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Timinator
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Ice Cores are one tool, but they are far from perfect by themselves. Ice Cores from different regions, which are supposedly from the same era/time,
don't show the same thing. They are very good indicators at one site/region, but they don't always correlate to other regions/Ice Cores at the same
"time" globally (big problem). That's been the problem. Besides, increases in CO2 doesn't always correlate with increased temperatures and nobody
knows why. The last Ice Age 15K years ago had CO2 consistent with today in "most" Ice Core readings, but we had an Ice Age. We don't know why we
had an Ice Age, and we don't know why it stopped. We just don't know. What we do know is now we are still coming out of an Ice Age. So, yes, temps
are always going to be warming. I know, we're warming faster, than before, or are we? We've been told were having more frequent and bigger
hurricanes too, but we're absolutely are not. We've been told a lot of chit by politicians and government that's just not true. They haven't even
been consistent on what we should eat, that's literally flip-flopped 3 times in my lifetime. So, believe what you will, I honestly don't care.
Having worked on government projects, I will never trust them to tell you the truth, because very few of them, if any, know the truth, and that's been
the most consistent fact throughout my life.
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John Harper
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Quote: Originally posted by Timinator  | | Having worked on government projects, I will never trust them to tell you the truth, because very few of them, if any, know the truth, and that's been
the most consistent fact throughout my life. |
Some people you could never convince the sun rises in the east.
And, what is the truth if you deny everything?
John
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Hey Timinator, since you claim, you're an Atmospheric Scientist, that I'm having a real hard time believing.
Why don't you ever have any links to scientific studies to back up what you're saying about our climate? It's all about citing your sources.
Timinator wrote" I am an Atmospheric Scientist."
[Edited on 8-8-2018 by JoeJustJoe]
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| Quote: Originally posted by Timinator | I. The last Ice Age 15K years ago had CO2 consistent with today in "most" Ice Core readings, but we had an Ice Age. We don't know why we had an Ice
Age, and we don't know why it stopped.
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Hey Timmy, since your cedibility has taken such a big hit thatnks to - well lets call them "mistatements", minor stuff like claiming to be a
atmospheric scientist - then having to walk that back, and numerous other claims. and ignoring the request for simply posting a link to a couple of
your peer reviewed papers on climate change?
I'm here to help you Timmy:
so lets make this real simple and direct
got a source for the following statements, the easy ones, the ones I highlighted by using red text??
"In addition, all the temperature data that was used by all the contractors who worked on the government contracts to develop the climate models used
forged data to predict climate change. The original data that was collected was both incomplete and didn't meet the QA/QC standards, so it was
manipulated to get the numbers they wanted. n addition, all the temperature data that was used by all the contractors who worked on the government
contracts to develop the climate models used forged data to predict climate change. The original data that was collected was both incomplete and
didn't meet the QA/QC standards, so it was manipulated to get the numbers they wanted. Then, ALL the original data was
destroyed. Every bit of data is gone so the original data can't be checked or verified.[/color] That's why NOTHING has happened that was
predicted 25+ years ago. Polar ice caps are still there, polar bears are more prolific than before, Florida sea level
hasn't moved a cm much less the state being under 3' of water. It's a lie. That's why NOTHING has happened that was predicted 25+ years ago.
Polar ice caps are still there, polar bears are more prolific than before, Florida sea level hasn't moved a cm much less the state being under 3' of
water. It's a lie.
can you give me a citation where I can verify your claims?
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caj13
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hey Timmy,
I'm a bit confused. every graph and piece of data I can find (based on ice core samples) indicate during the last Ice age atmpspheric co2 levels
were about 200 ppm, now they are 400 ppm.
yet you claim: The last Ice Age 15K years ago had CO2 consistent with today in "most" Ice Core readings, but we had an Ice
Age.
obviously I'm either reading the graph wrong, or you know of some data that contradicts that? care to point me in the right direction?
[Edited on 8-8-2018 by caj13]
[Edited on 8-8-2018 by caj13]
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"The atmosphere of Earth is the layer of gases, commonly known as air, that surrounds the planet Earth and is retained by Earth's gravity. The
atmosphere of Earth protects life on Earth by creating pressure allowing for liquid water to exist on the Earth's surface, absorbing ultraviolet solar
radiation, warming the surface through heat retention (greenhouse effect), and reducing temperature extremes between day and night (the diurnal
temperature variation)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth
Now just add additional "atoms" in very large qualities outside these parameters and what does one get back from those additions ... Some rather basic
Chemistry and Physics IMO ... 
