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tassonejoe
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Rookie advice needed-final revision?
Advice needed, please:
1-how safe is it for me and my 18 y/o daughter to go solo.....my wife is worried....
2-Should I take my 2003 Frontier truck 2 wheel drive worth $3k or 2014 Tacoma w $23k?
thx for the previous tips....btw, we like to drive...
Itinerary
Day 1 San Rafael to Chula Vista (9-10 hrs)
Day 2: Chula vista to El Rosario on Pacific thru Ensenada and San Quitin (6 hrs) thurs 12/27
Day 3: Enjoy the drive through Cataviña desert and go to Mission San Borja and camp in José's palapas there. Walking tour of mission and hot
springs, ruins in the morning. (do i need tent?) (2 hrs)
Day 4: Go to San Ignacio. The 1728 mission, oasis, (5 hrs) 12/29
Day 5: Go to Mulegé The 1705 mission at Mulegé to see. (Stay Coyote Beach 14 miles south) (2hrs)
Day 6 Day Trip to Loreto by Concepcion Bay oldest California mission (1697), museum, shops, etc. (Stay Coyote) (4 hrs) 12/31
7- to Guerrero Negro Pacific (4 hrs) stay Scammon's Lagoon
8- Guerrero Negro whale watch (what time?) need dramamine patch --stay Scammon's Lagoon Jan 2
9-San Felipe on Pacific 7 hrs Jan 3 (30 m of gravel, reconstruction, and washouts
10-7 hours to LA Through Tecate 7 hrs Jan 4 stay LA leave old truck
11-Sat Jan 5th fly lax sfo
[Edited on 11-23-2018 by tassonejoe]
[Edited on 11-24-2018 by tassonejoe]
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Howard
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It will take longer on your #4 to 5 from Loreto to the tip.
Seems like a lot of driving for a vacation. Have you considered going as far as Loreto so you can smell the cactus along the way?
You will get some additional advise which will follow but #1 rule NEVER drive at night. That means you will be up early in the morning and drive,
drive, drive. Don't forget you are driving the shortest days of sunlight in the year where it gets dark by 5:30.
We don't stop playing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop playing
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tassonejoe
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Rookie advice needed
It will take longer on your #4 to 5 from Loreto to the tip
more than 6 hours? how many?.
Seems like a lot of driving for a vacation. Have you considered going as far as Loreto so you can smell the cactus along the way?
bucket list....drove cross usa and back.....up 1 to canada and want to do cabo
You will get some additional advise which will follow but #1 rule NEVER drive at night. That means you will be up early in the morning and drive,
drive, drive. Don't forget you are driving the shortest days of sunlight in the year where it gets dark by 5:30.
isnt it beautiful? on the road? 9am and 3-6 hr drives usually....
is it safe for just me and my daughter in the daytime only
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JZ
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Sounds beyond miserable. Don't do it.
Cabo is not Baja. It is packaged up tourist trap. You will have blown by every thing of interest to just say you "did it."
If you want to take your daughter on a legit holiday vacation that is manageable, fly into Loreto, rent a jeep, and drive around Baja Sur. Maybe even
to Cabo one day (La Paz is better, tho).
Or fly into Cabo and venture out (Cabo to Los Barriles, to La Paz, to Loreto, maybe Conception Bay, etc.)
Seriously, don't rip your kid off on a potential adventure of a life time just to say you did something. See the 1st video in my sig to see what
you'll miss. Did it with my 14 and 16 yo's last December.
[Edited on 11-19-2018 by JZ]
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willardguy
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Quote: Originally posted by tassonejoe  | It will take longer on your #4 to 5 from Loreto to the tip
more than 6 hours? how many?.
Seems like a lot of driving for a vacation. Have you considered going as far as Loreto so you can smell the cactus along the way?
bucket list....drove cross usa and back.....up 1 to canada and want to do cabo
You will get some additional advise which will follow but #1 rule NEVER drive at night. That means you will be up early in the morning and drive,
drive, drive. Don't forget you are driving the shortest days of sunlight in the year where it gets dark by 5:30.
isnt it beautiful? on the road? 9am and 3-6 hr drives usually....
is it safe for just me and my daughter in the daytime only
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driving at night isn't a death sentence....although not preferred if you're young, alert, good vision and a game eye helps you'll be be fine,
thousands of folks do it everyday, salud
CSL is my favorite town in baja...maybe it'll be yours!
