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[*] posted on 5-11-2019 at 02:11 PM


Somebody way above wrote:

"We need to also know the laws in Mexico, and that even as a foreigner, you have basic human rights, and Constitutional rights, regardless of citizenship or FMM tourist permits."

While this is a nice idea, my 30 years of living abroad in six different countries says, if you are the foreigner, in any situation, you really don't have any rights at all. Be smart. Be as legal as you can.
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[*] posted on 5-12-2019 at 07:49 AM




I have never been arrested. Ever. I have gotten three moving violations, two for speeding and one for crossing double double yellow lines (did not know that was illegal). I used to enter Mexico w/o an FMM/permit. Until I learned it was a legal requirement. Since then I have never entered Mexico illegally. Once you know the law I feel it is disrespectful to intentionally disobey it (well, except for speeding....).




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[*] posted on 5-12-2019 at 08:00 AM


Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Once you know the law I feel it is disrespectful to intentionally disobey it (well, except for speeding....).


Ever smoke pot when you were younger?

And if you live in Colorado, don't keep a couch on your porch.

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/news/g4039/crazy-state...

But, I agree FMMs should be obtained; however, I'll cut some slack for day/weekend trippers to the border region.




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[*] posted on 5-12-2019 at 08:03 AM


Yeah, daytripping may be a different animal. If you are on foot, shopping and eating, a different story. That's day tourism, something they want to promote and not discourage.
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[*] posted on 5-12-2019 at 08:34 AM


I can see it now , the entitled arrogant Gringo gets beaten down by the Foreign Cop as he yells "I HAVE RIGHTS ! I HAVE RIGHTS !



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[*] posted on 5-12-2019 at 08:42 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo  
I can see it now , the entitled arrogant Gringo gets beaten down by the Foreign Cop as he yells "I HAVE RIGHTS ! I HAVE RIGHTS !


I read all the time where Gringos, claims they stand up to corrupt Mexican cops looking for a bribe. Why would they do this if they didn't have Constitutional rights to first see a judge and not pay the corrupt Mexican cop on the spot?

Of course, I don't believe all these claims of standing up to the corrupt cops, where if I was keeping score, the corrupt Mexican cops, get nothing about 95% of the time.

What really that probably happens is many of those gringos, pee in their pants, and offer a bribe before the Mexican cop ask for a bribe, because the corrupt cops can't lose all the time.

But again I ask, if you really don't believe you have rights in Mexico, why would you fight a corrupt Mexican cop asking for a bribe?







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[*] posted on 5-12-2019 at 09:23 AM
What's the COUNT ?


Over the last decade (and longer) on this forum, how many "blah, blah, blah" threads have been generated and debated regarding the "should/should not" question of following Mexican immigration law ?

Informing (and changing) nothing. Including minds.

Do as you like, enjoy the benefits and accept the consequences without whining.

Personally, I never ignored any law or performed any misdeed that I didn't think Mordida wouldn't solve.

Well .......................... except (for many years) packing a (well-concealed) pistol.

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[*] posted on 5-18-2019 at 11:33 AM


Over at "Talk Baja" they have another FMM topic thread going, where Danielle, says her husband walked legally over the border, showed his passport, and was not required to fill out a FMM, which is also my experience about 60 percent when crossing the border by foot.

Of course, you have other members like Alfred, who tells Danielle, that if her husband doesn't get that FMM, he is in the country illegally.

Then you get my favorite myth, that if you don't get a FMM and get into an accident, that the insurance company will not pay and you will go to jail!

You can always find a lot of wrong information on "Baja forums and Facebook group sites.

