| Pages:
1
2
3 |
bajatrailrider
Super Nomad
Posts: 2423
Registered: 1-24-2015
Location: Mexico
Member Is Offline
Mood: Happy
|
|
Missing Yucca Plants
After riding up in forest and Rancho Meling area. There are many new bull dozer roads going nowhere. They are at it again may not have any Yucca
plants left. Simi truck loads hauled off this has been going on for 3 years then came to stop. Was told made into meds sent to Japan. We have seen
this as far as El Rosario. Any truth Meds sent to Japan from Yucca.
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64476
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
Sad, but to fill the demand for 'natural' products, cosmetic and shampoo makers are going out into Nature and taking them away.
From 2006, Yucca Tree (Datilillo) harvest east of El Rosario:
The smaller agaves (mescal) are also butchered for 'natural' products. These photos from south of El Rosario, near Punta San Antonio:
eeew Yucca Dew!
|
|
|
ehall
Super Nomad
Posts: 1906
Registered: 3-29-2014
Location: Buckeye, Az
Member Is Offline
Mood: It's 5 o'clock somewhere
|
|
Seen them harvesting up by mellings and on the North road into Mikes. Wondered what they were using them for
|
|
|
mtgoat666
Select Nomad
Posts: 17280
Registered: 9-16-2006
Location: San Diego
Member Is Offline
Mood: Hot n spicy
|
|
Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  | | After riding up in forest and Rancho Meling area. There are many new bull dozer roads going nowhere. They are at it again may not have any Yucca
plants left. Simi truck loads hauled off this has been going on for 3 years then came to stop. Was told made into meds sent to Japan. We have seen
this as far as El Rosario. Any truth Meds sent to Japan from Yucca. |
In the USA the harvesting from public land is regulated so it is sustainable. I don't know if harvesters in Mexico are following sustainable
practices. I hope so, but...
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
|
|
|
ehall
Super Nomad
Posts: 1906
Registered: 3-29-2014
Location: Buckeye, Az
Member Is Offline
Mood: It's 5 o'clock somewhere
|
|
I highly doubt it. Wonder how old the ones being cut are.
|
|
|
Paco Facullo
Super Nomad
Posts: 1301
Registered: 1-21-2017
Location: Here now
Member Is Offline
Mood: Abiding ..........
|
|
Sad enough to make a grown Man cry .......
Since I've given up all hope, I feel much better
|
|
|
blackwolfmt
Senior Nomad
Posts: 802
Registered: 1-18-2014
Location: On The Beach With A Blackwolf
Member Is Offline
Mood: dreamin of Riden out a hurricane in Baja
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider | | After riding up in forest and Rancho Meling area. There are many new bull dozer roads going nowhere. They are at it again may not have any Yucca
plants left. Simi truck loads hauled off this has been going on for 3 years then came to stop. Was told made into meds sent to Japan. We have seen
this as far as El Rosario. Any truth Meds sent to Japan from Yucca. |
Sad to hear BTR,, I was reading they use it for arthritis A powder made from the Root, between the yucca and totoaba the SOC & Peninsula doesn't
stand a chance
So understand dont waste your time always searching for those wasted years
face up and make your stand and realize that your living in the golden years
|
|
|
AKgringo
Elite Nomad
Posts: 5805
Registered: 9-20-2014
Location: Anchorage, AK (no mas!)
Member Is Offline
Mood: Retireded
|
|
There is 'sustainable yield', and then there is 'get it before someone else does'. It probably doesn't even take a very large payday before greed
trumps responsibility.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
|
|
|
bajatrailrider
Super Nomad
Posts: 2423
Registered: 1-24-2015
Location: Mexico
Member Is Offline
Mood: Happy
|
|
We are still riding soon as I get time post pictures with David. Of the 30 or more new roads They plowed this time alone one goes round trip past Hot
Spring rancho. Maybe pasable with 4X4 how do the Mexicans do it lots of wrecked trucks I think.
|
|
|
mtgoat666
Select Nomad
Posts: 17280
Registered: 9-16-2006
Location: San Diego
Member Is Offline
Mood: Hot n spicy
|
|
Are the mehlings doing the raping? Or poachers?
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
|
|
|
Mexitron
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 3397
Registered: 9-21-2003
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
Member Is Offline
Mood: Happy!
|
|
The Yuccas being harvested (Yucca schidigera I think) are a sustainable harvest as they are cutting the trunks but leaving the base to regrow, albeit
probably 20 or 30 years in that environment to regain their height. Hadn't heard of Agaves being harvested, that's a little dicier for sustainability
depending how its done. I have seen the flowers cut off every now and then like the picture shows but by ranchers for their cattle to eat in lean
times.
|
|
|
John Harper
Super Nomad
Posts: 2289
Registered: 3-9-2017
Location: SoCal
Member Is Offline
|
|
I saw the same thing out at Mike's Sky Rancho two weeks ago. We hiked up the arroyo to Rancho Las Truchas, and walked the road back to Mike's.