[Edited on 11-19-2018 by willardguy]
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mojo_norte
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Fly to CSL and rent a car - Santiago - Los Barriles - Todas Santos - etc. CSL on New Years eve could be fun
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by tassonejoe | Advice needed, please:
Itinerary for driving to Los Cabos from San Fran with my 18 y/o daughter....i am in my 50's.....we have road tripped usa and bussed in ethiopia...i
went to past ensenada to san quitin in the 90's
1-To Chula Vista 10 hrs wed 12/26
2-El Rosario on Pacific thru Ensenada 5-6 hrs thurs
3-Santa Rosalia on Gulf 7 hrs fri
4-Loretto on Gulf 3 hrs
5-Cabo San Lucas on tip 6 hrs
6-Cabo San Lucas rest day new years eve
7-Cuidad Constitution 6hrs (Puerto San Carlos on Pacific +1 hr)
8-Mulage on Gulf 3 hours (from PSC +1hr)
9-San Felipe on Gulf 9 hours
10-7 hours to LA Through Tecate
11-Fly from LAX to SFO 1/5 (leaving truck at sisters)
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Figure your drive time by using 50 mph as your average for drive time which includes fuel stops + pee stops. If you are going to do longer stops than
those previously mentioned (e.g. to climb a rock or eat lunch at a sit down joint), then add that time to your travel time you calculated using 50
mph.
Do not drive at nite. It is possible to drive at nite, but I shave 20 mph off my speed because the roads are chit (animals, potholes and missing
pavement/shoulders hard to see at nite), but I avoid nite driving
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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JZ
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Driving at night isn't a big deal. We do it all the time. Big truck and put the high beams on. Slow down a little.
Driving the peninsula without stopping to see the good spots to reach a tourist trap you could fly into is criminal.
[Edited on 11-19-2018 by JZ]
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mtgoat666
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Lots of people smoke, but that doesn’t justify smoking.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Driving at night isn't a big deal. We do it all the time. Big truck and put the high beams on. |
Big truck ain’t gonna help much in a rollover, head-on or high speed collision with a cow. You will still be flocked up.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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JZ
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One is guaranteed to f you up. One isn't. Try another analogy, but make it tighter this time.
[Edited on 11-19-2018 by JZ]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
One is guaranteed to f you up. One isn't. Try another analogy, but make it tighter this time.
[Edited on 11-19-2018 by JZ] |
Neither is guaranteed to flock you up. But Both have known risks. You make your own choices. Personally, I encourage YOU to drive at night while
smoking.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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if you love driving "on a dark desert highway", WG and I logged thousands of miles in the dark of baja....me on the wheel and him manning the ice
chest, if it scares ya don't do it simple as that.
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I got tell ya, even locals here who drive at night crash into cows and die. and this is on the road from Abreojos to the highway!
Why would you take the one in a million chance with your daughter in the car? We live here and have lived here for 13 years and no way would I drive
at night.
Your trip sounds like too much time in the car. I agree with mojo. Fly down and rent a car if you can! Los Barilles is so beautiful, maybe go
snorkeling in Cabo Pulmo, and hang out in CSL.
Have a wonderful trip!
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca | I got tell ya, even locals here who drive at night crash into cows and die. and this is on the road from Abreojos to the highway!
Why would you take the one in a million chance with your daughter in the car? We live here and have lived here for 13 years and no way would I drive
at night.
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Wise statement.
