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[*] posted on 6-21-2018 at 03:56 PM
Alert for armed robberies in Laguna Hanson (Parque Nacional Constitución de 1857)


For being of general interest i feel like i should share this:

Abstract: Two families were robbed at gunpoint last saturday while camping in the national park. A couple from Tijuana was robbed saturday morning and another family in the afternoon, they were approached by two men carrying firearms and forced to give them their cars, money and cell phones. Another campers helped the victims.

Authorities are advising against camping or visiting the area until further notice. Local police, State police and mexican army are aware of the situation and one person was captured with one of the stolen vehicles, ammo and firearms.

*I happen to know the photographer that helped the family, he confirmed the story. I've asked the park personnel about this, but have no answer yet.

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Ensenada, México (21 junio 2018).- Por primera vez en los últimos 20 años, autoridades del Parque Nacional Constitución de 1857, una zona recreativa para campistas y única Área Natural Protegida en la Sierra de Juárez, alertaron por asaltos por parte de hombres armados, por lo que recomiendan no acudir al parque hasta nuevo aviso.

Dos familias que acampaban el sábado pasado fueron asaltadas por dos hombres con armas largas, quienes se llevaron celulares, dinero y los vehículos de las víctimas.

En los últimos 20 años nunca se habían presentado asaltos, puntualizó en entrevista Santos Soto Jaime, subdirector encargado de despacho del Parque Nacional.

"Recomendaría a la comunidad que se abstuviera de subir al Parque Nacional hasta no tener una mayor seguridad con las instituciones de los tres niveles de Gobierno", indicó, "ya están enterados el Municipio, el Ejército y la Procuraduría General de la República (PGR), falta hacer un operativo".

Señaló que ya hay una persona detenida, a la que se aprehendió con un vehículo robado a una familia, y quien al parecer portaba armas y cartuchos en esa misma unidad.

"Es una inseguridad que nunca habíamos vivido dentro del Parque", lamentó Soto Jaime.

El encargado del Parque especificó que se espera una reunión la próxima semana con la delegación de la Procuraduría General de la República (PGR) y la Segunda Región Militar de la Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional (Sedena).

El primer asalto se registró la mañana del sábado, una familia que acampó en la Laguna Hanson, en el Parque Nacional, fue afectada; el segundo atraco tuvo lugar ese mismo día por la tarde a otra familia.

"Es una situación que en los últimos 20 años no había sucedido, nunca habíamos tenido una situación de ese tipo, el sábado fue un matrimonio joven de Tijuana, fueron asaltados por dos personas, les quitaron el vehículo", indicó.

"Lo reportamos inmediatamente al 911, estuve con las personas afectadas, comunicamos al Ejército en el retén de la carretera federal entre Ensenada a San Felipe, y dijeron que iban a subir, porque al parecer estas personas (asaltantes) traían armas largas", añadió.

Soto Jaime llevó a la familia al Ministerio Público a interponer la denuncia.

"Vamos a tratar de hacer un operativo de seguridad con el Ejército, a ver si nos podemos coordinar con ellos que estén arriba (en la sierra), porque es temporada de muchos visitantes", comentó.

El parque nacional, al sur de Ensenada, solo cuenta con cuatro guardabosques, el área recreativa abarca 104 hectáreas para uso público.

Relatan campistas mala experiencia

Francisco Buelna, fotógrafo de Ensenada y campista, relató que auxilió a la primer familia que fue asaltada.

"Acampamos a unos dos kilómetros de la caseta de acceso, cerca del cuerpo de agua de la Laguna, después del desayuno se acercó una señora con un pequeño en brazos, de unos 4 años, pensamos que lo había mordido algún animal", platicó.

"Ella dijo que los habían acabado de asaltar con un arma larga, la señora venía con tres hijos, uno de 11, 8 y 4 años de edad, les dijeron que les entregaran el carro, celulares, dinero, las llaves de casa y del carro, dicen ellos que uno de los asaltantes traía un AK-47, la señora estaba muy asustada", recordó.

Buelna señaló que solo observó cómo una camioneta blanca salió a toda velocidad del parque.

"Publiqué esto en mis redes porque hacemos actividades recreativas en la zona y nunca había pasado esto", lamentó.

