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I am very pleased that many Nomad members seem to be willing to give AMLO a chance.
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And why wouldn't we?
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Armed with Aboriginal Ablutions
" ......... Newly inaugurated Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador received a traditional cleansing during an indigenous ceremony Saturday in
Mexico City’s central plaza, or zocalo .........."
Were these the same as (or similar to) the blessings which fortified the Indios when the Spaniards arrived ?
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Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  | I am very pleased that many Nomad members seem to be willing to give AMLO a chance.
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And why wouldn't we? |
Because in some circles AMLO, is considered a radical leftist socialist!
And seeing that a lot of you here, are ultra conservatives, GOP members, tea-party members, and Trumpsters.
You would think many of you would be opposed and even insulted over AMLO sitting in office.
Maybe, there is hope for you Bubba.
BTW, I don't consider AMLO a radical leftist socialist, but I do consider him a pragmatic left leaning Mexican liberal, kinda like a Gov Jerry Brown,
or a Bernie Sanders, if he was elected President of the USA.
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| Quote: Originally posted by weebray | | Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | | Quote: Originally posted by weebray | Wouldn't that be nice....either get the proper entry visa or stay home. With clearly posted signage to that effect on the approach roadways, walkways,
trolleys and at every taxi stand.....and the consequeneces of not following the law of the land.
If someone can put up signs "NO GUNS IN MEXICO", they can surely put up signs "NO VISA, NO ENTRY"
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Oh swell, another goodie two shoes proposing Mexico becoming more like the United Disgrace of America. You zealots should be sentenced to reading De
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Following the laws of the country you want to live in, or visit to, as a foreign national, is now some goodie two shoed zealot?
You idiots should be sentenced to reading the Mexican laws concerning immigration/tourism while on the bus north under orders to get out.
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Except in the severest of crimes, or if you publicly embarass an official, THINGS can be worked out.
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Code speak for a bribe/payoff…...ok got that.
FYI.....check your spelling of EMBARRASS
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/embarras...
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | I am very pleased that many Nomad members seem to be willing to give AMLO a chance.
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And why wouldn't we? |
Because in some circles AMLO, is considered a radical leftist socialist!
And seeing that a lot of you here, are ultra conservatives, GOP members, tea-party members, and Trumpsters.
You would think many of you would be opposed and even insulted over AMLO sitting in office.
Maybe, there is hope for you Bubba.
BTW, I don't consider AMLO a radical leftist socialist, but I do consider him a pragmatic left leaning Mexican liberal, kinda like a Gov Jerry Brown,
or a Bernie Sanders, if he was elected President of the USA. |
You lost me at Jerry Brown and the Bern.
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | I hear amlo has proposed moving the immigration HQ from DF to TJ.
What other changes are proposed for baja?
I suspect that if immigration jefes move from DF to TJ the customs and immigration rules at Otay and SY will be run by the book, eh?
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Wouldn't that be nice....either get the proper entry visa or stay home. With clearly posted signage to that effect on the approach roadways, walkways,
trolleys and at every taxi stand.....and the consequeneces of not following the law of the land.
If someone can put up signs "NO GUNS IN MEXICO", they can surely put up signs "NO VISA, NO ENTRY"
Also promised is to fight corruption...
Don't they all say that on the stump?
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Yes, wouldn't that be great... Since the sign about guns is at the entrance to Mexico from the USA, I wonder if people will start getting the
proper permits or Visas before entering from the USA.
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| Quote: Originally posted by shari | I really enjoyed watching his inauguration with the indigenous cleansing and support and loved his speech. He arrived in his personal Volkswagen I
think it was...not a big limo.
He mentioned that he was going to hook up the whole country to internet via the power lines so there would be internet on all the highways for better
safety and internet would be free for schools, public areas etc. A President for the people...what a concept eh.
Oh and gas prices were down today at the gas station too...wooo hooo. Here we are filling up jerry jugs for a really neat cruising couple...a
helicopter medic and his emergency room medic wife. YOu should see their medicine kit! |
I wonder if he inhaled?
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If the purification ritual didn't include any Peyote or Ayahuasca then it has little chance of success.........
Or, maybe it did ?
Since I've given up all hope, I feel much better
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| Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | | Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | I am very pleased that many Nomad members seem to be willing to give AMLO a chance.
