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rts551
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I wonder how long this guy will last in his position?
https://www.wired.com/story/nasas-jim-bridenstine-agrees-hum...
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rts551
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He used to be a denier...
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a207355...
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gnukid
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The idea that human produced CO2 causes a rise in global temperatures is a theory that has never been demonstrated with proof to show that human
produced CO2 increase causes an increase in temperature either immediately or over long term.
Quite the opposite, in fact, temperature has been shown to precede (lead) CO2 movements by hundreds of years.
Human contribution to CO2 is incredibly small, a tiny portion like %.04, while in the USA we have reduced CO2 contribution greatly every year for more
than a decade. This year USA reduced CO2 by 40 million tons.
The greatest contribution to temperature is ... surprise, the Sun, which is 1.3 millions times the size of the earth, and drives our global and solar
system temperature and of course growth of plants that produce oxygen to drive our symbiotic relationship. Greater plant life leads greater human
life. When Co2 is higher plants grow more successfully. When CO2 % PPM was much higher in the past, there was greater size of animals and increased
diversity.
There is identifiable proof that pollution in the form of chemical and plastics production in combination with abusive farming and food production
methods is damaging the environment.
IF you have any questions of concern about CO2 consider doing some research into CO2 in the atmosphere. Ask why would someone promote the false
narrative that CO2 drives atmospheric temperature, what is their agenda, how do they profit from CO2 controls and carbon credits as a trading scheme,
what happened to the predictions of climate catastrophe. What is CO2, where does come from, how is it stored, what role does play in life?
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rts551
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I take it you have not converted like this guy. You whole assumption is there is a false narrative rather than examining the science as Bridenstine
was forced to do.
real false narrative " at a climate hearing this week, Republican members of the House Science Committee said that the Earth is not warming (it is),
that rocks falling into the ocean are causing sea level rise (they aren’t), and that the Antarctic ice sheet is growing bigger (it’s not)."
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to state that an increase in CO2 directly equals "increased life", and obviously not having a clue re all other variables which would also have to
increase etc ... takes a stunning level of ignorance! But deniers are certainly a special breed.
ni modo
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Bridenstine also said he agrees with the international consensus that carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas and is a major driver of rising temperatures.
"We are putting it into the atmosphere in volumes we haven’t seen before," the head of NASA said. "We are responsible for it.”
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redmercury
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Speaking of the Sun. All stars become hotter as they age and burn up their fuel. Our Sun will slowly increase its energy output, which will increase
the average temperature of the Earth. In about 1 billion years, all of the water on Earth will have boiled off and the human race will be extinct,
billions of years before the Sun goes supernova.
The gradual warming of the Earth is inevitable and human impact on Earth's climate is very insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
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Clearly, there is a level of CO2 % PPM that is dangerous to animal life. Today CO2 varies at about 400 PPM around earth and largely driven by
non-anthropogenic sources such as volcanoes. In a closed meeting room, or let's say a plane, CO2 can reach 10,000 % PPM and people do not suffer harm.
On the other hand, enclosed green houses gardens require CO2 input for maximum performance.
Carbon has forever been known as the source of life. How you want to qualify that is up to you, but it doesn't change the fact that carbon is the
driving life force on earth, without it we would die due to lack of available produced oxygen. The earth is not suffering from high CO2 by any
demonstrable measure, nor high temperatures. Greenhouse gases are mostly H20 something like %70 and serve us well, greenhouse gas is not pollution.
Or should we regulate and demonize H20, C02 and O2 since they are in greenhouse gasses and according to you and Al Gore are harmful?
Perhaps it is time to focus on clearly demonstrated pollution like dumping chemicals, plastics and lack of sewage treatment?
Instead of attacking with ad hominem personal attacks please make your point with some substance.
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rts551
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Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  | Clearly, there is a level of CO2 % PPM that is dangerous to animal life. Today CO2 varies at about 400 PPM around earth and largely driven by
non-anthropogenic sources such as volcanoes. In a closed meeting room, or let's say a plane, CO2 can reach 10,000 % PPM and people do not suffer harm.
On the other hand, enclosed green houses gardens require CO2 input for maximum performance.
Carbon has forever been known as the source of life. How you want to qualify that is up to you, but it doesn't change the fact that carbon is the
driving life force on earth, without it we would die due to lack of available produced oxygen. The earth is not suffering from high CO2 by any
demonstrable measure, nor high temperatures. Greenhouse gases are mostly H20 something like %70 and serve us well, greenhouse gas is not pollution.
Or should we regulate and demonize H20, C02 and O2 since they are in greenhouse gasses and according to you and Al Gore are harmful?
Perhaps it is time to focus on clearly demonstrated pollution like dumping chemicals, plastics and lack of sewage treatment?
Instead of attacking with ad hominem personal attacks please make your point with some substance.
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Are you saying the articles are without substance? You may disagree, but you can not get away from what science says and its converts over time..
read the articles..pls.
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Clearly there are serious problems with fraud in science relating to temperature tracking and global temperature, do you remember the "hide the
decline" Michael Mann emails?
Temperature gauges produce data based on local environments, in many recent cases, temperature gauges are placed in urban areas, at airports and on
buildings which artificially affect readings. We no longer have predominant readings from farmers spread across fields of crops. so, today, we must
figure out how much to adjust temperature readings based on local influence which is a whole topic unto itself, yet common sense.
