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[*] posted on 12-7-2018 at 11:41 AM


Not aware of any predications of the cessation of "life" on the planet from Global Warming .... only an environment which may be changed ... The scope and/or impact of this change is not fully understood nor actually predicated in real time .... at this time. Only models and/or math based projections, which tends to have "gaps" due to the complexity of variables, known and unknown

It's called evolution IMO ... which would include "Adaptive Radiation" of living organisms on the planet.

Life is tough on this planet for living things ... always has been, because our environment is not static ... rather dynamic


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[*] posted on 12-7-2018 at 12:40 PM


Joe, you prove that 'climate change' is a religion rather than science. You will believe whatever your chosen 'gods' (Al Gore, Bill Nye, etc.) tell you and not question it or use your own eyes to see there is no sea level rise or man-made global warming.
Science is the continuous collection of data and there is NEVER a consensus of scientists who would stop observing the climate and sea level because they have already concluded those conditions as fact.
At some point, there would be a consensus that the predictions they made the past 30 years were wrong and maybe, just maybe that Nature bats last?




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[*] posted on 12-7-2018 at 02:20 PM


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Joe, you prove that 'climate change' is a religion rather than science.


I think climate change denial is a bit more akin to religion or politics than science. Denial wont make climate change go away. People and countries that plan for change will survive. Del mar-tians that deny and dont plan will fail.
Dk, long after you are gone your grandkids will be stuck dealing with the failures caused by your party’s denial and refusal to act.

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[*] posted on 12-7-2018 at 02:31 PM


Got it .... Lets make the "environment" simple ... good luck with that one

As for the report ... just another report reflecting what is being "measured" within our current environment.

Do I agree with the "measurements" being reported .... Yes .... and that was why I posted the National Geo's article on the ice sheet melting in Greenland.

The monitoring of this location has been going on for a while and the "numbers" being reported are NOT really good for Greenland and perhaps the thermohaline circulation of the oceans

Again ... these changes would not mean a complete removal of all humans from the planet. It would only make it more difficult to exist. Which of course would impact economies of the world, not to mention the shifting demographics and locations of food production and amounts, and many other changes to living organisms on the planet.

Anyone thinking they have all the answers .... definitely not reasonable in their thinking.

As for being "wimpy" ... Well, that is your understanding of what I posted.

I was just stating facts about our planet which has been learned from scientific studies and/or monitoring of same.

As for Trump's position on the issue .. I don't agree with his position on THIS issue. Which I have stated numerous times to YOU and many others.

The only position I agreed with Trump on was "immigration" .... And I did not vote for him, nor did I support him in the run up to the election back in 2016.

The bottom line in all of this is "sustainability" ... Which has been found by the financial industry and the GAO to NOT be sustainable

If you want links do searches on my previous posts ... I've supplied them many times

Is there anyone that finds error's on what National Geo reported in the article related to "ice sheet" melting in Greenland ?
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[*] posted on 12-7-2018 at 04:53 PM
More Warm Oceans Sounds Great


I don't know what folks are complaining about, more warm oceans sounds like an improvement.
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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 09:03 AM


I know this is probably a mute point but I just pulled a sectional aeronautical chart from my chart archives (file cabinet) it shows Ontario airport at 943' in 1997. Today the charts show it at 944'. SNA John Wayne is 56' MSL back in 1997 shown as 56' today. LAS Las Vegas 2179' back in 1997, 2181 today? well looks to me like the ocean is receding?These charts are comprised by NOAA. I'm taking these as the truth using information from our friends the US govment. Why would they lie to me right?
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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 09:08 AM


Here's more KSAN Lindberg field 1997 14' MSL (mean sea level) 2018 17'. Ok I'll check later for the personal attacks, have a nice day I'm going flying.:cool:

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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 09:31 AM


Wesson, you could have made it simple, like this overview chapter from the Trump administration, latest report that just came out and is pretty much irrefutable because the last few years we have seen the wild swings in weather patterns, and pure devastating we have never seen before that are so close to each other.

I don't think David K. will be mad with you if you disagree with him on global warming.
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The impacts of global climate change are already being felt in the United States and are projected to intensify in the future—but the severity of future impacts will depend largely on actions taken to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to adapt to the changes that will occur.

Americans increasingly recognize the risks climate change poses to their everyday lives and livelihoods and are beginning to respond (Figure 1.1). Water managers in the Colorado River Basin have mobilized users to conserve water in response to ongoing drought intensified by higher temperatures, and an extension program in Nebraska is helping ranchers reduce drought and heat risks to their operations.

