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jbrown
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border crossing into USA
Is it correct that I can return to USA with an original birth certificate and government issued photo id (enhansed driver license)? My passport can
not be renewed intime for the Baja !000. Can any one comment on the Monalisa Rv park and Playa Campo Rv park. I need to make reservations asap.
Thanks ever so much. Okiegumbo@wcc.net
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Howard
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1: You have time to renew your passport, it doesn't take that long.
2: The rules are you cant use the ID you are talking about to return to the USA
3: The border guards will not deny you entry back, maybe give you a little lip service.
Around 6 months ago I applied for my passport renewal, took a photo copy of the passport and along with my birth certificate crossed with no problem.
They didn't even want to see my birth certificate. I had a feeling that there computers showed it was in for renewal.
Flying is a completely different story.
By the way, do you use that vile, horrible Okra in your Gumbo? 
[Edited on 10-5-2018 by Howard]
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we grow old because we stop playing
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bajaguy
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Can you return to USA with an original birth certificate and government issued photo id??? - Yes. You will be admitted. The CBP doesn't like it and
you might get a lecture or sent to secondary....or just passed through
The other issue with your passport is that you cannot get the FMM (Mexican Immigration form) commonly referred to as a "tourist visa" without a valid
passport or a passport card. If you enter Mexico without the FMM, you are in the country illegally
Quote: Originally posted by jbrown  | | Is it correct that I can return to USA with an original birth certificate and government issued photo id (enhansed driver license)? My passport can
not be renewed intime for the Baja !000. Can any one comment on the Monalisa Rv park and Playa Campo Rv park. I need to make reservations asap.
Thanks ever so much. Okiegumbo@wcc.net |
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sancho
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You can come back with as little as no ID, the threat of
secondary is not the case, they won't make you sing
the Star Spangled Banner. Getting a Tourist Card (fmm),
is another story, I just did a self mail in passport renewal,
17 day to get it mailed to me
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David K
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It's not returning home that requires a passport... It is entering Mexico when you are supposed to get the FMM (Tourist Card) that requires a valid
passport!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | It's not returning home that requires a passport... It is entering Mexico when you are supposed to get the FMM (Tourist Card) that requires a valid
passport! |
Dk,
Actually, USA law says you should have a passport. Not enforced, as a lot of drunken day trippers that cross border don’t bother to know and follow
the law. Just too many scoflaws to prosecute on limited resources.
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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David K
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Yes, you should... but you cannot be denied entry back into your own country. A passport is the best way to prove that. However, following my reply
above, if you don't leave without one, then that is that. Mexico requires your passport to get their FMM that we all are supposed to have to visit
Mexico... even for an hour!
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aburruss
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The Baja 1000 is in the middle of November. In NORMAL circumstances, that is PLENTY of time to get your passport renewed (I'm not sure if you have
some extenuating circumstances??). They will tell you that it might take 6 weeks for normal processing, and up to 4 weeks for an expedited
processing. My experience with the expediting on a new passport OR a renewal is that it takes less than 3 weeks.
Go down to the post office, fill out the paperwork, and pay the extra $60. You'll have it in time. There's also the "super expedited" option, if you
can prove that you have booked travel plans.. The fees look the same, but expedited shipping can also be added on.
Check https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/apply-r... for lots of details.
Again, all this goes out the window if you have some other situation that doesn't allow you to get this going...
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JoeJustJoe
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I pray nobody comes to this thread and says, " it's the law, you have to have your passport, and get you FMM to go to Mexico, even if it's to cross
the border for a day trip."
Sadly, I don't think my prayers will be answered.
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AKgringo
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My passport renewal took less than three weeks, and I just paid the standard fee, no expedited delivery!
Howard had a good suggestion to make photo copies of your passport before you send the old one in with the renewal application. I am a
technophobe/luddite, but I'll bet some of you can do that with your smart phones!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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sancho
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | I pray nobody comes to this thread and says, " it's the law, you have to have your passport, and get you FMM to go to Mexico, even if it's to cross
the border for a day trip."
