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$18.5 Billion In Health Care For Unauthorized Immigrants
In some states fake identification is not required to obtain coverage of government funded programs
"Moreover, states can and do use state-only Medicaid programs to cover such individuals. For example, California's Health for All Kids Act provides
unauthorized immigrant children with access to coverage through Medi-Cal, the state Medicaid program. Its passage in 2015 made California the largest
state to use state-only funding to provide coverage to all children regardless of immigration status; in doing so, it joins New York, Illinois,
Massachusetts, Washington, and the District of Columbia."
I would imagine there is some bleed over in many other programs ... as there aren't a lot of bodies of individual illegal and/or undocumented aliens
found in the streets every morning ... who have died from: malnutrition, exposure, lack of water et al
https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-am...
To think there is NO fraud in any government program is disingenuous at best
And the bottom line is "funding costs" to support non American citizens ... really very simple
Even TJ knows what unloading daily new people into their country and/or City effects the governments ability to provide support ... As it has been
going on for some time .... Buses unloading guys and gals getting out of jail and/or prison and being herded across the border into Mexico and/or TJ
Have seen them myself .. ex con's being kicked back after serving their time ... actually met a few ....
A real struggle to get OUT of TJ .... to a safer location in Mexico
Luck of the draw on where someone is "born" and your parents IMO
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Just looked at HUD on Sec 8 housing ... allowed IF one person is a citizen ... Like a child who is born to non citizen of the United States then the
parents and/or relatives are covered by HUD
Housing for Eligible Non citizens
https://affordablehousingonline.com/guide/housing-for-immigr...
Someone else can look at Food Stamps, day care ... et al
btw there are 43 million American citizens living below the poverty level established by our government ...
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Whatever % it's way way too high. People should have to work to provide for themselves.
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does anyone else find a bit of irony in certain posters on a site that primarily caters to expats/tourists disparaging Mexican/Latino immigrants while
enjoying all mexico has to offer? i find their hate and smallness repellent.
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Forms of Identification for Undocumented Immigrants
Fail to see any hate .... Bring up the costs of illegal and/or undocumented migration is just good planning IMO
As for the need for illegal gets "documents" off the street ... They really don't have to given the other pathways that are available
Forms of Identification for Undocumented Immigrants
https://cliniclegal.org/sites/default/files/advocacy/statean...
There are multiple sites where help is available for illegal and/or undocumented workers to obtain all the help they need ... once HERE !!!
I don't hate anyone .... Which includes Mexican's, great folks in most cases ... IMO
Planning for another 150M which are being forecasted by the CDC by 2050 is just something reasonable people MUST do, also IMO
There are one hell of a lot of people in the world that are suffering ... I'd like to help them all ... but, I realize I can't nor can the United
States of American and/or the entire "west" ... right around 5 billion live in abject poverty ... lacking medical, education et al
I don't hate them ... I wish I could "improve" their lives immediately to the same level we enjoy, however, that is physically and financially
impossible which has nothing to do with hate IMO
This may change ... as the weather changes 
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Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  | | Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | | does anyone else find a bit of irony in certain posters on a site that primarily caters to expats/tourists disparaging Mexican/Latino immigrants while
enjoying all mexico has to offer? i find their hate and smallness repellent. |
Yeah, but they didn't they are entitled, and special. I could use better words.
Check out DaliDali's quotes, where he is always negativity stereotyping Mexicans, as dirt farmers, human smugglers, child exploiters, and bean eaters.
DaliDali, do you ever have nice things to say about Mexicans/Hispanics, or immigrants?
Visa overstays are not typically the poor dirt farmer looking to pick lettuce. Nor are they the drug smuggler, human smuggler and child
exploiters. Poor dirt farmer often pays a coyote thousands$$ to lead them north."
" The poor family in the interior of Sonora pays 16% for that sack of beans, corn tortillas and some cooking oil, while the "deep pockets"
along the border get a break at 8% |
Sure Joe, being a full time resident of Mexico, I have many nice things to say about them.....everyday in fact.
I just told the tesoraria lady this morning, good morning and muchas gracias when I paid the property taxes.
Told the masera at the corner desayuno place good day and how are you, the huevos rancheros were excellent and left the appropriate propina.
Said good morning to the cashier gal at the local market and mentioned she looked very nice today.
Are there, or are there not, some Mexican workers who are poor and are not normally associated with visa overstayers?
Do or do not, some poor familes in Sonora buy beans, tortillas and cooking oil and pay 16% in VAT for them?
Next silly diversion??...
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"I don't hate them ... I wish I could "improve" their lives immediately to the same level we enjoy, however, that is physically and financially
impossible which has nothing to do with hate IMO"
Not quite to the level we enjoy, but here's how my wife and I committed to helping a family in Guatemala stay together right were they are.
