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People have choices along the road to make.
Some choose a life of easy, taking from others as a way of life and career and some put the energies in listening to their parents, pay attention in
school, get a part time job, pay your way through college if desired and strive to get a job that will support them and a family.
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DaliDali, you don't have kids do you, or maybe you don't have kids that go to college?
I ask because earlier you said, a student could get a part time job and put himself through college. Yeah, maybe if it was in the 70's, and 80's. I
though that was so funny.
Tuition to a private school like USC runs about $50,000, and with room and board it's about $70,000 dollars a year.
I sure would like to see a part time job pay for that Tuition, room and board.
Oh you might say well then how about a state school like UCLA or University of San Diego. Nope, unlikely, as those colleges are super competitive
because every parent wants to send their kids to those colleges to save a few bucks, and those parents really aren't saving that much, because even
those state schools are prohibitively expensive.
How about the party school, San Diego, St, well if the kid lives at home, he might be able to pull it off, but even these state colleges tuition is
out of reach of many, and they could kiss their chances goodbye of later going to a top business or top laws school in the country. The community
college are an option, but most students don't go on to 4-year colleges for a variety of reasons.
Well, there are always student loans, that nowadays go after both the students, and their parents. I will mostly likely be dead before I pay off my
parent loans, and with Trump, allowing predatory practices, they will go after me even in death!
Dali Dali, if you have kids entering college, you would get voting for Bernie Sanders, who wants to get rid of those student loans that are on the
backs of millennials, and are killing them. They can't afford homes with all those student loans.
Please don't bring up socialism and where you don't want to pay taxes, or I will call for the outlaw of Fire, police, and social security, because all
of that is pretty much pure socialism with high paying union jobs.
I don't want my tax dollars going to Israel, to fund their war machine. But I have no control over it, just like you have no control where your local
tax dollars go.
Again, schools should be on an even playing field, and if local taxes can't provide the schools, then perhaps the state or federal government needs to
help out. It will be cheaper than running state prisons.
DaliDali, I take it you're white, because you seem so clueless how racist it is in the job market, for a person of color, or to even get an apartment
in a nice neighborhood. Go visit San Diego, and see how segregated parts of San Diego are.
The fact is and this has been proven in many studies, a manager, with all things being fairly equal, will hire somebody that looks like him, and
since most managers are white, they will hire a younger white guy, who reminds them of themselves.
Of course, a person of color could make it in this world, but they have to have skills so much better than their white competition and they have to be
very very lucky.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali |
People have choices along the road to make.
Some choose a life of easy, taking from others as a way of life and career and some put the energies in listening to their parents, pay attention in
school, get a part time job, pay your way through college if desired and strive to get a job that will support them and a family.
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DaliDali, you don't have kids do you, or maybe you don't have kids that go to college?
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Dang Joe, there you go, jumping off that left cliff once again and "assuming" someone you don't know has kids or not, based on their views of the K-12
education system.
Yes I had two kids, girl and boy.
Full on adults now and living on their own.
Daughter was lazy in school, didn't pay attention, other than the boys.
Graduated with a "C" average and only did some part-time stints at the local junior college.
The son on the other hand payed attention, made the effort and studied after school instead of playing video games.
Graduated 4th in his class, out of large senior graduating class, with a AP enhanced 4.6 GPA.
ONE "B" grade in four years in high school.....straight "A's" for the rest.
This wasn't some "elite" wealthy district school either.
Middle class, working famlies.
Son got a mostly free ride to UCSD by being in the top one percent of his graduating class. And the next semester was a freshman there.
Didn't dilly dally for a few years to sort it all out......BAM...HS to an esteemed University.
Worked part time at a Round Table pizza joint and at Pep Boys auto parts store to help pay the freight.
Point being.......daughter didn't make the effort.....the son did.
And even with me, as single parent at the time..their mom died when the daughter was 14 and the son was 12.
So don't go off telling me it can't be done Joe ok?
Effort Joe.....even the kid in a "hood" school can do it.
You won't hear of it......it's all someone else's fault and it must be whitey.
And down goes your "character" another notch, now bouncing on the basement floor.
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My daughter worked two and sometimes three jobs to put herself thru nursing school while raising two kids as a single mom. It's the choices we make in
life.
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | My daughter worked two and sometimes three jobs to put herself thru nursing school while raising two kids as a single mom. It's the choices we make in
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Bingo Mr TMW.....
It's all about the choices and effort put forth.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali |
Dang Joe, there you go, jumping off that left cliff once again and "assuming" someone you don't know has kids or not, based on their views of the K-12
education system.
Yes I had two kids, girl and boy.
Full on adults now and living on their own.
Daughter was lazy in school, didn't pay attention, other than the boys.