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Well, I walked across at TJ at the newer Mex Imm, on the
east side of the 5 freeway, 4 yrs. or so back. Upon entering
the bldg. all tourists had to present passport-passport card
to get the free 7 day fmm for a day trip, those who did not
have either, were denied entry and escorted back, do not
know if that is still the same practice by Mex Imm
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JZ
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You can get a passport in 24 hrs.
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Howard
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It's the law, you have to have your passport, and get you FMM to go to Mexico, even if it's to cross the border for a day trip.
By the way how would you feel if a non American were to sneak into the United States or any home country for that matter and then go back to their
county without having to get documentation?
Hopefully my prayers will be answered with a fair and logical answer.
We don't stop playing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop playing
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BajaTed
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Bracero program
Es Todo Bueno
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mtgoat666
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Having met many undocumented immigrants, I find them to mostly be fine people, so I am OK with some undocumented immigrants being present in USA.
They work hard, pay taxes at similar rate as the wealthy that get rich off their low wage labor, and they enrich our communities. I am appalled by
the bigotry and xenophobia that is evident in trump and his base when they spout their anti-immigrant nonsense, attack DACA, and scream and yell for a
wall.
[Edited on 10-6-2018 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: Originally posted by sancho |
Well, I walked across at TJ at the newer Mex Imm, on the
east side of the 5 freeway, 4 yrs. or so back. Upon entering
the bldg. all tourists had to present passport-passport card
to get the free 7 day fmm for a day trip, those who did not
have either, were denied entry and escorted back, do not
know if that is still the same practice by Mex Imm
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If you don't have a passport, don't try to walk across the US/Mexico, border, instead use your car and drive across, although I know a few cases where
US Citizens, walked across without a passport, and still were allowed into Mexico, but it wasn't easy, and I wouldn't advise to try to walk in without
a passport.
However, rules are made to be circumvented, by-passed, side-stepped, and ignored, especially if you want to visit Mexico, but you can't get a
passport, because you can't afford one, or you owe back child support, are on probation, or have a serious felony charge on your record.
I would imagine, the list above, is a good percentage of "Nomad" members from seeing in another thread, how cheap people are that they didn't want to
get both the passport, and pass card for a few extra dollars, and I have known of a few ex-cons on "Baja Nomad' through the years.
Nobody loves Mexico, more than American criminals, looking to hide out, hang out, get drunk, and do drugs.
If you drive over the border, Mexican custom officials, are not stopping cars of US citizens, or others and making them get a FMM filled out, and of
course most people are not stopping and doing it voluntarily. I don't care how many people say it's the law, the fact is most people driving over the
border for a day trip or longer, are not stopping to get a FMM, and nobody seems to care.
In fact I would bet most infrequent US citizens driving into Mexico for a day trip, even know that you are suppose to stop if an get an FMM.
Now as I said before, I usually walk in the US/Mexico, border, and I do have both a passport, and passcard, but I get upset, if they made me fill out
a stupid FMM card, because usually I tell them it's a day trip to the pharmacy, and they let me right through without filling out an FMM.
Regarding the OP's, dilemma, of can not renewing his passport in time. We all mostly know, if you want to pay extra, you could get it done in time, so
perhaps there could be another reason he can't get his passport in time?
Now since he is going really far into Baja, and could be staying longer than a week, even I would advise to get a passport, but if you can't get it
for whatever reason, just drive in with your expired passport, and take your drivers license, and birth certificate.
You know you will be able to get back into the US easily, and what are the Mexican officials going to do with you while you're racing the Baja 1000?
Perhaps pull you over and then deport you? If so, big deal.
[Edited on 10-6-2018 by JoeJustJoe]
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woody with a view
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my passport took 2 weeks.
