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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 10:57 AM
FMM--- Need it or don't need it? The latest from the line


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So yesterday I had a brief meeting in Tijuana to attend for a newly formed orphanage corporation. Parked at Otay (Yeah, Plaza Parking is a good safe spot) and walked across.
Handed my passport card to the very friendly young woman at the immigration desk. She took a quick glance and I said "Just going over for a few hours," and she smiled and handed me back the card, "Your'e good" she says.

Remember my recent post where I tried to hand back an FMM to the woman at the immigration desk at Los Cabos airport who smiled, said thanks and dropped it in the trash can.

Well, I guess we are at least consistently inconsistent on the subject.
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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 11:16 AM


Sounds like they are saving paper and/or saving doing the work?
What if you had to stay in Mexico longer for any reason or were the victim of a crime? I think I would insist on getting the FMM.




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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 11:24 AM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Sounds like they are saving paper and/or saving doing the work?
What if you had to stay in Mexico longer for any reason or were the victim of a crime? I think I would insist on getting the FMM.


What does being a victim of a crime have to do with getting a FMM?









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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 11:37 AM


Simple, when questioned by the police, I wouldn't want to be in Mexico without papers. Give them no excuse to not try harder to get the bad guy.



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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 11:45 AM


Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  

Well, I guess we are at least consistently inconsistent on the subject.

Yes, we (Mexico) are. Generally low level of integrity has been integral to this country for as long as I remember.

Thanks for holiday laugh.
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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 11:55 AM


"Victim of a crime"
Well, I remember the extremely unfortunate incident recently where a Baja 1000 race team was returning to Ensenada from Ojos Negros and a young Mexican woman, hopped up on all kinds of chemicals, came across the line and hit their rig and she died. And all the race team went off to jail so it could be sorted out.

Guess some days JJJ just doesn't seem able to follow the bouncing ball, sad to say.

These guys were the ultimate "victims" and their 'reward' was a trip to the cross bar hotel.

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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 12:04 PM


I wouldn't want to be in a situation where I needed the FMM and have to tell the authorities the......."very friendly young woman at the immigration desk said Your'e good..........."
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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 12:16 PM


Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
I wouldn't want to be in a situation where I needed the FMM and have to tell the authorities the......."very friendly young woman at the immigration desk said Your'e good..........."


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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 12:35 PM


Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  
"Victim of a crime"
Well, I remember the extremely unfortunate incident recently where a Baja 1000 race team was returning to Ensenada from Ojos Negros and a young Mexican woman, hopped up on all kinds of chemicals, came across the line and hit their rig and she died. And all the race team went off to jail so it could be sorted out.

Guess some days JJJ just doesn't seem able to follow the bouncing ball, sad to say.

These guys were the ultimate "victims" and their 'reward' was a trip to the cross bar hotel.

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Your answer is about retarded as David K's, and it's full of hypocrisy!

You are the one who started this thread, and said, what I have known for years, through personal experience. If you're going to stay in Baja, less than 7 days, or even less than 72 hours, and are visiting by foot. The practice of many Mexican customs agents, is simply to return the passport/passport card to you without filling it out.

You thebajarunner, could have demanded that they give you the FMM, tourist permit, because you might be a victim of a crime, shake down, accident, or for whatever else fearful reason you or others have come up with.

So when the Baja 1000 drivers killed that Mexican girl, you claim was on drugs, did the FMM help them?

In case you don't know Mexico like the United States, has basic human rights, and Constitutional rights, meaning you don't have to be a citizen of Mexico, or have your FMM, to preserve those rights.

Some of the augments here supporting a FMM, because of a possible crime, is as silly as believing if an undocumented Mexican, in the USA is a victim of a hate crime out on the street, where he is brutally beaten by a car full of white supremacists, and that the police, judge, and US justice system, would not protect his rights because he is an undocumented alien.

You have basic human and Constitutional rights in Mexico, regardless if you have a FMM or not!

Jesus, I can't believe some of your people in this forum don't know this!


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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 01:49 PM


Retarded, to obey Mexican law? Even if nobody stops you at the border to check for it, one should respect the immigration law of a country you visit... In my opinion, anyway.



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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 02:31 PM


Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  

Well, I guess we are at least consistently inconsistent on the subject.




When the new Imm TJ build opened, the one on the east side
of Hwy 5, every ped tourist was issued a 7 day or 180,
If you didn't have a passport/passport card you were
escorted back to the US. Seems things have eased up.
Was a post yrs. back. saying 'the Immigration regs are what
the Imm officer says they are at he time of your crossing'








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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 02:32 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Retarded, to obey Mexican law? Even if nobody stops you at the border to check for it, one should respect the immigration law of a country you visit... In my opinion, anyway.


Well that makes a lot more sense, than telling people you need the FMM, in case you're a crime victim, and then implying if they don't have the FMM tourist permit, the Mexican cops. will just let you lie there in your own blood.

We need to also know the laws in Mexico, and that even as a foreigner, you have basic human rights, and Constitutional rights, regardless of citizenship or FMM tourist permits.

Sorry, about the retard comments, it was more directed towards the group think of anecdotal horror stories that have nothing to do with the FMM.







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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 02:37 PM


, one should respect the immigration law of a country you visit... In my opinion, anyway.[/rquote]

Exactly, the United States included and if others don't respect it then it is our responsibility to enforce it.




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[*] posted on 12-29-2018 at 05:01 PM


Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  
I remember the extremely unfortunate incident recently where a Baja 1000 race team was returning to Ensenada from Ojos Negros and a young Mexican woman, hopped up on all kinds of chemicals, came across the line and hit their rig and she died. And all the race team went off to jail so it could be sorted out.

I'm trying to understand how FMM is related to this.

Did that team have FMM, and did they have Mexican insurance for their rig?
If the answer to at least one of the questions is No, then they had it coming.
If the answer to both questions is Yes, then either Mex system malfunctioned (does happen), or the information is incomplete - ex, they were detained and soon released until the court appearance, and/or had to spend one night in jail because the insurance adjuster or judge (or whoever was responsible for their release) was not available due to remoteness and/or holidays.

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