Graduated with a "C" average and only did some part-time stints at the local junior college.
The son on the other hand payed attention, made the effort and studied after school instead of playing video games.
Graduated 4th in his class, out of large senior graduating class, with a AP enhanced 4.6 GPA.
ONE "B" grade in four years in high school.....straight "A's" for the rest.
This wasn't some "elite" wealthy district school either.
Middle class, working famlies.
Son got a mostly free ride to UCSD by being in the top one percent of his graduating class. And the next semester was a freshman there.
Didn't dilly dally for a few years to sort it all out......BAM...HS to an esteemed University.
Worked part time at a Round Table pizza joint and at Pep Boys auto parts store to help pay the freight.
Point being.......daughter didn't make the effort.....the son did.
And even with me, as single parent at the time..their mom died when the daughter was 14 and the son was 12.
So don't go off telling me it can't be done Joe ok?
Effort Joe.....even the kid in a "hood" school can do it.
You won't hear of it......it's all someone else's fault and it must be whitey.
And down goes your "character" another notch, now bouncing on the basement floor.
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DaliDali, I'm sorry you consider your daughter lazy. I would never put my daughter down like that, because they will need years of therapy from never
being good enough for Daddy. Maybe, if you told your daughter, that college is very valuable, and useful besides meeting a man to take care of you. (
lot of extreme far right conservatives don't like women working and see college as a way to meet a successful man)
Congratulations on your son's successful schooling, and I'm going to focus of your son's mostly free ride, and you as a father pushing for that free
ride.
I believe you didn't live in a wealthy neighborhood. One good thing about living in a poor neighborhood and average school, is the UC Colleges, awhile
back, took the top 12.5 percent of graduating class of those lower ranking schools, regardless of SAT scores, and I'm all for that.
Now UCSD is a wonderful great college , but it's still not Ivy League, or Stanford. And because it's a state school, they usually don't give total
free ride scholarships. What you son did was apply for a financial aid package, and in that financial could have been a scholarship something like
$8000 dollars for tuition. but there would also be government handouts like grants, and loans, that made up a total package where you son would pay
little out of pocket money.
In other words, it's a Government handout, because it's a state college, and I surely would not turn that down for my kids, but you DaliDali, a pull
yourself up by your bootstraps kinda guy.
I'm just shocked, just shocked, you and your son turned to a State run Institution like a student from Communist China would, and just didn't go to a
private college, where he would either get a scholarship, or you would foot the bill, and not make the state pay for your kids education.
What's the tuition for UCSD $14000 in state, and out of state like $38,000, and private colleges about $50,000 dollars.
And as you would say DaliDali, "why should I have to pay for your son's education with my taxes?
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Earn it, work for it, effort and the right choices along the way.
A likely ticket to a fulfilling adulthood.
Not for Joe.......just blame whitey.....
Pffffff.....
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My parents saved for my college and my wife and I saved for our son's college. It's amazing what two parents can do with a plan.
It's all about choices and options; moving, relocating, certifications, networking, sacrificing, working harder and longer. Point is, you can do
very well if you're willing to what it takes. I'm 60, and personally, I've never seen a single person in my life fail at being successful who didn't
give it their all. Not a single one. People who fail always have an excuse and it's very rarely their fault.
No country on earth is perfect by any respect. But almost every country on earth has been both segregated and racist since the beginning of human
civilization. Most countries are still very segregate and racist towards any people that's not "them". The Unites States has made strides and
pretty much leads the world in trying to be integrated, but frankly, people in general are just more comfortable with somebody that looks like them
(as stated above) and that works both ways for all colors too. I'm the first to reach out my hand in friendship and always have been, but I feel
we're trying to mico-regulate human nature. We have laws and lawyers on every corner to take your case, I think that's the best that can be done. I
know my son is far less "racist" than I ever was at his age, and my 95 year old mom is still more racist than I've every been, I think it just takes
time to assimilate and blend.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | | Quote: Originally posted by TMW | | My daughter worked two and sometimes three jobs to put herself thru nursing school while raising two kids as a single mom. It's the choices we make in
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Bingo Mr TMW.....
It's all about the choices and effort put forth.
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Yep. Being a single parent is a choice.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | Earn it, work for it, effort and the right choices along the way.
A likely ticket to a fulfilling adulthood.
Not for Joe.......just blame whitey.....
Pffffff.....
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Easy to say when your the whitey! Intolerance is indemic.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Terminator | My parents saved for my college and my wife and I saved for our son's college. It's amazing what two parents can do with a plan.
It's all about choices and options; moving, relocating, certifications, networking, sacrificing, working harder and longer. Point is, you can do
very well if you're willing to what it takes. I'm 60, and personally, I've never seen a single person in my life fail at being successful who didn't
give it their all. Not a single one. People who fail always have an excuse and it's very rarely their fault.
