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Cancamo
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There goes the nieghborhood.
Costa Palmas, the upscale developement in La Ribera, (also borrowing the 4 Seasons label), has changed the town forever. Daily, 400 workers are bused
in from as far as San Jose/San Lucas to build the boutique hotels and the $15,000,000. luxury villas, condos, golf course, etc. The professionals and
techs working there are scrambling to find a place to live in town or Santa Cruz, Las Cuevas, El Campamento on up to Buena Vista. No new work on the
adjacent partially built marina project, but rumor is, that is about to change. Folks from all over the Republic are moving into the area daily. What
has been a quiet town has become a noisy, dusty, busy place with no end in sight. The current first phase of the project is estimated to continue the
next five years.
A Centro Comercial Plaza including a Ley supermarket is scheduled to break ground soon up on the coastal road.
My friends born there are already looking to move inland. Yes, the kids are employed, although at 1400 pesos a week for cleaning/maintenance will
eventually not allow them to remain in town, thus requiring commuting to work or moving all together. The professional engineers and surveyors do
better, but none will be welcome within the exclusive private gated community once their work is done there.
This last summer, La Ribera's town water was off for extended periods of time, this mostly due to the construction demands at the project. People are
installing rejas, and lock their doors now, they didn't before.
Currently their are 5800 hotel rooms approved from Buena Vista to Vinorama along the East Cape. Each hotel room generates an average of 12 support
people and their families. INEGI, (Mexico's statistic Institute), estimates the current population of 9800 souls will grow to 120,000 by 2030, then
260,000 by 2040, with an annual growth rate 8.5% between 2030 and 2040.
Implan, (Instituto Municipal De Poblacion), has infrastructure plans to try to support this growth, but water is precious and often scarce.
I see what has happened in a very short time, to Los Cabos and fear that the same fate is inevitable here, (although I don't see millionaires
tolerating the relentless north winds prevalent all winter). Although beaches in Mexico are technically public property, of the 26 " public" beaches
on the corridor, only two are now accessible to the public.
I feel blessed to have lived and enjoyed all the peaceful years here and seen the Choyero life style as it had been for generations.
A few years back, an old rancher friend of mine came to sell me his cheese press. This handmade tool had been in his family for more than one
generation, and represented the livelyhood of him and his family. I knew then it was a sign of things to come, an end of an era, but I though it would
have been coming much slower here. I guess/hope I was wrong.
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Bubba
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I've seen this happen in many areas, even Baja isn't immune...
Making America Great Again
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4x4abc
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everybody is complaining - but nobody is willing to discuss the cause
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DaliDali
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Complicated isn't it?
Mexican land owners, from a small beach front plot, to the multi hectare ranch back a click or two from the beach.....
Their plot of dirt/sand can quickly be turned into instant wealth by selling to the developer.
A greedy developer, driven to satisfy the investors and their profit motives, thinks not of the once pristine white sand beach and goes for the bucks.
A high and rising, consumer confidence level in the US, along with a good economy overall, kids have a job if they want, slowly rising home prices in
the US and boomers at retirement age or close to it, a big pile of equity, if not fully paid off, from that home purchase in the 80ties....now worth a
kings ransom.
Fed up with the sky high prices of maintaining a home, paying high labor costs (RV dealer service rates at $130 clams an hour) and the incessent and
unrelenting drive by politicans to raise a fee and raise a tax, ban this, restrict that, no cokes after 2 PM, biodegradable straws and hot water
heater blankets and cable TV/internet for over a $100 clams a month.
The allure of white sands, year round liveable weather, lower overall costs of living and a fresh fish for dinner right outside the gate.
Like minded neighbors across the courtyard, a Canadian here, a Frenchman there and a pot of pink lillies in front of the door, a unisex hot tub every
6 villas, a security guard shack with a remote control to hail for help, a lovely wrought iron gate at the entry point.
Rosita to clean it all up for 15 bucks, Margarita to cook it all up, Jose to cut the bushes for about the same and a sign up sheet for bocce ball on
thursday afternoon and yoga mats free of charge.
All that, and only two hours from the big metropolis of asphalt and flashing lights.
[Edited on 12-10-2018 by DaliDali]
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BajaBlanca
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Jorge would NOT approve.
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mtgoat666
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Funny how you old farts moved to baja, then complain when other people move to baja 
People gotta make a living. You can’t expect everybody in your sleepy little community to just make-do to keep you happy in your quiet gin-soaked
retirement in rural quaint village life. People gotta make a living, they can’t stop in their tracks to stop time and progress just for you 
And many more people retiring need to find somewhere to live out their sunset years just like you.