'Through The Eyes Of Juan'
available at shadowspath.net
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Also from the link
"The DSH program simply provides a general subsidy against a hospital's aggregate uncompensated care losses from uninsured patients. Nothing requires
hospitals to back out their spending on uncompensated care for unauthorized immigrants from their aggregate losses; consequently, federal
Medicaid funds end up indirectly subsidizing their care even though it would be expressly illegal to pay for their care by making them direct Medicaid
recipients. "
Their is no mention of just children ... that I can see and coverage applies to medical care across the nation, as defined by DHS
Also the issuance of "municipal ID" which are then used to substitute for entry into all other Federal Programs, which is supported by this link ... A
site of self help for illegal and/or undocumented immigrants.
Step 2: Find HUD housing programs for eligible noncitizens.
(noncitizen .. nice one)
https://affordablehousingonline.com/guide/housing-for-immigr...
Both examples showed that government funded programs in fact provide services to illegal and/or undocumented immigrants
And those services in fact are part of the budget's for: HUD, Medicare .... and Food Stamps all which are "costs" ... having nothing to do with:
gender, age, race or nationality ... As that would be discrimination under Federal Law !! thus illegal
I'm having beef Tacos for lunch ... with beans and rice ... The America's gave us the best food in the world .. IMO
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Social Security numbers are required for all forms of welfare, so a fake ID isn't gonna cut it.
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Would a fake or stolen SS card do it?
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so, what's the bottom line of all this?
Non citizens harming the economy?
Non citizens straining the budget?
Harald Pietschmann
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DaliDali
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | so, what's the bottom line of all this?
Non citizens harming the economy?
Non citizens straining the budget?
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Using a fake SS card or a stolen SS card is a criminal act.
It's criminal fraud....either a misdemeanor or felony.
Harm to the economy or straining the budget is immaterial.
https://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title11/1107.htm
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | so, what's the bottom line of all this?
Non citizens harming the economy?
Non citizens straining the budget?
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That TheBajarunner, wrote: " Two Thirds of all non-US citizens are on welfare."
That turns out from some so-called immigration "think tank" that has a history of bogus anti-immigration studies.
The title of the thread should give people a clue it's bogus, because the last few census done every 10 years, did not even ask a citizenship
question, and would not release that kind of information. ( sadly in 2020 the current administration wants to ask citizenship questions, probably to
under count Hispanics)
It's also strange that TheBajarunner, starts a thread like this since he has claimed for years that he is a real estate developer, an industry that
exploits cheap labor, and is an industry that is dominated by Mexican immigrants, just ask Paranewbi about this.
DaliDali, not to be left out, wants to defend " The Center for Immigration Studies," and doubles down, on attacks on immigrants, by claiming
undocumented are getting fake IDs to engage in welfare fraud!
There is no evidence that is happening in large numbers than a few isolated cases you sometimes hear in the news, and most of us know if undocumented
are using fake SS numbers, it's to work, and not to commit welfare fraud.
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And over 2/3 of baja nomads are on welfare (ss, medicare, prop 13, govt pension, senior discounts at the buffet, etc.)
[Edited on 12-6-2018 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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You are just as ignorant as the other guy I had to answer
| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | so, what's the bottom line of all this?
Non citizens harming the economy?
Non citizens straining the budget?
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That TheBajarunner, wrote: " Two Thirds of all non-US citizens are on welfare."
That turns out from some so-called immigration "think tank" that has a history of bogus anti-immigration studies.
The title of the thread should give people a clue it's bogus, because the last few census done every 10 years, did not even ask a citizenship
question, and would not release that kind of information. ( sadly in 2020 the current administration wants to ask citizenship questions, probably to
under count Hispanics)
It's also strange that TheBajarunner, starts a thread like this since he has claimed for years that he is a real estate developer, an industry that
exploits cheap labor, and is an industry that is dominated by Mexican immigrants, just ask Paranewbi about this.
DaliDali, not to be left out, wants to defend " The Center for Immigration Studies," and doubles down, on attacks on immigrants, by claiming
undocumented are getting fake IDs to engage in welfare fraud!
There is no evidence that is happening in large numbers than a few isolated cases you sometimes hear in the news, and most of us know if undocumented
are using fake SS numbers, it's to work, and not to commit welfare fraud.
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First of all, you do not know me, nor do you know anything about me.
And second, obviously you have no concept of what real estate "developer" entails.
I add value to land.... plain and simple
Whether by engineering, zoning, planning or simply improving its status, I make the process of building and expanding possible.
Yes, I happen to hold a current general contractor "B" license in California.
But I don't build!
I also happen to hold a real estate broker (not salesman) license and I don't sell real estate.