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And why wouldn't we? |
Because in some circles AMLO, is considered a radical leftist socialist!
And seeing that a lot of you here, are ultra conservatives, GOP members, tea-party members, and Trumpsters.
You would think many of you would be opposed and even insulted over AMLO sitting in office.
Maybe, there is hope for you Bubba.
BTW, I don't consider AMLO a radical leftist socialist, but I do consider him a pragmatic left leaning Mexican liberal, kinda like a Gov Jerry Brown,
or a Bernie Sanders, if he was elected President of the USA. |
You lost me at Jerry Brown and the Bern. |
I think ultraconservatives will be happier with the previous Mexican administrations, from the ultra conservative PAN party, and even the old PRI,
party, the old corrupt system.
The PAN more in line with neo-liberalism( conservatism) and trickle down theory, that doesn't work in the US, or Mexico either, but that doesn't stop
people from claiming trickle down systems works.
The PAN party,and even the PRI, with Nieto, was willing to sell off Mexican assets, like parts of it's Pemex, oil to American oil companies. Carlos
Slim, became rich when Mexico began privatizing its national industries.
AMLO, is unlikely going to allow any of that BS, and he is not going to use anything like the trickle down theory where the rich get richer and the
poor get poorer because nothing trickles down to them. His polices will be aimed at helping the poor and middle class.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | | Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | I am very pleased that many Nomad members seem to be willing to give AMLO a chance.
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And why wouldn't we? |
Because in some circles AMLO, is considered a radical leftist socialist!
And seeing that a lot of you here, are ultra conservatives, GOP members, tea-party members, and Trumpsters.
You would think many of you would be opposed and even insulted over AMLO sitting in office.
Maybe, there is hope for you Bubba.
BTW, I don't consider AMLO a radical leftist socialist, but I do consider him a pragmatic left leaning Mexican liberal, kinda like a Gov Jerry Brown,
or a Bernie Sanders, if he was elected President of the USA. |
You lost me at Jerry Brown and the Bern. |
AMLO, is unlikely going to allow any of that BS, and he is not going to use anything like the trickle down theory where the rich get richer and the
poor get poorer because nothing trickles down to them. His polices will be aimed at helping the poor and middle class.
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As I understand it, AMLO is going to propose reducing the now 16% VAT along all the contiguous border with the USA, to 8% and southward for 30
kilometers.
This region is the wealthiest in all of Mexico and includes that part of Baja Norte 30 km southward from the border at Tijuana and eastward, thence
southward, to terminate at the region near Brownsville TX. All within a 30 km strip away from the borders.
While the rest of the entire country remains at 16%
. Where there is more poverty in the interior regions and harsh poverty in the far southern states of Oaxaca and Chapais. All areas where the majority
of the migrants originate from.
Everyone who buys goods pays the 16%, including the poorest of the poor.
On it's face, it would appear AMLO is anointing the border regions with a tax break.
While the rest of the country (the poor interior and far southern states) will remain at 16%.
It will be worth watching if the Mexican Congress members from the poorer areas of Mexico will go along with the continued saddling them with 16% and
cutting the wealthier northern border regions a break.
How does this square up with:
"The rich get richer and the poor get poorer because nothing trickles down to them. His polices will be aimed at helping the poor and middle class"?
[Edited on 12-4-2018 by DaliDali]
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| Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | | Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | | Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | I am very pleased that many Nomad members seem to be willing to give AMLO a chance.
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And why wouldn't we? |
Because in some circles AMLO, is considered a radical leftist socialist!
And seeing that a lot of you here, are ultra conservatives, GOP members, tea-party members, and Trumpsters.
You would think many of you would be opposed and even insulted over AMLO sitting in office.
Maybe, there is hope for you Bubba.
BTW, I don't consider AMLO a radical leftist socialist, but I do consider him a pragmatic left leaning Mexican liberal, kinda like a Gov Jerry Brown,
or a Bernie Sanders, if he was elected President of the USA. |
You lost me at Jerry Brown and the Bern. |
AMLO, is unlikely going to allow any of that BS, and he is not going to use anything like the trickle down theory where the rich get richer and the
poor get poorer because nothing trickles down to them. His polices will be aimed at helping the poor and middle class.
