dozer roads going nowhere. They are at it again may not have any Yucca plants left. Simi truck loads hauled off this has been going on for 3 years then came to stop. Was told made into meds sent to Japan. We have seen this as far as El Rosario. Any truth Meds sent to Japan from Yucca.



Sad to hear BTR,, I was reading they use it for arthritis A powder made from the Root, between the yucca and totoaba the SOC & Peninsula doesn't stand a chance:no:




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[*] posted on 5-1-2018 at 04:50 PM


There is 'sustainable yield', and then there is 'get it before someone else does'. It probably doesn't even take a very large payday before greed trumps responsibility.



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[*] posted on 5-1-2018 at 04:51 PM


We are still riding soon as I get time post pictures with David. Of the 30 or more new roads They plowed this time alone one goes round trip past Hot Spring rancho. Maybe pasable with 4X4 how do the Mexicans do it lots of wrecked trucks I think.
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[*] posted on 5-1-2018 at 07:59 PM


Are the mehlings doing the raping? Or poachers?



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[*] posted on 5-1-2018 at 08:22 PM


The Yuccas being harvested (Yucca schidigera I think) are a sustainable harvest as they are cutting the trunks but leaving the base to regrow, albeit probably 20 or 30 years in that environment to regain their height. Hadn't heard of Agaves being harvested, that's a little dicier for sustainability depending how its done. I have seen the flowers cut off every now and then like the picture shows but by ranchers for their cattle to eat in lean times.
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[*] posted on 5-2-2018 at 05:54 AM


I saw the same thing out at Mike's Sky Rancho two weeks ago. We hiked up the arroyo to Rancho Las Truchas, and walked the road back to Mike's. Several bulldozed roads that looked fairly recent, just circled out and back. I was telling my buddy earlier in the day that as a kid up in Fillmore we had made soap from the yucca roots one time,

I asked Manuel at Mike's and he said for soap and sent to Japan. My Spanish was not good enough to pick up if he said meds from the yucca but he definitely mentioned "jabon." My buddy's jaw dropped cause he figured I was making up the story about yucca soap.

That must explain the cultivated fields on the way out to Mike's from Ensenada. I wondered about them last year when I drove out there.

So very sad to see, what a waste of a precious beauty.

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[*] posted on 5-2-2018 at 06:23 AM


Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
I saw the same thing out at Mike's Sky Rancho two weeks ago. We hiked up the arroyo to Rancho Las Truchas, and walked the road back to Mike's. Several bulldozed roads that looked fairly recent, just circled out and back. I was telling my buddy earlier in the day that as a kid up in Fillmore we had made soap from the yucca roots one time,

I asked Manuel at Mike's and he said for soap and sent to Japan. My Spanish was not good enough to pick up if he said meds from the yucca but he definitely mentioned "jabon." My buddy's jaw dropped cause he figured I was making up the story about yucca soap.

That must explain the cultivated fields on the way out to Mike's from Ensenada. I wondered about them last year when I drove out there.

So very sad to see, what a waste of a precious beauty.

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[Edited on 5-2-2018 by John Harper]


Yucca is a source of saponins. It’s a foaming agent, used in many products, not just soap. For example, it’s in root beer.

When I was a kid we made root beer. We did not add foaming agent.

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[*] posted on 5-2-2018 at 08:03 AM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
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.....the root beer float is one of the top 10 deserts of all time :bounce:


....and Key Lime pie is on that list....:coolup:

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[*] posted on 5-2-2018 at 10:16 AM


Very interesting, when the Squarecircle and I did the trip to the San Isidoro Visita there were piles of Yucca at the turn off. I never really gave it much thought other than thinking it was for fence post.
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[*] posted on 5-2-2018 at 12:35 PM


They most be getting good money Bull dozers/diesel fuel/ hauling dozers up there to work. Making new roads workers/feeding them/ paying off any ranchos that they work on. A old Mexican man told me. Us Mexicans are good at destroying our natural resource. There is a new maze of roads around Hot spring rancho that blocked off main route of travel. 1 Month ago on motos we found new road to bypass his fence. Now we know as 15 side roads cut from it. Road was not made to by pass Rancho was made to get more yucca. Must of peeed off the brother of Rancho that fenced off main route. Joke on him nothing he can do about it as not his property. Still sad for me no need for 15 more dead end roads with no Yucca. As far as are the taking them and protecting new growth you bet they are.
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[*] posted on 5-2-2018 at 01:36 PM


I was wondering how they got a dozer all the way out to Mike's without someone being aware of it. I don't really know what the ownership of the land is out there, maybe Mike's "ranch" is not that big?

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[*] posted on 5-2-2018 at 03:01 PM


Then region on an old Auto Club map. The hot spring ranch is Valladares, south of Meling Ranch and Concepcion is the former Baja Dark Skies Inn...



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[*] posted on 5-2-2018 at 03:12 PM


Wonder if PROFEPA (Federal Attorney for Environmental Protection) or SEMARNAT (Ministry of Environment and Natural Resources) in Ensenada is aware of this???

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[*] posted on 5-2-2018 at 04:15 PM


I stopped on the way out of Mike's at the area I think was the old landing strip. I'm not really sure cause it did not look like the satellite view I expected. Of course, neither did the arroyo.

There were some signs saying it was a natural area under restoration, not sure the exact wording. So, some environmental attention has been on this area. Maybe I should contact someone? A little late now, but maybe they can find these scumbag's dozer and disable it.

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