No country on earth is perfect by any respect. But almost every country on earth has been both segregated and racist since the beginning of human
civilization. Most countries are still very segregate and racist towards any people that's not "them". The Unites States has made strides and
pretty much leads the world in trying to be integrated, but frankly, people in general are just more comfortable with somebody that looks like them
(as stated above) and that works both ways for all colors too. I'm the first to reach out my hand in friendship and always have been, but I feel
we're trying to mico-regulate human nature. We have laws and lawyers on every corner to take your case, I think that's the best that can be done. I
know my son is far less "racist" than I ever was at his age, and my 95 year old mom is still more racist than I've every been, I think it just takes
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Timinator, I read post after post from you how great, you, your mother, wife, and daughter are, and how all of you pulled yourselves by your
bootstraps. That's great, however, not everybody in life is successful as you and your family.
So when you are talking about saving for college, we have to go by averages and unfortunately on average, only 10% of students get their whole tuition
paid by their parents, nor are students paying for their college by working part-time, as DaliDali wants them to.
This is the reality below, so the goal of parents, government, collages, and students, is how to improve on this.
Timinator, thanks for admitting racism, is a problem everywhere, including the USA, and that most people would rather be with people who look like
them, and no doubt that includes the work place. White Americans, especially ultraconservatives, usually will never admit this is true, and DaliDali,
is an example of this type of thinking.
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The reality:
Nearly half of the college graduates we surveyed paid for college without any assistance. Only about 10% received about half their tuition
from their family. Fewer than one in ten people had the majority of their college finances supported by their parents.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/priceonomics/2017/05/18/how-muc...
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Character Joe......it's what some have and some don't.
If a kid doesn't have enough for schooling, either by parents help or a government loan/grant program....working and earning some never hurt anyone.
Work begats character.....even if part time to help fund an education.
Grants/loans/parent help......come up short on those?.....WORK for the rest.......
Or just blame whitey for it all.....ok got that.
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Did you know that about 55% of all students attending a CA state college or university don't pay tuition.
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What's a shame is that 70% of graduating seniors go into blue collar work and most all shop classes are a thing of the past. Plastics, Electronics,
Auto, Machine and Wood shop are all history. I have two buddies with successful machine shops that can't find a single competent sole to work for
them. They pay well, but kids just haven't got a clue.
Personally, I can fix almost anything including, but that's a thing of the past. I can't imagine not having all the shop classes I took before being
out on my own. I'm not for free college, it will make college crap and worthless to society by pumping out idiots. I think ever kid should have to
take a half dozen semesters of some shop class in High School as well as Speech classes from 1st grade through 12th. Every kid, ever semester. I
personally know too many people who dropped out of college the day they had to give a speech in Speech Class. Just crazy.
As far as racism. Well, the United States has nothing to apologize to anybody for. The world was a different place then and most of the slaves were
brought to the America's before the United States was even a county. Way more whites died freeing the slaves in the United States than did blacks.
But that was a long time ago, and frankly, I'm 100% Italian and all my ancestors migrated legally to the United States, then learned English and
acclimated in the early 1900's. So, I honestly have nothing to apologize for nor will I ever pay any reparations to anybody. I will, do, and have
created several business and employed many people of all races and colors, that's what the United States is about, that's how it's done. Not taking
more money from people to give it to others so they can live at a higher standard of living than they are willing to provide for themselves. That's
what makes everybody successful and pulls people out of poverty. Not handouts and government care. Better wake up soon.
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Attending Catholic School ? CYA !
Sodomy is their hobby.
And, there's a LOT of those Papists in charge looking for new kids to Bugger.
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65% of any HS graduating class will never see the inside of a college classroom
What are we to do with them now that there are no "Industrial Arts" classes and ALL students are forced into "college ready"?
Only 1 in 4 college grads are working in the field of their degree
Ask Mike Rowe about his foundation that has 10s of thousands of high paying jobs (some 6 figures) in "industry" that go begging to be filled and
training is provided.
We don't need "life long, living wage jobs" at Mickey Ds flippin burgers! ITS AN ENTRY LEVEL JOB FOR GOD'S SAKE! Learn something else and move up in
life. In other words- "get off your ass and do something"! I've got lots of friends who are not "of my color" who are or have been very successful in
life. They didn't do it by having a "living wage" at Mickeys.
Who gets hurt the most by unlimited "open border" immigration?
Its always the lowest tier of workers already in the USA.
E Verify would solve all the issues but there is no one member of Congress (either side of the isle) that is willing to make it happen! They are all
cowards. Every one of them
If we want "comprehensive background checks" for all firearms purchases why not extend it to immigration and voting?