Nothing wrong with greed, it drives everyone to work hard. If No reward, don’t expect people to work.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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mtgoat666
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A sure sign of getting old is complaining about change.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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mtgoat666
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How to Cope with a Senior’s Complaining and Negativity
Carol Bradley Bursack, Minding Our Elders
https://www.agingcare.com/articles/deal-with-too-much-compla...
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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Alm
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A little correction, if I may - everybody who is really "living" there.
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Paco Facullo
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People ARE happy for "change" IF it is for the better, the only problem is that most of the times the "change" is NOT.... !!!!
Since I've given up all hope, I feel much better
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Bubba
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Care to elaborate?
Making America Great Again
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JoeJustJoe
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Cancamo wrote:" People are installing rejas, and lock their doors now, they didn't before."
You would think, think place on the sea of Cortez, and just outside of Cabo San Lucas, use to be like Mayfield, the town in "Leave it to Beaver,"
before the Four Seasons resort moved in, the way Cancamo, makes it sound.
I been to lots of places in Mexico, and throughout the world, and I don't know of too many places that the locals do not lock their doors.
The only thing I would say about this place is WOW! I wish I had the money to own something like this, but it appears it's going to be for the super
super rich.
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DaliDali
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The Los Cabos region USED to be like Mayberry.
Now is has the dubious distinction of being the most dangerous city in the entire world.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in...
I don't care how much money I had, I would not live there.
I suppose that wealthy person could just stay locked up behind the gates 7/24 and not get out in the streets....
But what a life yeah?
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4x4abc
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here is my take.
Since history has been recorded a small number of people with capital has been shaping the world at their will. During the last 200 years there have
been some attempts to regulate the negative effect of capital and strengthen the positive effects. Hasn't worked too well. Not much we can do rather
than watch what's happening. Find a quiet spot in society and hope the neagtive effects are not hitting you too often.
Harald Pietschmann
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DaliDali
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Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  | here is my take.
Since history has been recorded a small number of people with capital has been shaping the world at their will. During the last 200 years there have
been some attempts to regulate the negative effect of capital and strengthen the positive effects. Hasn't worked too well. Not much we can do rather
than watch what's happening. Find a quiet spot in society and hope the neagtive effects are not hitting you too often.
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And hence the term of "you cannot stop progress"
Adapt or go blind trying.
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imlost
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Cancamo -
A lot of people move-to or visit Baja with the expectation of being in a resort environment. There are also some people like you, who find great value
in honoring the established community, and view it as something to be cherished. Many people on this forum have never visited where you live, and have
never experienced your relationship with the locals. They'll never be able to understand where you're coming-from.
The Costa Palmas development makes me ill. They've completely taken control of the coastline at La Ribera, and have no respect or acknowledgement that
La Ribera even exists. There's no mention of the town in any of their publications. To me, this is reminiscent of how the US began; with total
disregard to the native Americans.
We are powerless to stop the development. I only hope that it comes slowly, and that the Sudcalifornianos attempt to guide their government to
consider the consequences of what they are allowing to happen. Some good things have happened in this area that are hints of what can be accomplished
if people pay attention - The success of the Cabo Pulmo marine reserve is testament to this.
Please don't let it get you down. Remember that these developments mostly follow the creep of the pavement. There's a lot of Camino Cabo Este that is
still unpaved. Also, don't underestimate the power of money in these situations. If Costa Palmas doesn't make bank, there's less chance that other
developers will take the risk.
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bajabuddha
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..... and the opposite of PROgress is Congress..... 
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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pauldavidmena
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I'm about to put my house on the market in MA, so naturally Google, in its infinite wisdom, begins to send me unsolicited ads for real estate, including this one for Costa Palmas on the East Cape. Obviously Google is unaware of my budgetary constraints, as the $1.7 million starting price
tag is - as they would say on Capitol Hill - "a non-starter".
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MrBillM
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Build it and THEY will Come
Pretty much EVERY one of us who built anything on a beach lot in Baja was essentially doing the same thing. We all contributed to
changing the area that we chose. It's a matter of scale.
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Lee
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That's easy. At least one reason: boomers looking for warmer cliimate and they have money. As in deep pockets. Nothing wrong with that.
And I can't get worked up about gentrification. No dog in the fight. A 4 Seasons residence on the Cape sure looks nice to me. I'd be pretty
happy there.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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