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Los Cabos Today, Safer Than Ever
Saw this in my LinkedIn feed today.
[Edited on 7-30-2018 by JZ]
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In the period of 2017 Cabo increased violent crime to 365 murders, or about 1 per day (reported) up 500% from the previous year, for a population of
about 330,00 making BCS the most dangerous city in the world with 111 murders per 100,000.
https://www.businessinsider.com/most-violent-cities-in-the-w...
Violence continued at the same rate into March 2018. Then 5000 federal forces arrived and some remained, while local police protest their presence. http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/se-llego-a-un-acuerdo-entre-polici...
Recently a jefe de plaza of La Paz was arrested.
http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/detienen-a-operador-del-grupo-crim...
Today the US State Dept orders a Mexico travel advisory Level 2 urging increased caution when traveling to Cabo and Federal employees are banned from
travel to Cabo.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/...
So, there was a reduction of official counted murders, though the total amount has not diminished greatly and Baja California and Baja California Sur
remain among the most dangerous places in the world for violent crime.
Today, murders are still reported daily as well as bodies and skeletons discovered daily.
So there was a slowdown of reported violence in April, May, June in BCS but not BC. Now it appears that violent crime is continuing at a similar rate
as before according to news reports and bodies and skeletons left in arroyos are being discovered, though not yet identified.
Baja (BCS+BC) is a great place, but remains considered one of the most dangerous places in the world for violent crime.
http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/encuentran-restos-oseos-en-carrete...
http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/?s=balazos
http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/?s=sin+vida
http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/este-domingo-localizaron-a-hombre-...
https://www.insightcrime.org/news/analysis/expanding-mexico-...
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The tourist bureau and hotels will do anything to keep the tourists coming.
https://www.travelpulse.com/news/destinations/los-cabos-is-a...
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From the link
https://www.insightcrime.org/news/analysis/expanding-mexico-...
that gnukid provided:
"According to the Justice in Mexico report, the violence in Baja California Sur is one of the many ripples in the criminal landscape generated by the
arrest and extradition of Sinaloa Cartel kingpin Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán.
Two competing factions, one led by Guzmán’s sons and another by an influential lieutenant named Dámaso López, alias “Licenciado,” have fought
to take over the organization following El Chapo’s demise, with neither side achieving success. This has fueled violence across the expanse of
territory the Sinaloa Cartel has dominated, including Baja California Sur.
López’s clique has persisted even after his arrest in May 2017. It also sought support from the Jalisco Cartel New Generation (Cartel Jalisco Nueva
Generación – CJNG), which has emerged as one of the largest organizations in the country over the past several years. This has served to aggravate
the challenges, as the group’s gunmen have inundated Baja California Sur and its northern neighbor, Baja California."
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Quote: Originally posted by gnukid  | In the period of 2017 Cabo increased violent crime to 365 murders, or about 1 per day (reported) up 500% from the previous year, for a population of
about 330,00 making BCS the most dangerous city in the world with 111 murders per 100,000.
https://www.businessinsider.com/most-violent-cities-in-the-w...
Violence continued at the same rate into March 2018. Then 5000 federal forces arrived and some remained, while local police protest their presence. http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/se-llego-a-un-acuerdo-entre-polici...
Recently a jefe de plaza of La Paz was arrested.
http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/detienen-a-operador-del-grupo-crim...
Today the US State Dept orders a Mexico travel advisory Level 2 urging increased caution when traveling to Cabo and Federal employees are banned from
travel to Cabo.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/...
So, there was a reduction of official counted murders, though the total amount has not diminished greatly and Baja California and Baja California Sur
remain among the most dangerous places in the world for violent crime.
Today, murders are still reported daily as well as bodies and skeletons discovered daily.
So there was a slowdown of reported violence in April, May, June in BCS but not BC. Now it appears that violent crime is continuing at a similar rate
as before according to news reports and bodies and skeletons left in arroyos are being discovered, though not yet identified.
Baja (BCS+BC) is a great place, but remains considered one of the most dangerous places in the world for violent crime.
http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/encuentran-restos-oseos-en-carrete...
http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/?s=balazos
http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/?s=sin+vida
http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/este-domingo-localizaron-a-hombre-...
https://www.insightcrime.org/news/analysis/expanding-mexico-...
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I'm not saying it's not a little sketchy right now.
But that is just a terrible post. Do you have that queued up in a word doc and just run around posting it in every thread on this topic. Because no
way you took the time to type all that out.
Either way, that was just horrible and sad.
[Edited on 7-31-2018 by JZ]
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They stood united. Not sure with whom but I’m impressed.
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I'll still go, I could die of cancer or some ass bite on his cell phone could run me down tomorrow! I'll take Baja!
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Your not in Kansas anymore...……..
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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Los Cabos, is extremely safe, don't let the fear mongers, alarmists, and scaredy cats, scare you from taking a vacation to Los Cabos, and really any
place else in Baja.
