| Pages:
1
..
3
4
5
6 |
Alm
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 2716
Registered: 5-10-2011
Member Is Offline
|
|
It was in Zeta magazine. 3 gunmen were named as "probably responsible" for this murder. Also - their boss "El Tekolin". There is a warrant for El
Tecolin - for previous crimes, it sounded like the got him now though wasn't really clear. 3 "enforcers" were not arrested, as I recall. This was a
totoaba trafficking operation, very popular now with dry totoaba bladders going for several thousand dollars in China.
[Edited on 9-21-2018 by Alm]
|
|
|
mtgoat666
Select Nomad
Posts: 17289
Registered: 9-16-2006
Location: San Diego
Member Is Offline
Mood: Hot n spicy
|
|
Quote: Originally posted by Alm  | It was in Zeta magazine. 3 gunmen were named as "probably responsible" for this murder. Also - their boss "El Tekolin". There is a warrant for El
Tecolin - for previous crimes, it sounded like the got him now though wasn't really clear. 3 "enforcers" were not arrested, as I recall. This was a
totoaba trafficking operation, very popular now with dry totoaba bladders going for several thousand dollars in China.
[Edited on 9-21-2018 by Alm] |
Here is recent zeta news about arrest of El tekolin. Didn’t mention anything about link to bola murders
http://zetatijuana.com/2018/09/cae-el-parra-principal-operad...
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
|
|
|
JoeJustJoe
Banned
Posts: 21045
Registered: 9-9-2010
Location: Occupied Aztlan
Member Is Offline
Mood: Mad as hell
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by Hook |
So, we should discount these legitimate journalists who do this for a living, and believe YOU on an internet message board?
Got it.  |
In a word, yes, you should discount an article from the "San Diego Reader," and I don't think most free lance writers who turn in article for the "San
Diego Reader, are legitimate journalists, but if they're lucky, and their article makes the "San Diego Reader , they usually get $100 dollars for
their efforts.
There is also the fact somebody is wrong about the motivations for the murders in BOLA, as there are now two theories. Among the posts at "Baja
Nomad," the San Diego Reader, and early police reports, was the motivation for the murders, was simple robbery of the boat by a couple of Mexican
drug junkies, Ray Ball, tried to confront.
The new theory, supposedly from investigating reporting, is what Alm, talked about, but he was short on detail and links.
It's now alleged it was a 'hit" on the two Americans, Ray, and Jo, and it involved a Mexican cartel boss, El Tekolin, who ordered the hit, by two of
his workers, and it was over totoaba trafficking, and snitching
The Goat, almost got it right, but he links the wrong article from "Zeta."
Zeta, has a great reputation and some of their journalists have been killed reporting on cartel activity, but I have personally watched from a
distance "Zeta" posting word for word, some self serving article an ex-pat phoned in about his personal dispute, against a friend of mine. I was in
shocked when I saw the finished article from Zeta, that was essentially the same phoned in article that was sent to them.
So I don't take what "Zeta" says as gospel either, but it's sure better than the " San Diego Reader."
|
|
|
JoeJustJoe
Banned
Posts: 21045
Registered: 9-9-2010
Location: Occupied Aztlan
Member Is Offline
Mood: Mad as hell
|
|
Here are highlights from the Zeta article, where they mention three Mexican men, as being probably responsible for the murders of Ray Bell, and Jo
Anne Butler.
If you recall a few posts back some "Baja Nomad' member, claimed the arrest of two people was imminent, and I waited for a couple days to hear about
the arrest and then nothing. So I called BS, because this would have been big news, and all over the media.
Could this be possibly what they were talking about, and they were just scared to say anything about "El Tekolin, and those that work for him? No
brave ex-pats or brave Mexicans, willing to speak out?
Then again, it seems like Zeta, and Mexican officials, want to pin something on El Tekolin????? I just don't know, because there is still the fact,
the boat looks like somebody was trying to steal it.
________________________________
Mario Ibarra Lugo "El Piri", and two other men identified with the nicknames of "El Jarocho" and "El Wily", make up the armed wing of Óscar
Parra Aispuro "El Tekolin", who, according to state researchers, is behind of the attempted execution of the children of former Ministerial Police
Commander, Adán Uribe Herrara, and is probably responsible for the murder of two Americans in Bahía de los Ángeles.
_______
El Tekolín" criminally controls from San Felipe to Bahía de los Ángeles, it is even reported that he executed a soldier on December 30,
2017. Parra is a fugitive, and according to information from the investigators, he would have undergone plastic surgery. to change its face and evade
justice.