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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 09:55 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Glidergeek  
Here's more KSAN Lindberg field 1997 14' MSL (mean sea level) 2018 17'. Ok I'll check later for the personal attacks, have a nice day I'm going flying.:cool:

[Edited on 12-8-2018 by Glidergeek]

Dude: My younger brother is a computer wiz, works for HP. In the late 1990s he and a few others from HP were sent to some government agency to search their programs for any Y2K issues. One of the programs they worked on controlled the reporting info from GPS orbiters and they discovered a keying error in the original late 1980s code for reporting the altitudes had a .91 instead of 1.00, thus slightly under-reporting the altitudes. One of the agencies that got this was the FAA. They did not find any Y2K issues but did clean up a lot of similar stuff.
You will find lots of pre-2000 and post-2000 reports will have similar differences with respect reported altitudes.
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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 10:44 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Wesson, you could have made it simple, like this overview chapter from the Trump administration, latest report that just came out and is pretty much irrefutable because the last few years we have seen the wild swings in weather patterns, and pure devastating we have never seen before that are so close to each other.

I don't think David K. will be mad with you if you disagree with him on global warming.
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The impacts of global climate change are already being felt in the United States and are projected to intensify in the future—but the severity of future impacts will depend largely on actions taken to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and to adapt to the changes that will occur.


This sentence above shows that adaption to a changing world will be necessary to help deal with the effects of a warming climate.

NO ONE can stop it....only slow it down by less than <one> degree over decades upon decades, by the myraid air pollution standards already in place.

The difference some people have is what shall we do to slow it down.
In the hear and now, pollution reducing methods are near their apex, constrained only by technology.

The hue and cry is to shut down fossil fuel use and sources, as they are the main culprit of air born pollution, according to many.
Shutting them all down to get to a lower pollution concentration is just not fesible in the present age......for obvious reasons.

World population growth has increased 400% in the 20th century. Population growth equals more people, using more energy to stay alive and exist.
Perhaps spending billions upon billions to interdict a warming rock, spend some of that money on educating the world as to the benefits of a lower population growth rate.

The UN population division has predicted a worldwide population of over 10 billion(up from 7> billion now) by the year 2021. Although world population growth has dropped to slightly over 1% since the highs of the 20th century.
https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth
Will the steady decrease in worldwide population growth stymie the growing use of fuels to stay alive and exist?

Personally, I take an "all in" approach of energy use, as some past President suggested. Fossil, renewables and nuclear, until such time as technology catches up and the renewable and nuke sides can supplant fossil fuels as the primary sources.
Someone recently said "Scientists can put a module on Mars"...can these scientists also "defang" nuclear waste and turn it into corn fertilizer and cattle feed?

However, I do remain skeptical that scientists know for a fact, the current warming trend is not some natural phenom of a 5.5 billion year old rock spinning in the atmosphere, sometimes closer to the sun orb than in other millions of years.

Or....a simplist approach of......does this rock we live on have a finite life and will be eaten up in the atmosphere like other chunks of rock?







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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 11:10 AM


Agree the "quoted" sentence ... and the nice recap summary

And thought that was exactly the point which was being made and/or discussed ... sustainability in its broadest sense

This isn't something "new" ..... President's have been telling us the NEED to address these environmental problems since 1963 ...

This little video (1.59) starts with JFK .... :):)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93jGrALQWzA&list=FL5JsXv...

btw when it comes to effecting change on the environment .. through increasing costs at the individual level ... one only has to look to France :lol::lol:

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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 12:19 PM


Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup  
Agree the "quoted" sentence ... and the nice recap summary

And thought that was exactly the point which was being made and/or discussed ... sustainability in its broadest sense

This isn't something "new" ..... President's have been telling us the NEED to address these environmental problems since 1963 ...

This little video (1.59) starts with JFK .... :):)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93jGrALQWzA&list=FL5JsXv...

btw when it comes to effecting change on the environment .. through increasing costs at the individual level ... one only has to look to France :lol::lol:

[Edited on 12-8-2018 by wessongroup]


Macron is in hiding...….while the city burns in protest of hikes in gas and diesel.....To disuade the use of those fuels, as some panacia to cool the earth?




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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 12:24 PM


Wesson, very simple, in all DaliDali's long post, at the end of his post, it's a 'denier" posts, where he blames natural phenom, instead of mankind, where the blame should be placed.