Several bulldozed roads that looked fairly recent, just circled out and back. I was telling my buddy earlier in the day that as a kid up in Fillmore
we had made soap from the yucca roots one time,
I asked Manuel at Mike's and he said for soap and sent to Japan. My Spanish was not good enough to pick up if he
said meds from the yucca but he definitely mentioned "jabon." My buddy's jaw dropped cause he figured I was making up the story about yucca soap.
That must explain the cultivated fields on the way out to Mike's from Ensenada. I wondered about them last year when I drove out there.
So very sad to see, what a waste of a precious beauty.
John
[Edited on 5-2-2018 by John Harper]
|
|
|
mtgoat666
Select Nomad
Posts: 17280
Registered: 9-16-2006
Location: San Diego
Member Is Offline
Mood: Hot n spicy
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by John Harper | I saw the same thing out at Mike's Sky Rancho two weeks ago. We hiked up the arroyo to Rancho Las Truchas, and walked the road back to Mike's.
Several bulldozed roads that looked fairly recent, just circled out and back. I was telling my buddy earlier in the day that as a kid up in Fillmore
we had made soap from the yucca roots one time,
I asked Manuel at Mike's and he said for soap and sent to Japan. My Spanish was not good enough to pick up if he
said meds from the yucca but he definitely mentioned "jabon." My buddy's jaw dropped cause he figured I was making up the story about yucca soap.
That must explain the cultivated fields on the way out to Mike's from Ensenada. I wondered about them last year when I drove out there.
So very sad to see, what a waste of a precious beauty.
John
[Edited on 5-2-2018 by John Harper] |
Yucca is a source of saponins. It’s a foaming agent, used in many products, not just soap. For example, it’s in root beer.
When I was a kid we made root beer. We did not add foaming agent.
the root beer float is one of the top 10 deserts of all time 
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
|
|
|
motoged
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6481
Registered: 7-31-2006
Location: Kamloops, BC
Member Is Offline
Mood: Gettin' Better
|
|
....and Key Lime pie is on that list....
sorry for the hijack...
Don't believe everything you think....
|
|
|
TMW
Select Nomad
Posts: 10659
Registered: 9-1-2003
Location: Bakersfield, CA
Member Is Offline
|
|
Very interesting, when the Squarecircle and I did the trip to the San Isidoro Visita there were piles of Yucca at the turn off. I never really gave it
much thought other than thinking it was for fence post.
|
|
|
bajatrailrider
Super Nomad
Posts: 2423
Registered: 1-24-2015
Location: Mexico
Member Is Offline
Mood: Happy
|
|
They most be getting good money Bull dozers/diesel fuel/ hauling dozers up there to work. Making new roads workers/feeding them/ paying off any
ranchos that they work on. A old Mexican man told me. Us Mexicans are good at destroying our natural resource. There is a new maze of roads around Hot
spring rancho that blocked off main route of travel. 1 Month ago on motos we found new road to bypass his fence. Now we know as 15 side roads cut from
it. Road was not made to by pass Rancho was made to get more yucca. Must of peeed off the brother of Rancho that fenced off main route. Joke on him
nothing he can do about it as not his property. Still sad for me no need for 15 more dead end roads with no Yucca. As far as are the taking them and
protecting new growth you bet they are.
|
|
|
John Harper
Super Nomad
Posts: 2289
Registered: 3-9-2017
Location: SoCal
Member Is Offline
|
|
I was wondering how they got a dozer all the way out to Mike's without someone being aware of it. I don't really know what the ownership of the land
is out there, maybe Mike's "ranch" is not that big?
John
|
|
|
David K
Honored Nomad
Posts: 64476
Registered: 8-30-2002
Location: San Diego County
Member Is Offline
Mood: Have Baja Fever
|
|
Then region on an old Auto Club map. The hot spring ranch is Valladares, south of Meling Ranch and Concepcion is the former Baja Dark Skies Inn...
[Edited on 5-2-2018 by David K]
|
|
|
bajaguy
Elite Nomad
Posts: 9247
Registered: 9-16-2003
Location: Carson City, NV/Ensenada - Baja Country Club
Member Is Offline
Mood: must be 5 O'clock somewhere in Baja
|
|
Wonder if PROFEPA (Federal Attorney for Environmental Protection) or SEMARNAT (Ministry of Environment and Natural Resources) in Ensenada is aware of
this???
https://www.gob.mx/atencion/
https://www.gob.mx/semarnat
|
|
|
John Harper
Super Nomad
Posts: 2289
Registered: 3-9-2017
Location: SoCal
Member Is Offline
|
|
I stopped on the way out of Mike's at the area I think was the old landing strip. I'm not really sure cause it did not look like the satellite view I
expected. Of course, neither did the arroyo.
There were some signs saying it was a natural area under restoration, not sure the exact wording. So, some environmental attention has been on this
area. Maybe I should contact someone? A little late now, but maybe they can find these scumbag's dozer and disable it.
John
|
|
|
| Pages:
1
2
3 |
![[*]](images/xmbforum/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