_______________________
n relation to the murder of the Americans Ray Ball, 72 years old and Jo Anne Butler, 69, despite the fact that the first investigations
indicate that it was a robbery, information gathered by ZETA could link hired assassins close to Parra Aispuro, after the Americans tried to warn
about the illegal fishing of totoaba in the area.
_______________________
From Zeta the whole article:
Parra en atentados contra PEP y Ministerial
http://zetatijuana.com/2018/09/parra-en-atentados-contra-pep...
[Edited on 9-22-2018 by JoeJustJoe]
|
|
|
SFandH
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6924
Registered: 8-5-2011
Member Is Offline
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe |
n relation to the murder of the Americans Ray Ball, 72 years old and Jo Anne Butler, 69, despite the fact that the first investigations
indicate that it was a robbery, information gathered by ZETA could link hired assassins close to Parra Aispuro, after the Americans tried to warn
about the illegal fishing of totoaba in the area.
|
Do a google search on "Parra Aispuro". Lots of recent news.
|
|
|
JoeJustJoe
Banned
Posts: 21045
Registered: 9-9-2010
Location: Occupied Aztlan
Member Is Offline
Mood: Mad as hell
|
|
David K, when there were rumors in this thread earlier about a possible arrest of the alleged killers, of Ray Ball, and Jo Anne Butler, were El
Piri, El Jarocho, and El Wily, the alleged suspects, where the article claims they work for El Tekolin, the alleged Mexican cartel, totoaba hunter,
who operates in the Baja waters, or was the rumor about somebody else?
It's amazing how silent this thread has gone, when at first it was going gangbusters with all kinds of different wild rumors.
| Quote: Originally posted by 4baja | the cops and the people in town know who committed these murders, one of the pricks is in jail now and there building a case against the others. what
I cant figure out is why there still walking around the streets of BOLA and not in jail pending |
| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | People who live there are exchanging emails on the murder update news and have asked everyone to not go public to protect the investigation (bad guys
read the Internet, too). |
[Edited on 9-22-2018 by JoeJustJoe]
|
|
|
carlosg
Senior Nomad
Posts: 504
Registered: 5-28-2012
Location: chula vista, ca
Member Is Offline
Mood: Just like in Baja: No Bad Days...
|
|
...as of yesterday "El Parra" was set free...
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u...
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u...
|
|
|
JoeJustJoe
Banned
Posts: 21045
Registered: 9-9-2010
Location: Occupied Aztlan
Member Is Offline
Mood: Mad as hell
|
|
Yes, it looks like Parra Aispuro, was set free, or he will be set free soon, because it was a bad arrest, and whoever arrested Parra Aispuro, didn't
respect his constitutional rights, and they lied where he was arrested, according to a few articles.
He wasn't arrested on the highway as claimed, instead, he was arrested in a private home, where he was illegally detained, and him and his boys were
slapped around. So I bet it's doubtful, they had a warrant for his arrest, and Mexico, does have very strong Constitutional rights like the USA.
If the cops in the USA, made a bad arrest that violates the constitutional rights of an alleged suspect, he too would lawyer up, and get a release.
Now some are saying this is Mexico corruption, but the officials in Mexico city, usually do it the right way.
_________________________
MEXICO CITY (APR) .- The Attorney General's Office (PGR) reported that, due to deficiencies in due process, the District Judge Specialized in the
Accusatory Criminal System assigned to the Federal Criminal Justice Center in the State of Mexico ordered the freedom of Óscar Parra Aispuro, El
Parra .
The justice minister also ordered the release of Carlos Eduardo and Edgar Alejandro, identified as escorts of El Parra , alleged leader of a criminal
organization dedicated to trafficking in totoaba and drugs, linked to the Sinaloa cartel.
According to the information of the PGR, it was credited with five witnesses and recordings the illegal detention of Parra Aispuro, who managed to
evade the action of justice for the crimes of carrying weapons for the exclusive use of the Army and drugs.
In a hearing that lasted 12 hours, the defense credited that the arrest, on Thursday, the 13th, was not carried out on the San Felipe-Mexicali
highway, in front of El Dorado Ranch, but in a house where state elements violently broke in and subjected to the three people: El Parra and his two
escorts.
In addition, five witnesses reported that they observed how the illegal detention was carried out by an armed group that "entered the house breaking
doors and beating the detainees, where there was even the wife of one of them and a baby, and then to the three people of the property along with the
two cars that later reported they would have weapons ".