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[Edited on 6-21-2018 by Archie]
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shocked.gif posted on 6-21-2018 at 04:00 PM
Danger Will Robinson !!


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[*] posted on 6-21-2018 at 04:46 PM



Seems to be happening more and more!!:fire::fire::fire:
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[*] posted on 6-21-2018 at 05:21 PM


Quote: Originally posted by chippy  


This is just the beginning of being an American in Mexico ... xxxxx


There is no mention of the nationalities of the victims in the news article. Plenty of Mexican families camp on the weekends. In fact, if the victims were American, the news story probably would have mentioned it.






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[*] posted on 6-21-2018 at 05:44 PM
There's ALWAYS a Danger ...................


............. In isolated areas.

On either side of the border.

The BIG difference en El Norte is that you CAN (if you wish) carry a firearm.

A number of times over many years of mountain and desert camping, I ran across some really questionable characters and treated the encounter accordingly.

South of the border, most don't have that option. While I DID (often carrying a cheap .38 which couldn't be traced to me), thankfully I never ran into a situation where it HAD to be used.

And, tossed.

Which it was (in pieces) when I finally left Percebu for the last time.

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[*] posted on 6-21-2018 at 06:23 PM


The real issue is :

Does it matter if the victims were from the US or from Mexico?

Random violence exists EVERYWHERE and it effects ALL of us.

It is just another polarization to ask what the nationalities of the victims were.

We need to be outraged WHEREVER innocent people are being victimized.
Let us not forget, like it or not, Mexico is our neighbor.

When we see a neighbor in trouble our ethics as US citizens have been to help.

The world could use a lot more of that these days.

When you think about it, it is easier to be compassionate than angry.
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[*] posted on 6-21-2018 at 06:33 PM


Of course you're correct. A previous poster assumed they were American.



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[*] posted on 6-21-2018 at 08:21 PM


The last robberies at Laguna Hanson (Parque Nacional) that I recall were approximately 1996.
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[*] posted on 6-21-2018 at 08:27 PM


We where there Sunday to Thursday riding up in forest. Camped at Coyotes at 3 AM a truck did go by slow. Would have been a mistake if they tried something as there well armed.
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[*] posted on 6-21-2018 at 08:36 PM


I doubt that political opinion of the robbers has played any role.

As to the "respect" to gringos, - it had been lost long time ago, somewhere in late 80s or early 90s, coinciding with rise of China, decline of the entire Western economy and strengthening of cartels.
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[*] posted on 6-22-2018 at 08:42 AM


Meanwhile, USD drops against peso:
https://xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=MXN&view=...

Note that Bank of Mexico rate increase of June 21 didn't have any effect on this.
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[*] posted on 6-22-2018 at 08:55 AM


And the people in the Parque remain robbed.....



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[*] posted on 6-22-2018 at 09:46 AM


C'mon you guys, there's a political forum to vent your particular frustrations.

Getting back to the original topic, is the first time anyone has heard of robberies in the park? I've read stuff about land owners stopping riders from crossing through their land (legit?) with a gun in hand, but never an armed robbery....
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[*] posted on 6-22-2018 at 09:49 AM


Thanks for info, Archie. I drove past Laguna Hanson Sunday going north, the place was deserted.
Camped about 20 miles north of there Sunday night. At the time was not aware of the robbery but had a sort of foreboding feeling -- Fortunately my F150 2.7 aka the White Ghost can go really fast on the dirt roads and I mean we were hauling ass across there just because I like driving fast on deserted dirt roads -- Still somewhat unnerving to think that all that (allegedly) happened so near there but all turned out well, seems like an isolated incident.

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[*] posted on 6-22-2018 at 10:31 AM


Quote: Originally posted by bajaric  
Isolated spot a mile off the main road, no one around. In case someone drove up in the middle of the night the plan was to jump out of the camper, grab the money, passport, insurance papers, hit the lock button and run away and hide.

Staying awake all night, or setting up the perimeter with motion sensor lights and sirens? :) ... In case if you travel with a dog, they can sleep too. And are not too difficult to shoot.
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[*] posted on 6-22-2018 at 11:47 AM


Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
And the people in the Parque remain robbed.....

