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rts551
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Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  | rts551-
Please don't assume that our difference of opinion on the manmade global warming debate means that we are less intelligent than you. Condescension is
a bad look for you. Regards, Tio |
Just a reference to Dali's dinosaurs...don't feel insulted, none was meant. There was an honest question in there.
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Stop picking on that palm tree!
But yes let's see the pictures.
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Fox News !? "Scandalous" ! ...
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2018/06/19/nasas-chilling-30-...
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco | Dali Dali-
Obviously you and I just don't get it. We should realize that if we were more intelligent we would be able to grasp the fact that the earth doesn't
evolve without human interference. If all humans died today, we would freeze frame the current environmental conditions. Earth would be saved!
Sounds amazing! Although, I am still trying to figure out how the desert southwest United States was once under water. Maybe those dinosaurs were
emitting too much gas and changed the balance?
Hard to tell... |
Tio and Dali... I haven't heard anyone saying that there is not a natural evolution of the earth...In fact its the very ones (science) that showed
the Earth is not flat (it isn't, is it?). What they are saying is there is a CONTROLLABLE influence in this evolution that is man made. We don't
all want to be dinosaurs do we? |
Well sure there is a natural evolution to the globe...
Erosion, wind, water...maybe even a warmer overall climate.
I shudder to think that man can even fathom placing controls on what comes as a natural phenom worldwide and has since sea animals crawled out of the
sea and onto land.
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You failed to recognize that I stated "controllable and man made". Do you shudder to fathom addressing those as well? |
I fail a whole bunch..swung and missed on that last yellowtail bite....I would address you by your name but not sure what it is?....I think DK called
you Ralph?
What I was attempted to elicit is what would that "controllable" part of manmade consist of?
Cars are more fuel efficient, LA smog levels way down, catalytic converters, EGR valves and even DIF fluid for diesel powered vehicles and testing of
them, transitioning from oil/coal to NatGas....clean coal technologies......solar farms littering the fruited plains......wind farms on nearly every
wind prone mountain edge......from Boulevard in the Laguna mountains to the Tehachapi pass out of Bakersfield. Trash, plastic, glass, paper
recycling....Toss in some Federal mandates for fuel efficiency and it seems to an ordinary layman like myself.....that there exists controls right in
the here and now.
How much and what more would you like to see and at what costs?
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BUT BUT That's NOT the United States, That's Kalifornia.....We NEED more federal Mandates?
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco | Dali Dali-
Obviously you and I just don't get it. We should realize that if we were more intelligent we would be able to grasp the fact that the earth doesn't
evolve without human interference. If all humans died today, we would freeze frame the current environmental conditions. Earth would be saved!
Sounds amazing! Although, I am still trying to figure out how the desert southwest United States was once under water. Maybe those dinosaurs were
emitting too much gas and changed the balance?
Hard to tell... |
Tio and Dali... I haven't heard anyone saying that there is not a natural evolution of the earth...In fact its the very ones (science) that showed
the Earth is not flat (it isn't, is it?). What they are saying is there is a CONTROLLABLE influence in this evolution that is man made. We don't
all want to be dinosaurs do we? |
Well sure there is a natural evolution to the globe...
Erosion, wind, water...maybe even a warmer overall climate.
I shudder to think that man can even fathom placing controls on what comes as a natural phenom worldwide and has since sea animals crawled out of the
sea and onto land.
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You failed to recognize that I stated "controllable and man made". Do you shudder to fathom addressing those as well? |
I fail a whole bunch..swung and missed on that last yellowtail bite....I would address you by your name but not sure what it is?....I think DK called
you Ralph?
What I was attempted to elicit is what would that "controllable" part of manmade consist of?
Cars are more fuel efficient, LA smog levels way down, catalytic converters, EGR valves and even DIF fluid for diesel powered vehicles and testing of
them, transitioning from oil/coal to NatGas....clean coal technologies......solar farms littering the fruited plains......wind farms on nearly every
wind prone mountain edge......from Boulevard in the Laguna mountains to the Tehachapi pass out of Bakersfield. Trash, plastic, glass, paper
recycling....Toss in some Federal mandates for fuel efficiency and it seems to an ordinary layman like myself.....that there exists controls right in
the here and now.