[Edited on 8-8-2018 by wessongroup]
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Timinator
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Exactly what I said, depends on where you take the ice core samples from. They all don't reflect the same PPM of CO2 for the last ice age. Ice core
samples CO2 amounts vary by region. It's easy to do what you're doing base it all on one ice core that fist your hypothesis/agenda. Al Gore is great
at using a single data points to support his claims. Get them all to say the same thing, that's been the problem.
My statements about data being fudged are by the following company(s). Westec Services, ERCE Environmental, Odgen Environmental. All of which I
worked at and which were bought out by bigger and bigger companies over 10 years. I know the data was fudged because I was one of few people who were
tasked at filling in the missing data. I'm just telling you from first hand knowledge. This was how it was done because it kept the company in the
running for followup work. If we failed to produce the data we were being paid to, we would never get another contract and/or have to pay to do the
study again ourselves or go out of business. However, there was no mention of GW then, and when the boss holding the doctorate in Meteorology says
we need to have data for those times, you give him data. Straight out of college travelling all over living the dream, you do what you're told.
The data that's taken, depending on the type and instrumentation, is taken from every few seconds to every minute. That is the "RAW" data. From that
data, the requirements in the contracts state we're to make 1 hour averages and that's what get's reported. In some cases, we were missing weeks of
data that got just best guessed and filled in. In other cases, it was found the instrumentation itself overheated in their enclosures and pushed data
so far out of it's range of QC standards, we fudged it back within, made up acceptable 1 hour averages and moved on.
As far as the temperature data set for the GW Models was concerned, it was the temperature data set from an EPA Study on Acid Rain. This study was
the largest and most complete every conducted in the United States. However, when it was all said and done, most of the Data did not meet the QA/QC
Standards that were required of the study so the data WAS NEVER USED. However, along comes Global Warming and they needed data. They had no
requirements and they needed lot's of temperature data so that's the data set they used. And that's the fact. The original data after averaged into
1 hour averages is pretty much junked. There is no going back. You can ask your GW buddies and gurus "where's the beef" and they can point to 1 hour
averages but not the raw data, it's gone because it never met the QA/QC of the original project.
Those companies mentioned above worked on several aspects of the temperature data collection including; designing the study, executing the
installation of the meteorological stations, data collection and analysis, and auditing the stations bi-monthly (should have been at least every
month). But you never audited the stations you installed, nor did you audit the stations you took data from, that was done by another company. It's
was such a large project that a dozen companies were involved all over the United States.
As GW came on the scene, many of the same companies worked on segments of the GW Model. Our company was one of them. That's how I know what data
set was used, also because there were only 6 or 7 of us in the Air Quality Division of the company. That's how it worked back then. There wasn't
millions or 100's of millions of dollars of AQ work going on. That one EPA Acid Rain study was the biggest every and way too big for any one company
because no one company had a staff of a 100 or so air quality and atmospheric specialists, so it had to be divided up across regions of the United
States.
I'm real sorry you can't Google your balls off on all of this, but not everything that got done back then people know about. It's easy to Google
anything to fit any agenda you have though. Unlike the ball busters here with no first hand knowledge whatsoever, that's not what I'm doing. I'm
giving it to you straight exactly that way it happened. I don't think I could honestly make this all up if I tried.
The raw data that GW Models used to predict GW and separate you from you money and freedoms does not exist. Period. Maybe you should try asking Al
Gore to prove it? That is why no prediction made then, or ever, has panned out or happened. They keep tweaking the Models every year with first hand
knowledge and ground data, and STILL they can't predict a thing. Fact.
Although I enjoy this to a point, it's really getting a big personal and grating. Like most liberals you get too personal do all the name calling BS,
so enjoy your life and Baja.
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John Harper
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There you go again, an unsubstantiated opinion. I read all the posts in this thread, no one has called you names. Perhaps questioned your
credentials as an "Atmospheric Scientist," but you are the one who put that out there for question. Again, no name calling I've seen.
And, it's quite a reach to generalize "liberals" as the only name callers. I thought you conservatives love using the word "snowflake", making a
pejorative out of "liberal", and "progressive?" Et tu, Timinator?
John
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joerover
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the oil company bought the patent for electric cars in 1907. 25 mph, 125 miles on a charge. No permiso.
About 100 years later the electric car company wants to try again.
[Edited on 8-8-2018 by joerover]
the fat lady is breeding
which means
The fat ladys are breeding
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joerover
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Is this a hurrican thread?
or
try to explain something to an old dog thread.
the fat lady is breeding
which means
The fat ladys are breeding
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Surely Dawg, you really don't expect Nomania to stay on topic for more than three quarters of the first page now, do ya?