...and WILL remain robbed :)... even if the whole country will suddenly change overnight. No, wait - they are "half robbed" now that one of two cars has been recovered.

Robbers are not politically motivated. But there is a bigger picture to be looked into, as others have noted.
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[*] posted on 6-22-2018 at 11:48 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Alm  
Quote: Originally posted by bajaric  
Isolated spot a mile off the main road, no one around. In case someone drove up in the middle of the night the plan was to jump out of the camper, grab the money, passport, insurance papers, hit the lock button and run away and hide.

Staying awake all night, or setting up the perimeter with motion sensor lights and sirens? :) ... In case if you travel with a dog, they can sleep too. And are not too difficult to shoot.


In my case more like passed out and wake up with an AK in my face .. ha ha I would still run away. Who gets shot in the back running away? Sorry could not resist. Seriously there you can hear a vehicle a mile away, plenty of time to sneak off though a planned escape route into hidden area if you are awake to hear it. Forgot to mention saw a full size SUV at "the boulder" same area with windows broken out missing wheels wonder now if that was other one stolen. What drama?
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[*] posted on 6-22-2018 at 11:50 AM


Quote: Originally posted by KasloKid  

Getting back to the original topic, is the first time anyone has heard of robberies in the park?

There was a robbery (or two?) at Laguna Hanson, approximately 1996. A gringo couple was robbed at gunpoint. The husband was hit in the head with a rifle butt and the vehicle stolen, iirc. I can't find my notes, but I believe it was the same year as an armed robbery (with a rifle fired) at the climber's basecamp at Cañón El Tajo, which was 1996.

That was a bad year or two. A moto rider was shot in the leg while pre-running in the southern Sierra de Juarez. More than one vehicle was torched in separate incidents while parked at trailheads of eastside palm canyons, presumably by marijuana growers who wanted to keep hikers out of their grows. I coordinated with a writer from The Reader, who wrote a feature article about the incidents.

Since that time, things have been relatively safe, to my knowledge. Vehicle burglary (break-ins with theft) is the only problem that I've heard. The article in the original post indicated that this is the first robbery in 20 years. Perhaps that is a round number and the reference is to 1996 (22 years)?
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[*] posted on 6-22-2018 at 12:46 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by bajaric  
Thanks for info, Archie. Politics aside, seems the situation in Baja continues to deteriorate. Wonder if it will get like Acapulco, where the violence has resulted in few foreign tourists visiting there any more. I drove past Laguna Hanson Sunday going north, the place was deserted. I gather that two robbers, one armed with an AK47, stole two vehicles. So they must have been on foot? In previous visits to the area have been warned to stay away from Calabozo and Vegas Negras, located a few miles southeast of Hanson, due to 2 recent murders there. Perps could have walked from there. Good news that they recovered one vehicle and weapons.

Camped about 20 miles north of there Sunday night. Isolated spot a mile off the main road, no one around. In case someone drove up in the middle of the night the plan was to jump out of the camper, grab the money, passport, insurance papers, hit the lock button and run away and hide. No baseball bat confrontations for me. Stuff can be replaced.

The southeastern Sierra Juarez area has long been known as a growing area, wonder if legalization is putting a dent in their export business and they are turning to robbery. Its a bummer for me because I have been searching for an old abandoned mining camp located somewhere in that general area, maybe will cross that one off the bucket list. On the other hand if anyone knows the location of National Camp (purposely spelled in English) and wants to U2 me the GPS I would be grateful as I am researching the mining history of northern Baja and having a hard time finding that place and don't want to be randomly driving around that area too much.


Maybe it's just me, but I find searching around in an old abandoned mining camp, a lot more dangerous than sipping a margarita at some Acapulco resort by the pool.

I also find camping alone is some isolated campground a lot more dangerous that staying in a 3 star hotel anywhere in Baja.

I was working last month in San Diego, and there was a shooting near Petco Park, where 5 people were shot, and every place I walked near the East Village, I saw tons of homeless people with serious mental problems while talking to themselves that caused me to be very very alert.

What you didn't see me do is to to some San Diego, forum, waving the alarmist bells, and asking, is San Diego safe?








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