According to information released by the weekly Zeta, the PGR is in the process of releasing the detainees, but, according to the Attorney General of
Baja California, they are vigilant to apprehend him for the crime of aggravated homicide against Emanuel Esau Saldaña Ramos, a soldier whom he
allegedly shot on December 31, 2017.
https://www.proceso.com.mx/551998/juez-ordena-liberar-a-el-p...
|
|
|
carlosg
Senior Nomad
Posts: 504
Registered: 5-28-2012
Location: chula vista, ca
Member Is Offline
Mood: Just like in Baja: No Bad Days...
|
|
...relesed and RECAPTURED...
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u...
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/nacion/seguridad/liberan-al-zar-de-la-totoaba&prev=sear
ch[/rquote]
Today... he was RECAPTURED at Mexico City Fed. Penitentiary and transferred to Baja California for reprocessing...
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u...
|
|
|
Alm
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 2716
Registered: 5-10-2011
Member Is Offline
|
|
Okkey, now it clears out. For a while. Right people were arrested. They had to be arrested no matter on what charges, anybody in totoaba deserves
some sort of punishment. Time will tell if any charges will stick. Whether those 2 accomplices actually murdered those 2 Americans, or not - I guess
will never know, with how Mexican judicial system works.
|
|
|
JoeJustJoe
Banned
Posts: 21045
Registered: 9-9-2010
Location: Occupied Aztlan
Member Is Offline
Mood: Mad as hell
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by Alm | | Okkey, now it clears out. For a while. Right people were arrested. They had to be arrested no matter on what charges, anybody in totoaba deserves
some sort of punishment. Time will tell if any charges will stick. Whether those 2 accomplices actually murdered those 2 Americans, or not - I guess
will never know, with how Mexican judicial system works. |
I guess at the end of the day we will never know, if El Tekolin's soldiers/bodyguard, were responsible for the deaths of Ray Ball, and Jo Anne Butler,
as reported by Zeta alleged investigative reporting, or if it's another rumor.
I suspect the ex-pats, in BOLA, and others know a little bit more than has been reported, but there seems to be some kind of "Baja Nomad' cover-up, or
fear may have set in, because there was a lot of interest in this story, as usual when an American homocide is involved in Mexico, but that interest
has dried up.
If there is fear among the ex-pats, because El Telokin's goons, are still on the loose. What happened to Gnukid's motto, that Mexicans ought to stand
up to Mexico's injustice, yeah, what about the ex-pats in Baja?
|
|
|
mtgoat666
Select Nomad
Posts: 17289
Registered: 9-16-2006
Location: San Diego
Member Is Offline
Mood: Hot n spicy
|
|
Perhaps the locals in the know not responding because it keeps the story in circulation, which would deter the kids/grandkids from visiting, and
negatively impact their house value.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
|
|
|
norte
Super Nomad
Posts: 1163
Registered: 10-8-2008
Member Is Offline
|
|
El Tekolin has promised retaliation. It snot only the people in LA Bay that are scared.
|
|
|
SFandH
Elite Nomad
Posts: 6924
Registered: 8-5-2011
Member Is Offline
|
|
Another article about his re-arrest, he's now in jail in Mexicali on a charge of murder of a member of the military. Perhaps (hopefully) they will
convince him to turn on his accomplices that murdered the couple in LA bay.
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/estados/otra-vez-detienen-al-z...
|
|
|
JoeJustJoe
Banned
Posts: 21045
Registered: 9-9-2010
Location: Occupied Aztlan
Member Is Offline
Mood: Mad as hell
|
|
Careful, the "Zeta" article said the three who made up the armed wing of Óscar Parra Aispuro, aka El Tekolin, were probably responsible for the
murders of Ray Bell, and Jo Anne Butler, and they could link the hired assassins to Parra Aispuro, after the Americans tried to warn about the
illegal fishing of totoaba in the area.
You might want to use the word alleged, because we have not seen the link from Zeta to the murders of the two Americans. It's as they mention it as an
afterthought, and the article gives more importance to illegal totoaba fishing, and the bad dude, Parra Aispuro, than to the two Americans.
|
|
|
Alm
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 2716
Registered: 5-10-2011
Member Is Offline
|
|
So now it's a cover-up by "Baja Nomad" (why BN - don't know, don't ask me), and people of BOLA "know" a bit more than it has been reported because
there was a lot of interest in the story first, but they are scared.... Brilliant conclusions by JJJ.