Many people know that most of the homicides in Mexico are up to 90% drug related, and I would guess the other 5% involved another vice, or the
victims did something very stupid that contributed to their own demise. Maybe another small percentage of tourists, were killed randomly, or had an
accident. ( actually getting hit by a car has a good percentage)
Also do not fall for the BS where some fear mongering article ranks the most dangerous cities in the world by using only homicides per 100,000,
because that's only one scale. If you want to do that, some of the other more objective ranking use about 15 or more different danger scales to come
out with a so-called "danger" level of similar sized cities.
Of course it's a little bit alarming seeing one city with 10 deaths per 100,000 compared to 100 deaths per 100,000. But it can also be very
misleading if one of those cities were small like Rosarito, that doesn't count the number of undocumented Americans, living in that city, and
Rosarito, has a very small population, and so homocides per 100,000 could really be skewed by a bad weekend because the city is so small to begin
with.
I would like to ask, if anybody really trust a scale of deaths per 100,000 and then walk down a street late at night in South Central LA, that's part
of Los Angeles, and therefore has a very low homicide rate, vs walking by the Marina in Los Cabos, that has a higher homocide rate per 100,000
because the rating considers the whole area of Baja California Sur.
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They have a plan.
Los Cabos is Safer Than Ever
Cabo San Lucas is a destination that takes safety and security very seriously.
Rodrigo Esponda, managing director of the Los Cabos Tourism Board, wants to make sure consumers and trade professionals far and wide understand that
message.
"We have a comprehensive plan to make sure Los Cabos remains a safe place to visit," Esponda said during an in-depth interview with TravelPulse. "We
understand there are many concerns when people travel. Los Cabos is a beautiful place with desert, mountains and the ocean. The value of the product
we have is superior to many other places. But we must make sure Los Cabos is a safe place to keep visiting, as it has been."
https://www.travelpulse.com/news/destinations/los-cabos-is-s...
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'Baja (BCS+BC) is a great place, but remains considered one of the most dangerous places in the world for violent crime.''
Most dangerous place compared to ___________?
Baja. Not for everyone.
Ask shari if she's scared in Cabo.
Great food, great shopping, great people. I love Cabo.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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According to the data, Baja is the most dangerous place in the world, but certainly many places do not report civilian crime properly, Baja included.
How is it possible Baja is more dangerous than Iraq, Afghanistan, or no go zones in other cities? It is the most dangerous in the world according to
the data.
Personally I am just trying to process all this, over the past few years things got much worse, I have heard and seen so many shootouts, seen people
get shot by sicarios on the same street, seen bodies on the side road and there have been disappearances. We are numb and go about day when weapons
fire nearby.
Everyone I know is aware and still go to Baja with children and wives and they laugh and laugh out loud when I say it's dangerous, except of course
Federal worker friends who are banned from visiting, which is too bad since they want to visit too. No one seems to care about the issues since it
doesn't affect us directly, except the threat of getting your camp stuff stolen and cars broken into, ripped off by service providers or poisoned by
bad drinks. There are days when people get killed who no one thought was involved and yet they are targeted?
Baja is much more dangerous and more corrupt than most of us are really aware but it is a beautiful place, with truly great people and most of us here
will go and enjoy the beautiful beaches and have good times. Point: It is important to be realistic and be aware and take precautions.
It seems people in Baja are very perceptive of who is a bad person and who is a good person, and are incredibly intuitive, kind and brave.
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According to the survey, of the 50 most dangerous cities in the world, it comes from the NGO,( non-governmental organization) "Citizen Council for
Public and Criminal Security, in Mexico city.
This think tank, does this survey/ranking every year, and it appears the ranking is only based on only one category, homicides per 100,000 where Los
Cabos, had 111 deaths per 100,000 in 2017 and no doubt this popular tourist destination was under counted and skewed because of the amount of
tourists who visit this vacation spot daily, and the city's small size compared to real big cities like Mexico City.
We know nothing about the "Citizen Council of Public and Criminal Security, and this matters because NGO/think tanks, are often notorious for being
political, right or left wing, and are often funded by deep pocket groups with an agenda.
We also don't know how this think tank, arrived at their rankings, because it sure looks like they used one category and that's homicides per 100,000
which does a good job of selling headlines, but is hardy accurate because it's only looking at one category.
If you're going to sit there fearing, and scared about taking a vacation to Los Cabos, you should also avoid St Louis, Baltimore, Detroit, and New
Orleans, because those cities in the US also made the most dangerous cities in the world list, and that would be a shame because New Orleans, is a
great vacation spot, like Cabo, although it does have some places I would avoid in that city.
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It's absurd to claim Los Cabos, the most dangerous city in the world!
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Los Cabos, the most dangerous city in the world 2017
Reporter: EFE
Los Cabos, in Baja California Sur, was registered in 2017 as the most violent city in the world, with Caracas second and Acapulco third, according to
information divulged in Mexico.
"With a rate of 111.33 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants, in 2017 Los Cabos was the most violent city in the world, included for the first time in
these rankings", indicated the Citizens Council for Public Security and Penal Justice.
