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del mar
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Los Pinos and the Rodriguez brothers
quite a bit of buzz about the new Pemex in Catavina! next time you drop a C-note at one of Don Rafael's beautiful hotels or gas up at one of his
pemex's or spend your dough at rancho grande....well you decide 
https://truthout.org/articles/slave-in-the-fields-a-reporter...
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SFandH
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Must be among the lowest paid workers in Mexico.
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fishbuck
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It's better if the brothers like you...
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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thebajarunner
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Thanks for bringing this story to light
I have hesitated to bring up the dismal topic
Years back my church did an annual trip to an orphanage in the area (no names because I fear the might of the Rodriguez gang)
We had two doctors and a nurse along, and they were requested to hold some clinics for the Pinos workers in their home camps
I have been to clinics in the slums of Port au Prince and Calcutta. They were comparable in all aspects to what we saw in these Baja camps
So sad!!!
But they sure do produce nice veggies and have fabulous homes on the hill overlooking their private jet port.....
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fishbuck
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Amazing isn't it.
I guess this is a good time to start a "mission" to help the poor farm famlies...
How can I help?
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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Just to be fair...the analysis of Truthout.org..
"These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize
strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit
reporting of information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. "
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thebajarunner
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"Just to be fair..."
Well, you won't find anyone on this board more conservative than I.
And, I have walked those camps and they made me sick.
Go walk the camps, then tell us your impression.
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Dave and Juanita of Rancho Cielito Lindo would collect donations for the children of these very poor farm-working folks. As my kids grew, we took
donations to both 'porkypig' at San Quintin.... and to 'jrbaja' at La Barca, who helped other areas of Baja.
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del mar
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seriously? soliciting donations for exploited farm workers children employed by the Rodriguez family....and continuing to patronize their
businesses? does that sound right to you?
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Sickening.
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norte
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Yes I have been at the camp in San QUintin. Not as you describe though. Seemed to be 2 groups of people...full time workers that lived on-site in
nice housing, on-site medical, on-site school, etc...can't speak to the on-site store but there was one. And the part-timers who were bussed in.
They were obviously less paid and lived off-site...but there was a roving doctor they could see in the fields.... If you have not been there,, you
can request a tour for your selves.. an impressive operation.
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del mar
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Quote: Originally posted by norte  | | Yes I have been at the camp in San QUintin. Not as you describe though. Seemed to be 2 groups of people...full time workers that lived on-site in
nice housing, on-site medical, on-site school, etc...can't speak to the on-site store but there was one. And the part-timers who were bussed in.
They were obviously less paid and lived off-site...but there was a roving doctor they could see in the fields.... If you have not been there,, you
can request a tour for your selves.. an impressive operation. |
you obviously didn't bother to read the story, or choose not to believe it. thats fine too.
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From the article:
"Before April 3 of this year, the laborers earned 70 pesos for a work day that consisted of harvesting 45 buckets of cucumbers and 35 of tomatoes,
plus cleaning five rows. After the wage increase of 15 percent, the owners increased the workload in Los Pinos. Now the workers are required to pick
60 buckets of cucumbers, 50 of tomatoes and clean six rows."
70 * 1.15 / 18 = $4.47 a day
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From the article...They must be doing something right...In August 1999, Ernesto Zedillo came to inaugurate a cluster of housing for workers and a
vegetable packing plant.
In March 2009, while visiting Baja California, Felipe Calderon landed on the airstrip of Rancho Los Pinos to join the Rodriguez brothers at a family
party. And in November 2013 Enrique Peña Nieto delivered the National Export Award to the Rodriguez brothers for their accomplishments at San
Quintin.
And you are striving to believe the worst. Visit the place before you condemn them.
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This article from a Mexican newspaper may be "enlightening" as how these scoundrels have gotten to where they are by riding on the backs of those many
unfortunate people being constantly exploited by the "selected" ones:
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by del mar | | seriously? soliciting donations for exploited farm workers children employed by the Rodriguez family....and continuing to patronize their
businesses? does that sound right to you? |
Did I not use the right words?
Juanita delivered clothes and other supplies to the small children who needed them [whose parents could not afford to buy or get].