You Wesson, agree with DaliDali, just like you agree with David K. but at the same time you claim you claim your this scientist environmentalist.

What gives Wesson, because clearly Earth's climate is changing faster than at any point in human history. Is this WRONG Wesson?

Wesson, if you don't believe in global warming, then say so, but don't play both sides.
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DaliDali wrote: However, I do remain skeptical that scientists know for a fact, the current warming trend is not some natural phenom of a 5.5 billion year old rock spinning in the atmosphere, sometimes closer to the sun orb than in other millions of years.







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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 12:35 PM


"Al Gore"

That name makes me chuckle
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What a dweeb!
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Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Wesson, very simple, in all DaliDali's long post, at the end of his post, it's a 'denier" posts, where he blames natural phenom, instead of mankind, where the blame should be placed.

You Wesson, agree with DaliDali, just like you agree with David K. but at the same time you claim you claim your this scientist environmentalist.

What gives Wesson, because clearly Earth's climate is changing faster than at any point in human history. Is this WRONG Wesson?

Wesson, if you don't believe in global warming, then say so, but don't play both sides.
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DaliDali wrote: However, I do remain skeptical that scientists know for a fact, the current warming trend is not some natural phenom of a 5.5 billion year old rock spinning in the atmosphere, sometimes closer to the sun orb than in other millions of years.


Silly Jay...….changes the stated "skeptic" to a "denier" in one fell swoop.

Just like you changed Jihad to Jay?...

What drives you to have such rage boiling over you in perpetuity?



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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 02:51 PM


Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  



Silly Jay...….changes the stated "skeptic" to a "denier" in one fell swoop.

Just like you changed Jihad to Jay?...

What drives you to have such rage boiling over you in perpetuity?



Skeptic or denier, putting much same thing in this context. You are trying to deny the obvious, at least to the real scientist that study global warming and say it's real, and mostly man caused.

Perhaps, this subject is over the head of a retired security guard.

Unlike you DaliDali, for example, I see no reason why we need to still promote coal mining which pollutes the world, and send coal mining workers to an early grave. I mention coal, because you said, we should still use fossil fuel until technology catches up.

We caught up, and we could use things like natural gas, that's a much cleaner fuel. ( disclaimer, I started investing in natural gas futures and I'm praying for a cold winter back east to cash in)

Anyway, I know what you believe DaliDali, and I won't change you mind. So I'm really waiting for Wesson's reply, on why he plays both sides.













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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 02:57 PM
High on Conspiracy !


The Glider Guy qualifies for today's Conspiracies R US Propeller-Hat award AND the traditional Red MAGA Enema-Bag Booby-Prize.

To "assume" that a one-foot revision in MSL after 20-years as noted is evidence of anything more likely than improved technical methodology is ........................

FAR out THERE, Mon !
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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 03:21 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  



Silly Jay...….changes the stated "skeptic" to a "denier" in one fell swoop.

Just like you changed Jihad to Jay?...

What drives you to have such rage boiling over you in perpetuity?



Skeptic or denier, putting much same thing in this context. You are trying to deny the obvious, at least to the real scientist that study global warming and say it's real, and mostly man caused.

Perhaps, this subject is over the head of a retired security guard.

Unlike you DaliDali, for example, I see no reason why we need to still promote coal mining which pollutes the world, and send coal mining workers to an early grave. I mention coal, because you said, we should still use fossil fuel until technology catches up.

We caught up, and we could use things like natural gas, that's a much cleaner fuel. ( disclaimer, I started investing in natural gas futures and I'm praying for a cold winter back east to cash in)

Anyway, I know what you believe DaliDali, and I won't change you mind. So I'm really waiting for Wesson's reply, on why he plays both sides.





And the endemic rage boils over to the lies.
Is or is not, natgas a product based on fossil fuels?

You might change my mind a bit Jay, but not the way your going about it.....the opposite effect rules now......my heels are dug in deeper .

Who are you Jay Salman?
Why are you always at the boiling point of rage in nearly every comment you make?

Now back to "ideas"......is the rock 5.5 billion years old or not?
Do scientists have the ability to determine without question, that this rock has never ever seen a natural phenom of warming and cooling? And how did they go about that?

Lets see just how smart you think you are.






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[*] posted on 12-8-2018 at 08:49 PM


BajaNaranja…
I agree with Bertrand Russell!!!




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Quote: Originally posted by BajaNaranja  
“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.” -Bertrand Russell



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