Even with urbanization causing artificial increases in temperature readings at airports and on buildings, we are currently in a phase known as the
pause meaning the temperatures have not increased significantly over the last 20+ years. So now "scientists" are scrambling to theorize why a pause
means catastrophe for climate and update their dire predictions. Or we could just stop polluting with chemicals, plastics and wasteful food production
methods? Or you can save the world with a 90k Tesla that has no carbon footprint, right, or does it? Where does solar energy come from really, how is
a solar panel made and where is energy stored? How about wind power how effective is it? Time to put some thought into realistic evaluation of the
theoretical nonsense.
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Before some of you focus on the earth burning up, suffocating, or flooding's "The Big One", a more clear and present danger to your country/planet is
the dotard in the White House...
VERY DANGEROUS....
Voting can change that climate threat...
Make America America Again....
And, please, don't bother with "Shut up....it's not your country" type comments....global environmental issues will take longer to resolve....and it's
up to all countries to address those issues...it's up to the American voters to clean up the insane mess of your current political nightmare....
Wake Up 
Nomex on 
Don't believe everything you think....
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Clearly, there is a level of CO2 % PPM that is dangerous to animal life. Today CO2 varies at about 400 PPM around earth and largely driven by
non-anthropogenic sources such as volcanoes. In a closed meeting room, or let's say a plane, CO2 can reach 10,000 % PPM and people do not suffer harm.
On the other hand, enclosed green houses gardens require CO2 input for maximum performance.
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oh ok ... so you're saying that the 200 million tons annually of CO2 from both land and undersea volcanos ... is MORE than the 24 BILLION tons
annually of CO2 from automotive and industrial activities (USGS) ??
wow, very interesting math there on planet gnu
I'd carry on (like we've actually been in a solar MINIMUM with increased earth temps .... OOOps there goes the ridiculous sun argument) .... but
history has shown what a colossal waste of time that would be.
ni modo
ps (and only b/c I'm a nice guy) the issue is not CO2 levels directly affecting humans ability to live ... it's the affect increased CO2 will have on
habitat!!
seriously, you folks are embarrassing when it comes to this issue
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Don't believe everything you think....
| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | Before some of you focus on the earth burning up, suffocating, or flooding's "The Big One", a more clear and present danger to your country/planet is
the dotard in the White House...
VERY DANGEROUS....
Voting can change that climate threat...
Make America America Again....
And, please, don't bother with "Shut up....it's not your country" type comments....global environmental issues will take longer to resolve....and it's
up to all countries to address those issues...it's up to the American voters to clean up the insane mess of your current political nightmare....
Wake Up
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Skipjack Joe
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Saying CO2 is good therefore more is better is like saying if you want to be less fat you should eat less fat.
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bezzell
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No, the above statement is 100% true (longterm vs short term) but that's another topic
it's like saying water is good for you ... until you're drowning
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Oh no not another global warming denier thread by a bunch of old ultra conservatives, who don't have much time left on the Earth, so they think it
gives them a right to pollute the planet, because they claim, it doesn't matter anyway.
C'mon, global warming is real, it's irrefutable, and since the industrial age, global warning has really increased, and therefore, it's mostly man
made.
The Science, and the vast majority of scientists are on my side, except for those scientists, that are on Exxon's payroll, or are paid to confused the
issue with mostly ultra conservatives. ( about 95% of all scientist who study this issue say Global warming is real, and mostly caused by man, and
only a handful of Scientist loons, say it's not real)
I shortly expect a few Nomad members, to come to this thread and claim Global warming is not real based on their anecdotal evidence from living in
Baja.
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rts551
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | Before some of you focus on the earth burning up, suffocating, or flooding's "The Big One", a more clear and present danger to your country/planet is
the dotard in the White House...
VERY DANGEROUS....
Voting can change that climate threat...
Make America America Again....
And, please, don't bother with "Shut up....it's not your country" type comments....global environmental issues will take longer to resolve....and it's
up to all countries to address those issues...it's up to the American voters to clean up the insane mess of your current political nightmare....
Wake Up
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I would speak up but I am afraid my clearance will be revoked... https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/07/23/sarah_san...
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Fallacious arguments abound:
I never said an unlimited amount of CO2 is better, only that human contribution (%.04) to the current ~400PPM is not the driver of global and
atmospheric temperatures demonstrably. Current temperatures are stable for some reasons, likely solar activity minimum as suggested.
Yes, human contribution to CO2 is minimal, much less than animals, and volcanoes and oceanic and terra plant life breakdown, but it is hard to
measure and know for sure.
Humans do not drive Earth's CO2 and do not drive temperature while other factors, the Sun, volcanoes, animals, the ocean and organic plant material
deterioration may be a driver of global CO2.
Focus on things you control, like dumping depleted uranium bombs, chemicals, plastics, and destructive food/fish production.
Consider, that many things you were told are wrong and take time to do some research beyond a single source to multiple sources and think outside the
box. As humans we have so much to learn and so little we know for certain.
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Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Saying CO2 is good therefore more is better is like saying if you want to be less fat you should eat less fat.
WTF! I guess I need to get a new life after I just realized I wasted 30 seconds of it here!
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