However, the risk to the daughter is much higher than 1 in 1 million, risk is more like 1 in 1,000
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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| Quote: Originally posted by tassonejoe | Advice needed, please:
Itinerary for driving to Los Cabos from San Fran with my 18 y/o daughter....i am in my 50's.....we have road tripped usa and bussed in ethiopia...i
went to past ensenada to san quitin in the 90's
1-To Chula Vista 10 hrs wed 12/26
2-El Rosario on Pacific thru Ensenada 5-6 hrs thurs
3-Santa Rosalia on Gulf 7 hrs fri
4-Loretto on Gulf 3 hrs
5-Cabo San Lucas on tip 6 hrs
6-Cabo San Lucas rest day new years eve
7-Cuidad Constitution 6hrs (Puerto San Carlos on Pacific +1 hr)
8-Mulage on Gulf 3 hours (from PSC +1hr)
9-San Felipe on Gulf 9 hours
10-7 hours to LA Through Tecate
11-Fly from LAX to SFO 1/5 (leaving truck at sisters)
THX |
looks kinda sound
a little hasty on the return
nothing to see or to do in Constitucion or Puerto San Carlos
I would do Cabo San Lucas - Loreto
Loreto - Guerrero Negro
Guerrero Negro - San Felipe
Harald Pietschmann
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bkbend
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| Quote: Originally posted by tassonejoe | Advice needed, please:
Itinerary for driving to Los Cabos from San Fran with my 18 y/o daughter....i am in my 50's.....we have road tripped usa and bussed in ethiopia...i
went to past ensenada to san quitin in the 90's
1-To Chula Vista 10 hrs wed 12/26
2-El Rosario on Pacific thru Ensenada 5-6 hrs thurs
3-Santa Rosalia on Gulf 7 hrs fri
4-Loretto on Gulf 3 hrs
5-Cabo San Lucas on tip 6 hrs
6-Cabo San Lucas rest day new years eve
7-Cuidad Constitution 6hrs (Puerto San Carlos on Pacific +1 hr)
8-Mulage on Gulf 3 hours (from PSC +1hr)
9-San Felipe on Gulf 9 hours
10-7 hours to LA Through Tecate
11-Fly from LAX to SFO 1/5 (leaving truck at sisters)
THX |
Day 3 stop in San Ignacio. Unless you really need to be in CSL, consider stopping in La Paz for New Year's Eve. Day 7 go back to Loreto or Mulege,
you'll see them both on the way down and figure out which one you want to spend more time in. I like the drive up Mex 5 through San Felipe but I
don't think you'll make it in a day from Mulege and it's not a direction I'd go to get back to LA.
I've done the long driving days with my boys on a vacation but we always parked it for several days to recuperate before driving home. Even with that
I'd take a side trip or explore something neat for an hour or two each day of driving. I usually struggled to get as far as I thought I could each
day, too many neat things to see. See half of it this trip and then you'll need to do another. I have driven at night, but by the time you slow down
to avoid hazards it isn't worth the hassle. Stop before dark and leave at first light. It's not about the destination, it's about the journey.
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Hey, Goat....roll one,spark it up, and go night driving....see if it mellows your perspective 
Don't believe everything you think....
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tassonejoe
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| Quote: Originally posted by bkbend | | Quote: Originally posted by tassonejoe | Advice needed, please:
Itinerary for driving to Los Cabos from San Fran with my 18 y/o daughter....i am in my 50's.....we have road tripped usa and bussed in ethiopia...i
went to past ensenada to san quitin in the 90's
1-To Chula Vista 10 hrs wed 12/26
2-El Rosario on Pacific thru Ensenada 5-6 hrs thurs
3-Santa Rosalia on Gulf 7 hrs fri
4-Loretto on Gulf 3 hrs
5-Cabo San Lucas on tip 6 hrs
6-Cabo San Lucas rest day new years eve
7-Cuidad Constitution 6hrs (Puerto San Carlos on Pacific +1 hr)
8-Mulage on Gulf 3 hours (from PSC +1hr)
9-San Felipe on Gulf 9 hours
10-7 hours to LA Through Tecate
11-Fly from LAX to SFO 1/5 (leaving truck at sisters)
THX |
Day 3 stop in San Ignacio. Unless you really need to be in CSL, consider stopping in La Paz for New Year's Eve. Day 7 go back to Loreto or Mulege,
you'll see them both on the way down and figure out which one you want to spend more time in. I like the drive up Mex 5 through San Felipe but I
don't think you'll make it in a day from Mulege and it's not a direction I'd go to get back to LA.
thx please see updated intinerary...what is in san ignacio? |
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An oasis in the desert. A beautiful mission, a nice square to wander around in, a river/lake to relax at. It's peaceful, Santa Rosalia is a busy
indusrtial town. There are some interesting things to see there but I wouldn't consider it a relaxing overnight stop on a long road trip.
The revised itinerary looks better. If you are on schedule and can get to Santa Rosalia headed south you have wiggle room to spend an hour in San
Ignacio between Mulege and Guerrero Negro on the return trip. Just so you are aware, there is about 30 miles of gravel on the road to San Felipe,
some rough, scattered between new construction, reconstruction, and washouts. Might make that a seven hour leg.
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