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As I understand it, AMLO is going to propose reducing the now 16% VAT along all the contiguous border with the USA, to 8% and southward for 30
kilometers.
This region is the wealthiest in all of Mexico and includes that part of Baja Norte 30 km southward from the border at Tijuana and eastward, thence
southward, to terminate at the region near Brownsville TX. All within a 30 km strip away from the borders.
While the rest of the entire country remains at 16%
. Where there is more poverty in the interior regions and harsh poverty in the far southern states of Oaxaca and Chapais. All areas where the majority
of the migrants originate from.
Everyone who buys goods pays the 16%, including the poorest of the poor.
On it's face, it would appear AMLO is anointing the border regions with a tax break.
While the rest of the country (the poor interior and far southern states) will remain at 16%.
It will be worth watching if the Mexican Congress members from the poorer areas of Mexico will go along with the continued saddling them with 16% and
cutting the wealthier northern border regions a break.
How does this square up with:
"The rich get richer and the poor get poorer because nothing trickles down to them. His polices will be aimed at helping the poor and middle class"?
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the goal is to empty those deep mexican border pockets back into the mexican economy rather than the U.S. economy.....simple?
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| Quote: Originally posted by willardguy | | Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali | | Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | | Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by Bubba | I am very pleased that many Nomad members seem to be willing to give AMLO a chance.
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And why wouldn't we? |
Because in some circles AMLO, is considered a radical leftist socialist!
And seeing that a lot of you here, are ultra conservatives, GOP members, tea-party members, and Trumpsters.
You would think many of you would be opposed and even insulted over AMLO sitting in office.
Maybe, there is hope for you Bubba.
BTW, I don't consider AMLO a radical leftist socialist, but I do consider him a pragmatic left leaning Mexican liberal, kinda like a Gov Jerry Brown,
or a Bernie Sanders, if he was elected President of the USA. |
You lost me at Jerry Brown and the Bern. |
AMLO, is unlikely going to allow any of that BS, and he is not going to use anything like the trickle down theory where the rich get richer and the
poor get poorer because nothing trickles down to them. His polices will be aimed at helping the poor and middle class.
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As I understand it, AMLO is going to propose reducing the now 16% VAT along all the contiguous border with the USA, to 8% and southward for 30
kilometers.
This region is the wealthiest in all of Mexico and includes that part of Baja Norte 30 km southward from the border at Tijuana and eastward, thence
southward, to terminate at the region near Brownsville TX. All within a 30 km strip away from the borders.
While the rest of the entire country remains at 16%
. Where there is more poverty in the interior regions and harsh poverty in the far southern states of Oaxaca and Chapais. All areas where the majority
of the migrants originate from.
Everyone who buys goods pays the 16%, including the poorest of the poor.
On it's face, it would appear AMLO is anointing the border regions with a tax break.
While the rest of the country (the poor interior and far southern states) will remain at 16%.
It will be worth watching if the Mexican Congress members from the poorer areas of Mexico will go along with the continued saddling them with 16% and
cutting the wealthier northern border regions a break.
How does this square up with:
"The rich get richer and the poor get poorer because nothing trickles down to them. His polices will be aimed at helping the poor and middle class"?
[Edited on 12-4-2018 by DaliDali] |
the goal is to empty those deep mexican border pockets back into the mexican economy rather than the U.S. economy.....simple?
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While the empty Mexican pockets in the rest of the country still have to pony up 16%. That "rest of the country" who are among the poorest.
Sounds like a dreaded giveaway to deep pockets, while the rest of the country won't even see one of those now infamous "crumbs"
The poor family in the interior of Sonora pays 16% for that sack of beans, corn tortillas and some cooking oil, while the "deep pockets" along the
border get a break at 8%
A 30 km slice of territory along the border gets a shot in the arm, the rest of the entire country gets nada.
And now, Ensenada cried so much at being 100 km from the border, and outside the 30 km for the rest of the deep pockets, the locals can now stay in
Ensendada and shop to their hearts content. Yet Ensenada's cries were not about staying there for shopping, it was to lure the tourists to come and
buy trinkets and tequila for 8% VAT.