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gnukid
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Mexican friends who applied for a visa to US were approved and can travel freely to visit US from Mexico legally
US friends who applied for a visa to Mexico were approved and can travel to visit Mexico from US legally
There is no societal benefit to illegal immigration - it benefits transnational criminals to further crime, human exploitation and terrorism
Those who support illegal immigration in either direction are putting populations at certain high risk of danger and exploitation and funding
transnational criminal gang activity
The open border allowing illegal immigrant trafficking is a high risk threat to security on both sides of the border and puts hundreds of thousands of
families and children in danger and certain harm oftentimes in situations that are difficult to recover from
Immigrants are trafficked by transnational gangs who receive $5k for each migrant, illegal immigration is directly funding transnational cartel
activity
Mexican illegal immigrant criminals make up 22% of US prison population - Mexicans are the highest foreign prison population with columbians 2nd
MS13 gang member apprehensions are up 244% y/y
50% of illegal immigrants in 2018 are families and unaccompanied minors, 50% of those are being forced to transport drugs, many are abused, raped,
and trafficked for labor, prostitution and a life of exploitation
Southern border route is used by international terrorists
Illegal immigrants are endangered by coyotes in extremely unsafe conditions
illegal immigrants families and unoccupied minors who are detected are delivered to border patrol in overwhelming numbers with no valid identification
to assist in repatriation - the costs to identify, care and house illegal immigrants is extremely high and increasingly so
Sponsor applicants applying to "foster" unaccompanied minor illegal immigrants are increasingly identified as criminals - 70% of sponsors are
identified criminals in recent 2018 reports
Cartels must constantly invent new ways to profit from the open border to traffic people and contraband
Those illegal immigrants who do arrive in the US must continue a life of criminal activity often with stolen identities and a life outside the rule of
law that is extremely expensive to the legal population - 40 million US social security numbers are reported as stolen and used nefariously in 2018,
at a cost of 5.8 billion in fraudulent irs refunds and 24 billion in refunds prevented in 2015
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Mexican friends who applied for a visa to US were approved and can travel freely to visit US from Mexico legally
US friends who applied for a visa to Mexico were approved and can travel to visit Mexico from US legally
There is no societal benefit to illegal immigration - it benefits transnational criminals to further crime, human exploitation and terrorism
Those who support illegal immigration in either direction are putting populations at certain high risk of danger and exploitation and funding
transnational criminal gang activity
The open border allowing illegal immigrant trafficking is a high risk threat to security on both sides of the border and puts hundreds of thousands of
families and children in danger and certain harm oftentimes in situations that are difficult to recover from
Immigrants are trafficked by transnational gangs who receive $5k for each migrant, illegal immigration is directly funding transnational cartel
activity
Mexican illegal immigrant criminals make up 22% of US prison population - Mexicans are the highest foreign prison population with columbians 2nd
MS13 gang member apprehensions are up 244% y/y
50% of illegal immigrants in 2018 are families and unaccompanied minors, 50% of those are being forced to transport drugs, many are abused, raped,
and trafficked for labor, prostitution and a life of exploitation
Southern border route is used by international terrorists
Illegal immigrants are endangered by coyotes in extremely unsafe conditions
illegal immigrants families and unoccupied minors who are detected are delivered to border patrol in overwhelming numbers with no valid identification
to assist in repatriation - the costs to identify, care and house illegal immigrants is extremely high and increasingly so
Sponsor applicants applying to "foster" unaccompanied minor illegal immigrants are increasingly identified as criminals - 70% of sponsors are
identified criminals in recent 2018 reports
Cartels must constantly invent new ways to profit from the open border to traffic people and contraband
Those illegal immigrants who do arrive in the US must continue a life of criminal activity often with stolen identities and a life outside the rule of
law that is extremely expensive to the legal population - 40 million US social security numbers are reported as stolen and used nefariously in 2018,
at a cost of 5.8 billion in fraudulent irs refunds and 24 billion in refunds prevented in 2015
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Newkid,
I used to think you were a liberal with over-active imagination leading you to believe in paranoid big brother type conspiracy theories. Now i have to
recategorize you as a trumpian white nationalist wall building N-zi.
Fyi, your wealthy/educated friends might be able ti get a visa to usa, but usa gestapo refuse to grant visas to most working class mexicans. If you
werent a trust fund baby, you would be cognizant of usa anti-democratic restrictions on travel solely based on class/income
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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BornFisher
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I know of a family of 4 who are dirt poor but managed to get visas last month. Took them years, and lots of hard work and money but they did it. They
live in east TJ, they have a vehicle, but until recently their floor was dirt.
"When you catch a fish, you open the door of happiness."
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