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Once again I am calling you out!!!
| Quote: Originally posted by norte | From the article...They must be doing something right...In August 1999, Ernesto Zedillo came to inaugurate a cluster of housing for workers and a
vegetable packing plant.
In March 2009, while visiting Baja California, Felipe Calderon landed on the airstrip of Rancho Los Pinos to join the Rodriguez brothers at a family
party. And in November 2013 Enrique Peña Nieto delivered the National Export Award to the Rodriguez brothers for their accomplishments at San
Quintin.
And you are striving to believe the worst. Visit the place before you condemn them. |
Have you visited the camps???
I can answer that without knowing you.
Defending the P-nche Rodriguez gang tells me you have not set foot in the camps.
I have walked the camps, helped organize and facilitate the clinics
You know why we quit?
Because we got word that those "on high" did not appreciate us checking out their turf.
Read your own post, Dude....
The president landed on their jet strip and went up to the mansion for a fiesta.....DUHHHHH
How long did he spend down in the pits?????
Sick people!!!
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norte
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| Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner | | Quote: Originally posted by norte | From the article...They must be doing something right...In August 1999, Ernesto Zedillo came to inaugurate a cluster of housing for workers and a
vegetable packing plant.
In March 2009, while visiting Baja California, Felipe Calderon landed on the airstrip of Rancho Los Pinos to join the Rodriguez brothers at a family
party. And in November 2013 Enrique Peña Nieto delivered the National Export Award to the Rodriguez brothers for their accomplishments at San
Quintin.
And you are striving to believe the worst. Visit the place before you condemn them. |
Have you visited the camps???
I can answer that without knowing you.
Defending the P-nche Rodriguez gang tells me you have not set foot in the camps.
I have walked the camps, helped organize and facilitate the clinics
You know why we quit?
Because we got word that those "on high" did not appreciate us checking out their turf.
Read your own post, Dude....
The president landed on their jet strip and went up to the mansion for a fiesta.....DUHHHHH
How long did he spend down in the pits?????
Sick people!!! |
As stated above (guess you have reading comprehension problems) I have been to Los Pinos farms and packing plant. From your response sounds like you
really have a problem with people who have airplanes. Had you done some better with your life, you may not have been so hyper critical and jealous.
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Los Pinos
B. Traven (Treasure of Sierra Madre author) wrote about these poor indigenous types who were slaves in the mahogony lumber racket in Chiapas more
than 100 years ago.......
"March to the Monteria" and "Rebellion of the Hanged" described the conditions of unending indebtednes to the Mayordomos who ran the stores before
the last Mexican revolution....
Los Pinos learned from those Feudal lords, apparently
Steve in Oro Valle
[Edited on 7-20-2018 by Steve in Oro Valley]
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| Quote: Originally posted by norte | | Yes I have been at the camp in San QUintin. Not as you describe though. Seemed to be 2 groups of people...full time workers that lived on-site in
nice housing, on-site medical, on-site school, etc...can't speak to the on-site store but there was one. And the part-timers who were bussed in.
They were obviously less paid and lived off-site...but there was a roving doctor they could see in the fields.... If you have not been there,, you
can request a tour for your selves.. an impressive operation. |
Sure you have been there Norte, and those slave masters, at "Los Pinos farms," sure treat their workers wonderfully? We should all want to be workers
at "Los Pinos farms."
It's pretty well documented most if not all those Mexican farms, treat the workers as working slaves, who work for slaves wages, and if the employees
live on the farms, they get ripped off again, especially when buying food, and other necessaries. This way the employers, could keep their workers
indebted to them, and keep them working.
Usually, anybody claiming how wonderful the farm workers are treated, are doing propaganda for the farms, and the others, are just extreme ultra
conservatives, who automatically side with the employers, and management, especially if the workers happen to be immigrants, or have dark skin.
Some question if "Mexico Bias Fact Check" is incompetent, dishonest, or both.
Media Bias Fact Check: Incompetent or Dishonest?
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Norte wrote: Just to be fair...the analysis of Truthout.org..
"These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward liberal causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize
strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit
reporting of information that may damage liberal causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. "
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