Maybe San Felipe can start crying next and get in on the windfall. Or Puerto Penasco and San Carlos on the mainland side, Los Cabos on the
tip......why stop there?.....Mazatlán, Ixtapa, Acapulco. All big tourist destinations.
Hey....if Ensenada can cut a deal with AMLO for 8%, why not the bigger tourist destinations?
One windfall might be thousands fewer cars clogging the border lanes daily, for those "deep pockets" to go to the Las Americas outlet mall and
Westfield Plaza mall in Bonita.
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The Mexicans I know are very optimistic and excited to see new blood in office who wants to change things up. [/rquote]
The same way people that voted for President Trump felt when Obammy finally left. Everyone was sick and tired of the corrupt, career politicians
hanging out in the swamp.
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Quit crying DaliDali, although it's nice to see someone from the extreme right attacking AMLO.......I was starting to think the Trump fans around here
just didn't understand AMLO political orientation which is leftist, but nothing wrong with that.
I predict the next President of the United States, is going to be more in line with AMLO, than a moderate liberal like a Clinton and Pelosi ticket.
Perhaps, a Bernie Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez, ticket could win.
In many ways AMLO, is a populist like a Hugo Chavez, and even a Donald Trump, although Trump, is the "deceiver" and cares nothing about the middle
class and poor.
Not even McDonald's, brings out a new product, nationwide, before testing it in test markets.
If you DaliDali, bothered to read the Value-Added tax plan that moves it from 16% to 8% along the border, it's because he wants a economic resurgence
in the region. Along with the tax breaks, will be a higher minimum wage.
AMLO, believes this will lesson the amount of undocumented Mexican workers, from crossing into the USA, and it will keep the local Mexican shoppers,
on the Mexican side going over to the US and buying goods.
Cutting taxes, sound like Reagan or Trump plan, and I'm not sure I like it, but I'll willing to see AMLO roll the dice. You have a problem with tax
cuts DaliDali?
What the multinationals don't like is AMLO, talks about raising wages, and unions. So expect him to get attacked in business news in the USA. If
wages get too high in Mexico, expect the deep pockets in the corporate world to take ALMO out, and really trash him.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | Quit crying DaliDali, although it's nice to see someone from the extreme right attacking AMLO.......I was starting to think the Trump fans around here
just didn't understand AMLO political orientation which is leftist, but nothing wrong with that.
I predict the next President of the United States, is going to be more in line with AMLO, than a moderate liberal like a Clinton and Pelosi ticket.
Perhaps, a Bernie Sanders, Ocasio-Cortez, ticket could win.
In many ways AMLO, is a populist like a Hugo Chavez, and even a Donald Trump, although Trump, is the "deceiver" and cares nothing about the middle
class and poor.
Not even McDonald's, brings out a new product, nationwide, before testing it in test markets.
If you DaliDali, bothered to read the Value-Added tax plan that moves it from 16% to 8% along the border, it's because he wants a economic resurgence
in the region. Along with the tax breaks, will be a higher minimum wage.
AMLO, believes this will lesson the amount of undocumented Mexican workers, from crossing into the USA, and it will keep the local Mexican shoppers,
on the Mexican side going over to the US and buying goods.
Cutting taxes, sound like Reagan or Trump plan, and I'm not sure I like it, but I'll willing to see AMLO roll the dice. You have a problem with tax
cuts DaliDali?
What the multinationals don't like is AMLO, talks about raising wages, and unions. So expect him to get attacked in business news in the USA. If
wages get too high in Mexico, expect the deep pockets in the corporate world to take ALMO out, and really trash him.
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Nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.
And yes I like low taxation....as does most anyone else.
You on the other hand, are all in on higher tax rates to help out the poor. But then give AMLO a full green light to lower the taxation on the
wealthier parts of the country, and leave the poor to deal with 16%.
To lessen (not lesson) the migration of undocumented workers is a con job.....the primary undocumented work force is NOT from the 30 km strip along
the border.
It is from the interior of Mexico and having a few pesos higher in wages, along with the 16% in VAT will not keep them from going north to the land
of the golden chalice.
I don't know what the proposed minimum pay raise is going to end up at....but with a 8% decrease in the VAT, it might come very close to what will be
proposed.
A good portion of the GDP (25-30%) is underground and those "underground" entrepreneurs would not get a pay raise, yet still be burdened with 16% on
everything they purchase.