In its annual list, was indicated with a slightly lower rate of 111.19 the second placed Caracas, capital of Venezuela, followed by Acapulco with a
rate of 106.63. The report indicated that, based on its classification, that it had been determined that there has been a "rapid and pronounced
decrease" in homicides in cities of Honduras.
read the rest here:
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2018/03/los-cabos-most-dangero...
also look here at the breakdown of each of the cities making the list:
https://www.businessinsider.com/most-violent-cities-in-the-w...
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Source in the post #1 has all the signs of a commercial advertising.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe |
This think tank, does this survey/ranking every year, and it appears the ranking is only based on only one category, homicides per 100,000 where Los
Cabos, had 111 deaths per 100,000 in 2017 and no doubt this popular tourist destination was under counted and skewed |
If no tourists were killed in Los Cabos, then the homicide rates reflect that of the resident population. So, that is a fair depiction. Cities in the
USA do not adjust their homicide rates for their transient tourist population either. Nothing is skewed. Tourists are ignored in all the computations,
and many US cities have a far greater transient tourist flow.
Also homicide rates are based upon a full-time population over the entire year. If, for example, 2 million people visit Los Cabos each year for a one
week vacation, you would have to divide that by 52 weeks. That would only increase the equivalent full-time population of Los Cabos by 38,000 people.
Not enough to even make a dent in the homicide rate.
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| Quote: Originally posted by redmercury | | Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe |
This think tank, does this survey/ranking every year, and it appears the ranking is only based on only one category, homicides per 100,000 where Los
Cabos, had 111 deaths per 100,000 in 2017 and no doubt this popular tourist destination was under counted and skewed |
If no tourists were killed in Los Cabos, then the homicide rates reflect that of the resident population. So, that is a fair depiction. Cities in the
USA do not adjust their homicide rates for their transient tourist population either. Nothing is skewed. Tourists are ignored in all the computations,
and many US cities have a far greater transient tourist flow.
Also homicide rates are based upon a full-time population over the entire year. If, for example, 2 million people visit Los Cabos each year for a one
week vacation, you would have to divide that by 52 weeks. That would only increase the equivalent full-time population of Los Cabos by 38,000 people.
Not enough to even make a dent in the homicide rate. |
Nice try Red, but Los Cabos, only has population of 300,000 according to the survey, and I'm reading last year Los Cabos, had more than 2.1 million
visitors, yet none of those margarita drinking tourists are being counted in the survey that lists the 50 most dangerous cities in the world.
Then again, maybe the tourist shouldn't be counted because they really aren't in danger while staying in those $300 dollars rooms in the beach resort
town on Los Cabos.
I don't think most people consider Los Cabos, the most dangerous city in the world. It's actually funny to me to hear that, and it just goes to show
you how statistics could skew data, especially when working with small numbers.( 300,000 population for Los Cabos, is a small number compared with
cities with 3 million people)
There is no way Los Cabos, should be compared to Caracas, Venezuela, a major city of the world with a population of 3,000,000 people.
If anything they should compare cities with a population of 1 million or more people to get a fair representation of an apple to apple comparison.
Hey Red Mercury, don't we know each other? It's rare that I will talk to a new member with only 20 posts.
Here is the link that shows how many foreign toursts visit Los Cabos:
Last year, Los Cabos had more than 2.1 million visitors, 75 percent of them international travelers and the majority of those from the United
States, said Rodrigo Esponda, the managing director of the Los Cabos Tourism Board.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/world/americas/los-cabos-...
[Edited on 7-31-2018 by JoeJustJoe]
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | According to the data, Baja is the most dangerous place in the world, but certainly many places do not report civilian crime properly, Baja included.
How is it possible Baja is more dangerous than Iraq, Afghanistan, or no go zones in other cities? It is the most dangerous in the world according to
the data.
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It's very easy to see how Baja can seem more dangerous than Iraq, or Afghanistan, it's because the ranking does not count deaths in combat zones.
So what's left if most of those death in Iraq, or Afghanistan are caused by war?
Again, it's an unfair attack on Baja by making the claim that Iraq, or Afghanistan, is less dangerous than Baja, when they are not counting all the
deaths in combat zones.
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The ranking contains cities with populations of more than 300,000 and does not count deaths in combat zones or cities with unavailable data,
so some dangerous cities don't appear on the list
https://www.businessinsider.com/most-violent-cities-in-the-w...
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Winner!
Making America Great Again
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I tell people "If you don't feel safe going to Baja, don't go!"
I will not let others decide what I should fear and where I should go based on those fears. I will be there next week and for a week next month.
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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Winner?? You'd have to be dead and buried in the ground to not know that. Why you think it's an enlighten comment that deserves such excitement,
well, that escapes me.
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I wonder if the Danger, dange! reporter was influenced in any way by a terrible time share deal that they bought into in Cabo?
On a serious note, I acknowledge there is a real possibility of bad things happening, but the odds are very slim that it will happen on any typical
tourist adventure.
I don't spend any time there anymore, but that is not based on fear. It is too big, and busy for me. I prefer places that are more remote, or more
like Cabo used to be in the 80s!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
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