I do not employ "workers," only professionals in the design, engineering, and planning fields...... very well paid professionals, I might add.
So, make you a deal Mr. JJJ
You stay off my threads and don't answer my posts.
I promise to honor that and not post on any of your threads nor answer any of your posts.
Deal???
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Two quotes from the same JJJ
“Who wrote the book, " Through The Eyes Of Juan?" I don't even see it on Amazon.
It must not be a very good book, and in the 70's, undocumented Mexican workers was not a big problem, so if anybody is blaming undocumented Mexican
workers for their lack of work in the 70's, is a loser, and he is engaged is scapegoating Mexicans”.
“It's also strange that TheBajarunner, starts a thread like this since he has claimed for years that he is a real estate developer, an industry that
exploits cheap labor, and is an industry that is dominated by Mexican immigrants, just ask Paranewbi about this.”
Split tongue JJJ?
My answer to the first quote…
“By the way JJJ, it was a huge issue in the southwest in the late 70's. Your ignorance and irrational baseless musings are sad. I would suspect that
your prejudicial biases are the strength of your existence.
I wrote the longest private editorial ever published in the San Diego Union when I (and my coworkers) were driven out of construction by the
contractors hiring illegal immigrants. I appeared on the Roger Hedgec-ck radio show shortly after. My experience is documented and now published.”
Read and then critique. If you dare
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
And over 2/3 of baja nomads are on welfare (ss, medicare, prop 13, govt pension, senior discounts at the buffet, etc.)
[Edited on 12-6-2018 by mtgoat666] |
socialists!
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
And over 2/3 of baja nomads are on welfare (ss, medicare, prop 13, govt pension, senior discounts at the buffet, etc.)
[Edited on 12-6-2018 by mtgoat666] |
Outrageous Goat.....
Ever since 1940, working people and their employers have PAID into the "insurance" fund of SS, and Medicare since 1966, that guaranteed them coverage
when the working years ended. Welfare NOT.
Prop 13 was a reduction in CA property taxes to 1% of assessed valuation...and since been raised to 2%.
Welfare NOT.
Government pensions that workers and their employers have PAID into all their careers. Welfare NOT
Senior discounts......oh my gawd the horror of it all.....A $10.95 breakfast at Dennys for ONLY $8.99 with FREE refills of coffee.
Be careful Goat.....your BFF Joe will flame you with "stereotype" on the claim of 2/3rds of Nomads are on welfare.
[Edited on 12-6-2018 by DaliDali]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | so, what's the bottom line of all this?
Non citizens harming the economy?
Non citizens straining the budget?
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DaliDali, not to be left out, wants to defend " The Center for Immigration Studies," and doubles down, on attacks on immigrants, by claiming
undocumented are getting fake IDs to engage in welfare fraud!
There is no evidence that is happening in large numbers than a few isolated cases you sometimes hear in the news, and most of us know if undocumented
are using fake SS numbers, it's to work, and not to commit welfare fraud.
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4x4abc and BajaMama gave this legs with the assertion that illegal aliens do not get welfare and do not use fake SS cards to get it.
I have presented you with multiple accounts of that exact thing happening and have happened.
Large numbers or small numbers......it is still a criminal fraud against the ratepayers.
Choose to discount it all is fine by me...but it remains.....a criminal fraud to use a fake ID to avail one's self of any public benefits, not
available to non citizens.
And not one mention of CIS by me....not one link to CIS nor any reference to them by me whatsoever.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe | | Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner |
First of all, you do not know me, nor do you know anything about me.
And second, obviously you have no concept of what real estate "developer" entails.
I add value to land.... plain and simple
Whether by engineering, zoning, planning or simply improving its status, I make the process of building and expanding possible.
Yes, I happen to hold a current general contractor "B" license in California.
But I don't build!
I also happen to hold a real estate broker (not salesman) license and I don't sell real estate.
I do not employ "workers," only professionals in the design, engineering, and planning fields...... very well paid professionals, I might add.
So, make you a deal Mr. JJJ
You stay off my threads and don't answer my posts.
I promise to honor that and not post on any of your threads nor answer any of your posts.
Deal??? |
The only deal I will make is don't start threads like this, because that's like ringing my door bell, and asking me to comment.
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And some on here will call you out from time to time when the weeds get too thick around your ankles.
Such as.......promoting and excusing criminal fraud, excusing and promoting the illegality of entering another country without permission and the
proper documents to do so, urging and condoning foreign nationals to enter Mexico without the proper documents to do so..urging and cheering mobs to
crash the border in an attempt to get in.
Rant on about hate sites, far right wingers, some dude named Jones and CIS.....have at it..
But when you get off your feed and promote lawlessness to achieve some sort of "compassion"....that rings door bells also.
This is what anarchists do...."a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority"
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