The 30 km strip along the border does not need "resurgence", as the northern border states are the wealthiest in the entire country due to their
proximity with the USA and the cross border trade.
Just odd that AMLO wants to cut the VAT for wealthier portions of Mexico, and let the poorer parts fester with the heavy haul of 16%.
It would seem that is should be the opposite.....yeah?
Keep the 16% VAT in those border regions, to partially or wholly fund the lowering of the VAT for the poor in the non border regions.
Stand by Joe, it won't be long before the Govenors and legislatures of non border regions will be screaming "what about us" Ensenada screamed....and
got in on the hot 8% VAT deal.....not for "resurgence", but so the tourists can enjoy 8% VAT on the trinkets and tequila.
But hey.........I hope it all works out for everyone, especially the poorer regions of MX
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" Same as it ever was"...…..
Mexico!! Where two can live as cheaply as one.....but it costs twice as much.....
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DaliDali wrote: " The poor family in the interior of Sonora pays 16% for that sack of beans, corn tortillas and some cooking oil, while the
"deep pockets" along the border get a break at 8%"
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There you go again DaliDali, with your negative stereotypes, of Mexicans.
How would you like it if Mexicans, defined you as a french fry eating American, since fast food joints serve up hamburgers, and fries being the
staple food?
At least include lard, and the old ways some cook beans. BTW foods costs are fairly low in Mexico.
The 16% tax sounds high, and is high, but if you think about it, it's kinda like the flat tax, many ultraconservatives would like to have, and if we
did, the tax would move to something like 16% or even higher, to something like 22%.
Mexico, has one of the lowest tax rates in the world, and does a poor job of collecting those taxes, and so the VAT helps to ensure Mexico does
collect some taxes.
BTW I'm against any kind of flat tax, or high VAT, because it hurts the poor because they have to use a larger percentage of their income on taxable
things than rich people do.
But I'm willing to give AMLO a chance, and I realize he can't do it all at once.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | DaliDali wrote: " The poor family in the interior of Sonora pays 16% for that sack of beans, corn tortillas and some cooking oil, while the
"deep pockets" along the border get a break at 8%"
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There you go again DaliDali, with your negative stereotypes, of Mexicans.
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Those facts are tough Joe...
With the poverty rate in Mexico hovering around 45%...that quoted statement is spot on....and it REMAINS the poor in Mexico will STILL get hammered
with 16% and the wealthier northern states catch a break at 8%
Leave it to you to spin it all as a negative stereotype.
If Mexicans were called brown skinned people, YOU would scream bigot and racist.....pffff.
Why did Ensenada whine to get, and did get, the AMLO administration to cut their 100 km 16% VAT to 8%?
When it was admitted for tourist reasons and not some country saving economic "resurgence"
Give tourists a break on those trinkets and tequila, but to hell with the poor dirt farmer outside Hermosillo Sonora.
Right out of the gate......it smacks of corrupt political favors doesn't it?
[Edited on 12-4-2018 by DaliDali]
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I believe the idea of reducing the VAT along the border and encouraging investment in that area is, to paraphrase him, to give poor Mexicans a reason
to stop and stay and work in this zone, rather than try and cross the border illegally.
I hadnt heard that the border area is the "richest" area in Mexico. Maybe so. But it may simply be a per capita thing, because a large majority still
live south of the border zone.
Here is a population density map of Mexico. They're probably trying to get some people to leave some of the vastly overcrowded cities of the south and
central areas of Mexico. Infrastructure is getting impossible to keep up.
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It's a sad day when I agree with anything Hook says, but he is more accurate than you DaliDali.
Maybe, DaliDali, you are thinking of Monterey, that's considered a rich northern city in Mexico.
BTW Mexico, did reduce the rate to 11% in the Mexican border states, along with the Quintana Roo, and other areas of Mexico, a few years ago because
they took it away. so it's not something new.
They did it to attract business to the areas. You know, DaliDali, like the way The USA or rather certain American cities recently gave a trillion
dollar company like Amazon, all kinds of corporate welfare, and giveaways if they moved to their cities.
Lets just hope AMLO, doesn't go overboard with corporate giveaways like the US cities just did with Amazon.
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