How much and what more would you like to see and at what costs? |
now maybe a layman like yourself can explain this to the chinese?
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Extra, Extra, Read all about it
As revealed by Archangel Uriel:
"The Illuminati are pushing the themes of global warming, adverse climate change, the rising of the world’s oceans, extinction of species, and
flooding of landmass. These themes have very little truth to them. Behind them is the Illuminati’s quest for world domination."
https://goldenageofgaia.com/2015/11/20/truth-global-warming-...
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David K
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By request... for your eyes only
1953
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1952
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2017
Not just the palm tree clump is still above the typical high tide point, but the flats behind it... occasionally get flooded, but still normally above
the sea, 65 years later!
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In the wise words of President Trump
"I believe there’s weather. I believe there’s change, and I believe it goes up and it goes down, and it goes up again.”
The guy is a deep thinker.
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Deep, Man, Deep.....
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
Not just the palm tree clump is still above the typical high tide point, but the flats behind it... occasionally get flooded, but still normally above
the sea, 65 years later! |
Whoa now DK.......Al Gore told all of us that we would be calf high in seawater about now.
What gives? He didn't oversell the whole thing did he?...Nah..
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Because of the higher water, the sand deposited on the beach by the gentle wave action and high tides is higher making it appear as though nothing has
changed.
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco | Dali Dali-
Obviously you and I just don't get it. We should realize that if we were more intelligent we would be able to grasp the fact that the earth doesn't
evolve without human interference. If all humans died today, we would freeze frame the current environmental conditions. Earth would be saved!
Sounds amazing! Although, I am still trying to figure out how the desert southwest United States was once under water. Maybe those dinosaurs were
emitting too much gas and changed the balance?
Hard to tell... |
Tio and Dali... I haven't heard anyone saying that there is not a natural evolution of the earth...In fact its the very ones (science) that showed
the Earth is not flat (it isn't, is it?). What they are saying is there is a CONTROLLABLE influence in this evolution that is man made. We don't
all want to be dinosaurs do we? |
Well sure there is a natural evolution to the globe...
Erosion, wind, water...maybe even a warmer overall climate.
I shudder to think that man can even fathom placing controls on what comes as a natural phenom worldwide and has since sea animals crawled out of the
sea and onto land.
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You failed to recognize that I stated "controllable and man made". Do you shudder to fathom addressing those as well? |
I fail a whole bunch..swung and missed on that last yellowtail bite....I would address you by your name but not sure what it is?....I think DK called
you Ralph?
What I was attempted to elicit is what would that "controllable" part of manmade consist of?
Cars are more fuel efficient, LA smog levels way down, catalytic converters, EGR valves and even DIF fluid for diesel powered vehicles and testing of
them, transitioning from oil/coal to NatGas....clean coal technologies......solar farms littering the fruited plains......wind farms on nearly every
wind prone mountain edge......from Boulevard in the Laguna mountains to the Tehachapi pass out of Bakersfield. Trash, plastic, glass, paper
recycling....Toss in some Federal mandates for fuel efficiency and it seems to an ordinary layman like myself.....that there exists controls right in
the here and now.
How much and what more would you like to see and at what costs? |
Yes, exactly and more can be done after the fight over cost/benefit is over.
Ralph.
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Because of the higher water, the sand deposited on the beach by the gentle wave action and high tides is higher making it appear as though nothing has
changed. |
The flats behind the palm and beach are still dry... salt flats all around Baja and the lagoons and marshes everywhere are still no deeper in the sea
or wetter more often.
I know this is a religion to many and you are not to question your authority figures/ masters. I just think this whole drama-driven issue is so clear
to see if you care to look. Living clean is great... solar energy is great. None of us who know the sea is not higher don't deny facts and the science
which is observation, not prediction.
