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[*] posted on 12-27-2018 at 03:55 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Brian L  
Weirdly, I no longer have a valid passport, but I have a Sentri card and can travel northbound with that with no problems. I last drove into TJ, so didn't get checked southbound. Haven't tried walking south, but wonder if my Sentri card would suffice for the FMM?


Brian....you must have a passport book or card to obtain the FMM document.

A Sentri card in no way replaces a passport.

You can drive into Mexico without that FMM document, but it is Mexican law to obtain one..




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[*] posted on 12-27-2018 at 05:15 PM


Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  
Quote: Originally posted by Brian L  
Weirdly, I no longer have a valid passport, but I have a Sentri card and can travel northbound with that with no problems. I last drove into TJ, so didn't get checked southbound. Haven't tried walking south, but wonder if my Sentri card would suffice for the FMM?


Brian....you must have a passport book or card to obtain the FMM document.

A Sentri card in no way replaces a passport.

You can drive into Mexico without that FMM document, but it is Mexican law to obtain one..


You used your passport card to get your FMM? That's great that they are now accepting the cards. Must be recent change because they were not accepting them in May when we stopped in to get our 180 FMM.




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[*] posted on 12-27-2018 at 05:37 PM


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You used your passport card to get your FMM? That's great that they are now accepting the cards. Must be recent change because they were not accepting them in May when we stopped in to get our 180 FMM.


I think you're a little confused there Elgatoloco.

Brian is asking, and I'll quote him, " but wonder if my Sentri card would suffice for the FMM?

Well, you know what I would tell Brian, but I'm sure Brian, is interested in other opinions than just mine.







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[*] posted on 12-27-2018 at 05:37 PM


Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  
Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  
Quote: Originally posted by Brian L  
Weirdly, I no longer have a valid passport, but I have a Sentri card and can travel northbound with that with no problems. I last drove into TJ, so didn't get checked southbound. Haven't tried walking south, but wonder if my Sentri card would suffice for the FMM?


Brian....you must have a passport book or card to obtain the FMM document.

A Sentri card in no way replaces a passport.

You can drive into Mexico without that FMM document, but it is Mexican law to obtain one..


You used your passport card to get your FMM? That's great that they are now accepting the cards. Must be recent change because they were not accepting them in May when we stopped in to get our 180 FMM.


Sorry to hear you had a tough go using your card.

A US issued card is the same as the book, only no pages and only good for land and sea ports.

No I didn't use my card, haven't for many years since I got the permanent resident card. No need to apply for a FMM.

I only use it at the gate going to the USA.




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[*] posted on 12-27-2018 at 08:34 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Brian L  
Weirdly, I no longer have a valid passport, but I have a Sentri card and can travel northbound with that with no problems. I last drove into TJ, so didn't get checked southbound. Haven't tried walking south, but wonder if my Sentri card would suffice for the FMM?


I'd get one. Sounds like a reason to yank your card.




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[*] posted on 12-27-2018 at 08:36 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by Brian L  
Weirdly, I no longer have a valid passport, but I have a Sentri card and can travel northbound with that with no problems. I last drove into TJ, so didn't get checked southbound. Haven't tried walking south, but wonder if my Sentri card would suffice for the FMM?


I'd get one. Sounds like a reason to yank your card.


I agree, JZ!




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[*] posted on 12-28-2018 at 08:22 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Brian L  
Weirdly, I no longer have a valid passport, but I have a Sentri card and can travel northbound with that with no problems. I last drove into TJ, so didn't get checked southbound. Haven't tried walking south, but wonder if my Sentri card would suffice for the FMM?


Just like you drove in TJ last time. You will unlikely be checked southbound. They just don't have the procedures in place to check all foreigners by car, like they do with foreign pedestrians.

If you try walking southbound, you will have to go through Mexican customs, and you will need your passport to get the FMM. There are a few rare times during the pedestrian walkway, the Mexican officials, just wave everybody through without checking passports or filling out FMM tourist permits.







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[*] posted on 12-28-2018 at 09:04 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by Brian L  
Weirdly, I no longer have a valid passport, but I have a Sentri card and can travel northbound with that with no problems. I last drove into TJ, so didn't get checked southbound. Haven't tried walking south, but wonder if my Sentri card would suffice for the FMM?


I'd get one. Sounds like a reason to yank your card.


Absolutely! No reason why anyone should not have a passport!




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[*] posted on 12-28-2018 at 09:23 AM


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Absolutely! No reason why anyone should not have a passport!


I could think of a few reasons why someone might not have a passport, and I'm not here to judge.
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[*] posted on 12-28-2018 at 09:54 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  


Absolutely! No reason why anyone should not have a passport!


I could think of a few reasons why someone might not have a passport, and I'm not here to judge.
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Ok, there is no reason to not have a passport, unless you are a flock up.




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[*] posted on 12-28-2018 at 11:32 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  


You used your passport card to get your FMM? That's great that they are now accepting the cards. Must be recent change because they were not accepting them in May when we stopped in to get our 180 FMM.


I think you're a little confused there Elgatoloco.

Brian is asking, and I'll quote him, " but wonder if my Sentri card would suffice for the FMM?

Well, you know what I would tell Brian, but I'm sure Brian, is interested in other opinions than just mine.


Never confused joe. Dali said, and I will qoute him, "Brian....you must have a passport book or card to obtain the FMM document". That is what I was commenting on. You need to pay better attention?

I have had Sentri for 15+ years, I have a Passport and a Passport Card and I always have a current FMM. In May the good folks at the San Ysidro migra counter were not accepting the Passport Card for FMM.
YMMV




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[*] posted on 12-28-2018 at 12:28 PM


Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  


Never confused joe. Dali said, and I will qoute him, "Brian....you must have a passport book or card to obtain the FMM document". That is what I was commenting on. You need to pay better attention?