The article in Zeta that he denies any rights to be called a piece of intelligent journalism, is actually well written, if you take care to read. It
gives perspective through the eyes of Eddie, you can almost see that little town and people. It is also obvious what locals "know" - confusion and
anxiety. You/we know almost nothing about what really happened.
|
|
|
larryC
Super Nomad
Posts: 1482
Registered: 8-11-2008
Location: BoLA
Member Is Offline
|
|
I knew Ray and Jo well and I never heard Ray mention anything about Totoaba fishing. There are others down there that had more contact with Ray and
they also have never heard Ray mention anything about illegal fishing. I doubt that their murders had anything to do with illegal fishing. I suspect
it was a boat theft gone very bad. A few months before the attempted theft of Ray's boat another boat was stolen from in front of the Diaz compound
and towed out into the desert and stripped of its motors and electronics and then a few days later was set on fire. Marv Sherril posted here on Nomads
about finding the boat out in the desert and reporting it to the police.
I don't know about the other neighbors and friends of Ray and Jo but I haven't been speculating too much on here about the crime because I don't know
much. I don't see any reason to fuel false rumors. Hopefully the police will eventually get a lead on the perpetrators and make some arrests.
Off grid, 12-190 watt evergreen solar panels on solar trackers, 2-3648 stacked Outback inverters, 610ah LiFePo4 48v battery bank, FM 60 and MX60
Outback charge controllers, X-240 Outback transformer for 240v from inverters, 6500 watt Kubota diesel generator.
|
|
|
gnukid
Ultra Nomad
Posts: 4410
Registered: 7-2-2006
Member Is Offline
|
|
Both situations, the murder in BOLA and the murders in San Felipe, the arrests and release and rearrest of the perps are blatant examples of
corruption at all levels up to judicial system.
Everyone has had it and is marching the streets to demonstrate their desire for prosecution of criminals from San Felipe to Los Cabos, but it's not
clear that Baja can change or that the new incoming administration will be able to rise to the moment to create change since corruption is endemic.
It's very interesting times in Baja, the people, young and old are speaking out demanding an end to mass corruption everywhere.
|
|
|
JoeJustJoe
Banned
Posts: 21045
Registered: 9-9-2010
Location: Occupied Aztlan
Member Is Offline
Mood: Mad as hell
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by larryC | I knew Ray and Jo well and I never heard Ray mention anything about Totoaba fishing. There are others down there that had more contact with Ray and
they also have never heard Ray mention anything about illegal fishing. I doubt that their murders had anything to do with illegal fishing. I suspect
it was a boat theft gone very bad. A few months before the attempted theft of Ray's boat another boat was stolen from in front of the Diaz compound
and towed out into the desert and stripped of its motors and electronics and then a few days later was set on fire. Marv Sherril posted here on Nomads
about finding the boat out in the desert and reporting it to the police.
I don't know about the other neighbors and friends of Ray and Jo but I haven't been speculating too much on here about the crime because I don't know
much. I don't see any reason to fuel false rumors. Hopefully the police will eventually get a lead on the perpetrators and make some arrests.
|
I of course don't know Ray and Jo, at all, but I felt that was a little strange that "Zeta" is pinning the murders of Ray and Jo, on El Tekolin, and
his henchmen, according to the investigadores del Estado, who relayed this information to Zeta. So why aren't the added charges of murder of American
ex-pats added to the charges to El Tekolin, and why are his henchmen still walking free?
Ray and Jo, owned a boat, and I gather at least one of them fishes. So would a retired ex-pat to may fish for entertainment stick their neck out, and
report illegal fishing of an endangered fish like the totoaba? I would think it would be somebody like a liberal Greenpeace activists that would get
involved in something like this. I hate killing of innocent animals, including sports fisherman, but I don't think even I would get involved of
reporting illegal fishing)
Then there is the fact it looks like it was an attempted boat theft, but simple boat thieves are usually not the kind to use deadly violence, unless
of course Ray threatened them with a baseball bat. ( but he never got past the porch)
|
|
|
mtgoat666
Select Nomad
Posts: 17289
Registered: 9-16-2006
Location: San Diego
Member Is Offline
Mood: Hot n spicy
|
|
| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Both situations, the murder in BOLA and the murders in San Felipe, the arrests and release and rearrest of the perps are blatant examples of
corruption at all levels up to judicial system.
Everyone has had it and is marching the streets to demonstrate their desire for prosecution of criminals from San Felipe to Los Cabos, but it's not
clear that Baja can change or that the new incoming administration will be able to rise to the moment to create change since corruption is endemic.
It's very interesting times in Baja, the people, young and old are speaking out demanding an end to mass corruption everywhere.
|
What baja needs is yul brynner’s magnificent seven and a young AMLO, with a soundtrack by a Latino Woody Guthrie or Pete Seeger type.
That AMLO is a bit geriatric, for youthful idealism baja could use an Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez-type, eh?
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
|
|
|
| Pages:
1
..
3
4
5
6 |
|
![[*]](images/xmbforum/default_icon.gif){kind=icon}