Why do Asian's seem to succeed in large numbers compared to other ethnic groups? Could it be "family involvement" in education and life choices?
My Mother came through Ellis Island as an immigrant in 1924. She did it legal and learned English and became a US citizen so I have a low tolerance
for "illegal" immigration. I've also been invited to 2 swearing in ceremonies for new citizens. I felt honored to be there to be with them on one of
their greatest days.
I too raised two boys from 13 yrs old on as a single parent. Both went on to get degrees and good paying "career" jobs. Never had a day of problems
with either of them even up till now when they are 50 and 46 yrs old. We were down to our last $400 at one time and still made it through. One needs
to get off their ass and do something to make it happen. Handouts will never lead to success.
Wouldn't have had a problem if they became plumbers or nail pounders as long as they did something worthwhile.
2 questions before the arrows fly-
Has there ever been a single country in the entire world where
"Socialism" has ever succeeded? If so name it.
A question I have asked numerous times with no answer offered-
Does any sovereign country in the world have the right to enforce
their own borders? If so, who?
Shields up Mr Sulu!!!!!!
You chose your position in life today by what YOU did yesterday
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AND....NAFTA will solve all these problems HOW?
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You're on to something Cliffy...
I am still looking for some answers or reasons why, that the K-12 Cali public school system is still near the bottom of the barrel in National
rankings.
Despite the billions upon billions ($ 50) in annual funding, and almost on every ballot, there is another attempt to float some school bonds.
A proposal to increase this by billions is on the table now. Giving a per student jump by $6500.
Assembly Bill 2808
No judgements here.....just a reason or answer why, Cali can't put out a higher scoring student, year after year, despite the money being pumped that
way.
Is it just a funding issue?
I think it's reasonable for the ratepayers to ask why this low ranking continues.
https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/california/californ...
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I don't know who is more impressive, Timinator or Cliffy?
Timinator, and family continues to impress, and Timinator, is jack of all trades, Climate Scientific, Jr College teacher, along with a professor wife,
and a jack of all trades, who can fix anything who seems to have learned his skills in shop class.
I do remember my shop classes in Middle school, where I made bookends in "Woodshop," and a leather wallet in some other shop class, that are skills
that served me wel through the years.
Again Timinator, not everybody can be as talented as you, so when you make recommendations, make them towards the average persons otherwise your
solutions are nothing but pipe dreams from a bygone era you seem to want to live in.
Timinator wrote:"Personally, I can fix almost anything including, but that's a thing of the past. I can't imagine not having all the shop
classes I took before being out on my own."
Cliffy, is another one, with a great family starting with his mother coming in Ellis island, where Cliffy has a low tolerance to immigrants, and who
can't help himself asking this question ad nauseam," Does any sovereign country in the world have the right to enforce their own borders?"
Again, Cliffy, not everybody can be as great as your mother, you, and your two sons. Do try to tone down the personal greatness stories and offer
solutions to the middle and blacksheeps of the family that everybody has, except for you and Tim.
I do have to question Cliffy's logic with statements like this:
Cliffy wrote:E Verify would solve all the issues but there is no one member of Congress (either side of the isle) that is willing to make it
happen! They are all cowards. Every one of them
Why are members of Congress cowards, where they are only serving their constituents who they only care about, big business? Get a clue Cliffy,
Congress doesn't care about "nativists" except during elections.
Oh I love this quote from Cliffy:
Cliffy wrote: If we want "comprehensive background checks" for all firearms purchases why not extend it to immigration and voting?
I wonder about your logic Cliffy, I think they already do background checks for immigrants, but really you want background checks to vote?
Cliffy why background checks to vote?
Well personally, I would love to see education and sanity checks for all Trump voters, seeing his base is strongest in uneducated and rural parts of
many states, but it's only a dream, and not something I would really ask for.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | You're on to something Cliffy...
I am still looking for some answers or reasons why, that the K-12 Cali public school system is still near the bottom of the barrel in National
rankings.
Despite the billions upon billions ($ 50) in annual funding, and almost on every ballot, there is another attempt to float some school bonds.
A proposal to increase this by billions is on the table now. Giving a per student jump by $6500.
Assembly Bill 2808
No judgements here.....just a reason or answer why, Cali can't put out a higher scoring student, year after year, despite the money being pumped that
way.
Is it just a funding issue?
I think it's reasonable for the ratepayers to ask why this low ranking continues.
https://www.abc10.com/article/news/local/california/californ...
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This probably has a lot to do with it:
"Only 64.1% of California students have parents who are fluent English speakers, the smallest share of any state in the country."
Also, only 7 states spend less than California on a per-pupil basis, according to this article.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/economy/2018/02/08/geog...
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