There may be rising sea levels by millimeters and the earth may be warming ever so tiny during our short life here. There just is no reason to cause
panic, scare kids, raise taxes, grow the government (which reduces our freedoms). No amount of taxes will change the climate. Find something real to
get worked up about or go have a beer.
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DaliDali
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | | Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco | Dali Dali-
Obviously you and I just don't get it. We should realize that if we were more intelligent we would be able to grasp the fact that the earth doesn't
evolve without human interference. If all humans died today, we would freeze frame the current environmental conditions. Earth would be saved!
Sounds amazing! Although, I am still trying to figure out how the desert southwest United States was once under water. Maybe those dinosaurs were
emitting too much gas and changed the balance?
Hard to tell... |
Tio and Dali... I haven't heard anyone saying that there is not a natural evolution of the earth...In fact its the very ones (science) that showed
the Earth is not flat (it isn't, is it?). What they are saying is there is a CONTROLLABLE influence in this evolution that is man made. We don't
all want to be dinosaurs do we? |
Well sure there is a natural evolution to the globe...
Erosion, wind, water...maybe even a warmer overall climate.
I shudder to think that man can even fathom placing controls on what comes as a natural phenom worldwide and has since sea animals crawled out of the
sea and onto land.
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You failed to recognize that I stated "controllable and man made". Do you shudder to fathom addressing those as well? |
I fail a whole bunch..swung and missed on that last yellowtail bite....I would address you by your name but not sure what it is?....I think DK called
you Ralph?
What I was attempted to elicit is what would that "controllable" part of manmade consist of?
Cars are more fuel efficient, LA smog levels way down, catalytic converters, EGR valves and even DIF fluid for diesel powered vehicles and testing of
them, transitioning from oil/coal to NatGas....clean coal technologies......solar farms littering the fruited plains......wind farms on nearly every
wind prone mountain edge......from Boulevard in the Laguna mountains to the Tehachapi pass out of Bakersfield. Trash, plastic, glass, paper
recycling....Toss in some Federal mandates for fuel efficiency and it seems to an ordinary layman like myself.....that there exists controls right in
the here and now.
How much and what more would you like to see and at what costs? |
Yes, exactly and more can be done after the fight over cost/benefit is over.
Ralph. |
By golly.....I think were making progress here.
Now please Ralph......if only for grins, what more would you like to see, that is beyond what has already been said, that would "control" the climate?
[Edited on 6-19-2018 by DaliDali]
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Last time I was at the beach it was hot , I got sweaty and had sand up my Butt crack, same as it always was ....
And the water , was refreshing .......
Since I've given up all hope, I feel much better
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Because of the higher water, the sand deposited on the beach by the gentle wave action and high tides is higher making it appear as though nothing has
changed. |
The flats behind the palm and beach are still dry... salt flats all around Baja and the lagoons and marshes everywhere are still no deeper in the sea
or wetter more often.
I know this is a religion to many and you are not to question your authority figures/ masters. I just think this whole drama-driven issue is so clear
to see if you care to look. Living clean is great... solar energy is great. None of us who know the sea is not higher don't deny facts and the science
which is observation, not prediction.
There may be rising sea levels by millimeters and the earth may be warming ever so tiny during our short life here. There just is no reason to cause
panic, scare kids, raise taxes, grow the government (which reduces our freedoms). No amount of taxes will change the climate. Find something real to
get worked up about or go have a beer. |
Whoa now David....you mean to say that those politicians and "experts" lied when they told us that taxing the wellhead "source" would indeed lower
global temps? 
I could have swore I heard that in CA anyway, the taxes collected were squandered on things TOTALLY unrelated to global warming?
Say it ain't so?
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Read it now!!
John 8:32 "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
https://tinyurl.com/zvzkapj
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Because of the higher water, the sand deposited on the beach by the gentle wave action and high tides is higher making it appear as though nothing has
changed. |
Making it appear as though nothing has changed....
"Plan your life as if you are going to live forever. Live your life as if you are going to die tomorrow." - Carlos Fiesta
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SFandH
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I tell ya, it's like magic.
[Edited on 6-20-2018 by SFandH]
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