I have had Sentri for 15+ years, I have a Passport and a Passport Card and I always have a current FMM. In May the good folks at the San Ysidro migra counter were not accepting the Passport Card for FMM.
YMMV


Oh excuse me, I had no idea that you believed Mexican customs, does not accept the Passport card.

As far as I know the Passport cards, are acceptable by land and sea within Mexico, Canada, Bermuda, and the Caribbean.

So it's acceptable if you're taking the Pedestrian walkway to Tijuana.

Now a passport card is not acceptable at the airport if you're flying, then you need a passport.

Elgatoloco, did this personally happen to you?

If so were you at the airport or pedestrian walk way?

So what happened? Did you then flip out your passport, and if so, why carry both?

Did they send you home?

Did they just forget about the FMM and let your through? If they let you through, then no problem.

Or did it happened to somebody else, and maybe you didn't' hear the whole conversation?

If that happened to me, I would ask for the Supervisor, and ask what's going on? A passport card is perfectly acceptable.

If they then refused me, I would go get my car at the parking lot, and just drive right in, because I know they do not have a check point where they are requiring foreign drivers to stop and get a FMM.





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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 11:05 AM


In June they issued FMM at San Ysidro to three of us using our passport cards.
Also, yesterday (as noted on a different thread) I walked across at Otay and the young woman on the migra desk took a quick glance at my card and waved me on with a smile and not any effort to reach for the FMM app. "You're good," she said with a nice smile.
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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 11:13 AM


Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  
In May the good folks at the San Ysidro migra counter were not accepting the Passport Card for FMM.
YMMV


I went to Mike's Sky Rancho last April and they accepted my passport card for an FMM at San Ysidro. I just got the seven day free one, however.

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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 11:17 AM


Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  
In June they issued FMM at San Ysidro to three of us using our passport cards.
Also, yesterday (as noted on a different thread) I walked across at Otay and the young woman on the migra desk took a quick glance at my card and waved me on with a smile and not any effort to reach for the FMM app. "You're good," she said with a nice smile.


Exactly, and I have the same experience as you, when I show Mexican customs, either my passport or passcard, is about 60% of the time, they hand me back my passport/passport card, without having to fill out the FMM, after I tell them by trip will be brief.

Supposedly, the free zone, ended in 2015, and there is some debate if there was ever a free zone, but some Mexican officials, still treat a trip over the border, as it's a free zone trip.

Of course Bajarunner, some will say, just do the right thing and get the FMM, because it's the LAW! They might also tell you, to insist on the FMM, even if the custom official rolls their eyes, and just waved you through.

There is no procedure to turn in your FMM at San Ysidro. It's not wonder they throw it in the trash, although in the back of the FMM, it says to turn it in upon exit.

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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 02:32 PM


My understanding was without a valid FMM your Mexican auto insurance was void.
Does anyone know if that's true ?
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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 05:19 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  


Never confused joe. Dali said, and I will qoute him, "Brian....you must have a passport book or card to obtain the FMM document". That is what I was commenting on. You need to pay better attention?

I have had Sentri for 15+ years, I have a Passport and a Passport Card and I always have a current FMM. In May the good folks at the San Ysidro migra counter were not accepting the Passport Card for FMM.
YMMV


Oh excuse me, I had no idea that you believed Mexican customs, does not accept the Passport card.


[Edited on 12-28-2018 by JoeJustJoe]


You would need more than a "excuse me" here Jay.
What you need is an education in the various MX federal departments.

Customs deals with the importation/exportation of goods NOT people


Concerning PEOPLE entering Mexico, the proper agency that has jurisdiction over it all is the Instituto Nacional de Migration.




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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 07:12 PM


Quote: Originally posted by BajaRat  
My understanding was without a valid FMM your Mexican auto insurance was void.
Does anyone know if that's true ?
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If you ask me, it's more chisme, that your Mexican auto insurance company, will void your policy, if you get in an accident, and do not have a valid FMM.

These types of rumors, start years ago, and then it gets ingrained as real facts, because you keep hearing the same rumor, over and over again, until it takes on a life on it's own, yet nobody ever provided proof this is what happened if you actually get in an accident, and do not have a FMM.

I wouldn't listen to anything I read on some internet forum, and you should always do your own due diligence, especially with sneaky insurance companies.

What we do know is Baja Bounds, has posted or told David K. that immigration status has nothing to do with claims.

What I know about insurance, is if they are going to refuse to cover you under your policy, they have to list it on the declaration page, and they are going to list the exclusions. I would add, if they are going to exclude you for whatever reason, that it better be material, or they will have a lawsuit on their hands. I don't think not having a FMM is material, seeing you have your drivers license, passport, and insurance policy.







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[*] posted on 12-30-2018 at 12:21 AM


Its late and I must be missing something but in this thread we are discussing that Mexico requires a "tourist card" to legally be in Mexico but on another current thread we are discussing that it is highly egregious to require the same of anyone going from south to north?

Strange dichotomy




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[*] posted on 12-30-2018 at 06:18 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  
Its late and I must be missing something but in this thread we are discussing that Mexico requires a "tourist card" to legally be in Mexico but on another current thread we are discussing that it is "highly egregious" to require the same of anyone going from south to north?


No one has said that. I think we all expect that we should follow the rules of another country when visiting, immigrating, or seeking asylum. And visitors to our country should follow the rules we have. All tourist, immigration, and asylum rules should be respected. Just responsible adult behavior.

If the US happens to have more people seeking asylum than the system can handle, well, augment existing systems or change laws. Building a wall does nothing to stem the forces that drive asylum seekers.

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