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[*] posted on 7-4-2018 at 01:30 PM
Why Medieval Monasteries Branded Their Books (Yes, It Relates to Baja)


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[*] posted on 7-4-2018 at 01:32 PM
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[*] posted on 7-4-2018 at 01:56 PM


Quote: Originally posted by GypsyJan  
Please feel free to fix it.


Is this what you wanted to post?: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/why-did-missionaries-b...




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[*] posted on 7-4-2018 at 04:48 PM


I once branded my Girlfriend butt, but it didn't help, she went missing, never to be seen again ? :wow:



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[*] posted on 7-4-2018 at 08:03 PM
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For fixing the link.

DavidK is more informed than I am to tell you about the the Franciscans who landed in La Paz and traveled their way up the Baja Peninsula to Alta California, ceding Mexico to the Dominicans.

If not for the treaty of Hidalgo (1800 something), we would be going through customs at Calafia, south of Rosarito centro.

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[*] posted on 7-5-2018 at 03:48 AM


Very interesting. Thanks.



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[*] posted on 7-5-2018 at 07:32 AM


Quote: Originally posted by GypsyJan  
For fixing the link.

DavidK more is informed than I am to tell you about the the Franciscans who landed in La Paz and traveled their way up the Baja Peninsula to Alta California, ceding Mexico to the Dominicans.

If not for the treaty of Hidalgo (1800 something), we would be going through customs at Calafia, south of Rosarito centro.


The Franciscans who replaced the Jesuits at the Jesuit missions landed at Loreto in April 1768. Loreto was the capital of California and the location of the first of 17 missions founded by the Jesuits. Ligüí, La Paz, and San José del Cabo had ceased to be mission sites, so there were 14 active missions when the Franciscans arrived.

In 1769, new orders from Spain (via the viceroy in Mexico) had the Franciscans travel north to occupy the ports of San Diego and Monterey. In 1773, having much mission work to do in Alta California, the Franciscans relented to the Dominicans who requested mission duty in California by agreeing to give the Dominicans the entire peninsula of Baja California. Both Alta and Baja California were part of Spain until they recognized Mexico's independence victory, in 1822.

The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848 established the border between the U.S. and Mexico just south of the Tijuana River, where it reaches the Pacific. The border between Baja and Alta Californa was at Arroyo del Rosarito before the U.S./ Mexico War.




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[*] posted on 7-5-2018 at 01:53 PM
I Knew DavidK Would Help With Historical Accuracy


The Jesuits were recalled in something, something A.D. to Italy by the Pope at that time because they were getting so powerful with their conversions and education of the indigenous people, that he felt threatened.

The Pope substituted other, more compliant orders, to continue north from Baja to California.

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[*] posted on 7-5-2018 at 03:25 PM


Quote: Originally posted by GypsyJan  
The Jesuits were recalled in something, something A.D. to Italy by the Pope at that time because they were getting so powerful with their conversions and education of the indigenous people, that he felt threatened.

The Pope substituted other, more compliant orders, to continue north from Baja to California.

[Edited on 7-5-2018 by GypsyJan]


Do you want any input on what you say here?

Referencing Harry Crosby's Antigua California:

The Jesuits were removed from the New World by command Spain's King Carlos III, in the summer of 1767. It was believed the Jesuits were becoming far too powerful and wealthy. The non-Jesuits of Mexico were very jealous of the control the Jesuits had.

The order was carried out on June 29, 1767... except for California.

The California Jesuits were the last to be arrested, as California (Baja to us) was the most remote territory. The new governor, Gaspar de Portolá, and 25 armed soldiers had sailed west with the intention of a surprise landing at Loreto in order to seize the presidio and mission.

Some 40 days later, fighting storms and strong winds, becoming separated from the other two ships in their fleet, they landed at San José del Cabo on November 30, 1767. They traveled by land north to Loreto, keeping secret their purpose for being in California.

The Jesuits were ordered to Loreto from their missions and on December 26, 1767, the King's order was read. Because of the time and harsh traveling conditions on El Camino Real as well as some epidemics at San Borja, it took weeks to get everyone ready and regrouped to leave Loreto, together on February 2, 1768. It would be three more days before winds would allow the ship to sail them across to Mexico where the hard march across to Vera Cruz began.

An inventory of the California missions that followed would prove the Jesuits innocent of amassing wealth. The governor and the Visitador General, José de Gálvez, would be shocked that there was such poverty at the missions.

The California Jesuits being delayed in their arrest and removal had avoided much of the brutality inflicted on their mainland brothers. Many died from the hardships endured on their relocation to prison in Spain and the non-Spanish Jesuits were eventually allowed back to their own countries or Italy.

The reasoning to go north from the peninsula to San Diego and beyond was to occupy the land for the King of Spain, ahead of Russian or British invaders. This also was not the Pope's doing.




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[*] posted on 7-5-2018 at 03:37 PM
Thank You, DavidK


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So much Baja... so little time (but so many books)!

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