*hint* ~ See Shari's thread on Hurricane John.... but you better hurry, it's at 3/4's now.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
86 - 45*
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha | Surely Dawg, you really don't expect Nomania to stay on topic for more than three quarters of the first page now, do ya?
*hint* ~ See Shari's thread on Hurricane John.... but you better hurry, it's at 3/4's now. |
I was just thinking about going to that thread and posting some fun facts about the water temps around Juneau!
It ain't Baja, but that never stopped a hijack before. Beside that, this thread is full! 
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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caj13
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| Quote: Originally posted by Timinator | | Exactly what I said, depends on where you take the ice core samples from. They all don't reflect the same PPM of CO2 for the last ice age. Ice core
samples CO2 amounts vary by region. |
I have seen data from 4 different core sample sites, all of em seem to be pretty consistant. would you care to point out a few who show co2 levels
the same from now to 15K years ago?
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Whither Ways the Weather ?
Heaven KNOWS, But I've been TOLD .....................
As one who communicates (at Least) daily with the Divine Dude (and Master Meteorologist), he confided to me that he's just having fun messing
with minds.
Giving the Sin Folk a little taste of what waits on the other side if they don't fall in line.
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Funny how the issue of global warming comes up on this forum over and over. Let me say this. The earth has been warming up for the last 15,000
years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_glaciation
However, according to the article above, many times over the last 450,000 years the earth has been FROZEN, a condition closely correlated with the
tilt of the earth's axis. Fortunately (for the human race, anyway) in the last 15,000 years it has been warming up. The question is whether or not
human activity is accelerating the current warming trend. I tend to be skeptical of anything the media reports because its the media's job to
SENSATIONALIZE. Killer Bees! Tijuana sewage! West Nile Virus! Global Warming!!!! The general population, most of whom are too stupid to realize
that tailgating the bumper of the car ahead of them on the freeway will not get them where they are going any faster, accepts as fact whatever they
hear on the news.
Even if humans ARE causing the planet to heat up faster, its a bit of a "tragedy of the commons" situation. Am I going to sit in a puddle of sweat
while my neighbor runs his A/C at 72 degrees? Will Al Gore stop jetting around the globe giving lectures because he feels guilty about his carbon
footprint? Yeah, put that nuclear power plant next door, cut down on the CO2. Only a decrease in the human population will change the situation.
And, if you read the article above, the odds are that it will be another ice age that does it, perhaps sooner than later. Ice ball earth, anyone?
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| Quote: Originally posted by bajaric | Funny how the issue of global warming comes up on this forum over and over. Let me say this. The earth has been warming up for the last 15,000
years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_glaciation
However, according to the article above, many times over the last 450,000 years the earth has been FROZEN, a condition closely correlated with the
tilt of the earth's axis. Fortunately (for the human race, anyway) in the last 15,000 years it has been warming up. The question is whether or not
human activity is accelerating the current warming trend. I tend to be skeptical of anything the media reports because its the media's job to
SENSATIONALIZE. Killer Bees! Tijuana sewage! West Nile Virus! Global Warming!!!! The general population, most of whom are too stupid to realize
that tailgating the bumper of the car ahead of them on the freeway will not get them where they are going any faster, accepts as fact whatever they
hear on the news.
Even if humans ARE causing the planet to heat up faster, its a bit of a "tragedy of the commons" situation. Am I going to sit in a puddle of sweat
while my neighbor runs his A/C at 72 degrees? Will Al Gore stop jetting around the globe giving lectures because he feels guilty about his carbon
footprint? Yeah, put that nuclear power plant next door, cut down on the CO2. Only a decrease in the human population will change the situation.
And, if you read the article above, the odds are that it will be another ice age that does it, perhaps sooner than later. Ice ball earth, anyone?
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This is where my REAL Economics degree* comes in handy. To quote famous economist John Maynard Keynes:
"In the long run, we are all dead."
John
*UCSD, 1980
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There IS data that shows an alarming exponential rate of global warming that is unprecedented. Never happened before. EVER. And there is a direct
correlation to the burning of fossil fuels starting in the nineteenth century. We have two choices: acknowledge it or keep our heads buried in the
sand. But at this point it really does't matter - we have gone too far to turn it back. Change should have been made 30 years ago when scientists
first started ringing alarm bells. So enjoy the fires and hurricanes, not gonna get better.
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Baja Mama....I agree with you!
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Is 7+ Billion mouth breathers enough? How many are too many? THAT is the question!
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Excellent, high-quality, 45-minute video about rising oceans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp6_sDiup6U
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