I also assume that Danielle, is a white American woman, because most Mexican/Latina, women, would not let their husbands cross the border by themselves.
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Danielle wrote: Interestingly, my husband walked over the border at San Ysidro yesterday, and unlike the previous two times he walked across the border, he did not have to fill out an FMM this time. There was also a new bridge that wasn't there last time he crossed, about 6 weeks ago.
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Alfred wrote: if he doesn’t have Temporary or Permanent status he’s in country illegally. Have to find INM to get the FMM form if agents aren’t readily available at the walkway.
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Danielle wrote: no, he entered completely legally, showed his Passport to the officials at the border, coming and going, including the same INM people who required the FMM last time, and did not this time.
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Danielle wrote: I'm well aware of that. And in fact, up until about 6 months ago, he had never had to fill out an FMM when crossing by foot. With this new inspection of cars going South I was simply noting that enforcement is inconsistent, no matter how you cross.
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William wrote: Yes, crossing by foot, they will sometimes ask if you're there for more than a day, and have you fill out a FMM. Sometimes they just make you no matter. But, I'm there quite a bit on the daily without filling out an FMM. Not a big deal.
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Jerry wrote: It is all security theater. If you do not have the FMM, exactly nothing is going to happen to you in the VERY unlikely event that you encounter immigration and they ask for it...
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Jay wrote: I have a friend that is a Cop that works the Wine country. He told me you don't need a FMM in TJ to Ensenada and the Tecate area. I did get one to go to San Ignacio though.
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Peter wrote: your friend is wrong, or just arrogant
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Jay wrote: What happen to the free zone?
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Kirk wrote: you have needed an FMM since jan q1, 20qt5. what will happen is if you get in a car accident without an FMM is your mexican car insurance (if you even have it) will use it as an excuse not to cover you and you'll at least have to pay $$$$ and probably go to jail.







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[*] posted on 5-18-2019 at 03:04 PM


Before I add to my current trip report, let me tell you about Mexicali West this past Monday. Walked into the new, large building on the left and used my passport card for a free 7 day FMM. The officer stressed that it must be returned upon exiting Mexico. The 180 day FMM does not need to be returned. This is the same deal for the last 4+ years.



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[*] posted on 5-18-2019 at 05:11 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Walked into the new, large building on the left and used my passport card for a free 7 day FMM. The officer stressed that it must be returned upon exiting Mexico











Going to SF in a couple weeks, was a post here a few weeks
back, a guy crossing with a group, Mexicali West, East, can't remember which, was refused 7 day fmm's, had to get the 180,
Imm may have seen a chance for $200+ dlls. who knows,
claimed you have to go internet for the 7 day. Going to take
an internet 7 day as a back up. Haven't crossed Mexicali West
since the new crossing. DK. what blvd. did you use to get
over to Mex Hwy 5 to drive so. toward San Felipe? and did you
come back the Mex West? Thanks for your time





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[*] posted on 5-18-2019 at 05:31 PM


Quote: Originally posted by sancho  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Walked into the new, large building on the left and used my passport card for a free 7 day FMM. The officer stressed that it must be returned upon exiting Mexico


Going to SF in a couple weeks, was a post here a few weeks
back, a guy crossing with a group, Mexicali West, East, can't remember which, was refused 7 day fmm's, had to get the 180,
Imm may have seen a chance for $200+ dlls. who knows,
claimed you have to go internet for the 7 day. Going to take
an internet 7 day as a back up. Haven't crossed Mexicali West
since the new crossing. DK. what blvd. did you use to get
over to Mex Hwy 5 to drive so. toward San Felipe? and did you
come back the Mex West? Thanks for your time




Hi Sancho,
There was no question or comment about 180 day vs. 7 day one from the officer. I think it was me who first asked for a 7-day free one of the group that walked into INM for them. Some in the group didn't get one, perhaps because they still had a valid 180-day one?
For the pay one, the officer took the money, as well. The big bank counter was unmanned in the building.

As for the new route to Hwy. 5 from the new border: I was hoping Cameron would use the new route, but at the Tijuana highway access some distance south of the border, he turned left and joined the original route (it joined at the bridge). Maybe he knows the rest of the new route south is confusing and this way is faster? He did have a slick route from Hwy. 98 to the new border that misses all of Calexico!

When I download my photos onto Photobucket.com or PostImages.org (sized to fit Nomad's width of 800 pixels so Doug doesn't have to fix them as he still does for a couple of Nomads who still can't seem to size all of their photos for here), I will show you the photos I took of the intersections Cameron took.

On the way north, we used Mexicali East and I also took photos along that route where we followed Ken and Donna of Bulletproof Diesel, who had an easy way (turn right at the Kenworth) before the RR track traffic circle. I took photos along that route, too!




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[*] posted on 5-18-2019 at 07:33 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Before I add to my current trip report, let me tell you about Mexicali West this past Monday. Walked into the new, large building on the left and used my passport card for a free 7 day FMM. The officer stressed that it must be returned upon exiting Mexico. The 180 day FMM does not need to be returned. This is the same deal for the last 4+ years.



Go figure. I was there 2 weeks ago, very same building, and my buddy was getting his FMM, I already had one. While the guy was filling out my buddies I asked him, do the 7 day FMM's need to be returned and he kind of shrugged and said, there is not really any way to do that senior...

So David, how did you return yours?




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Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Before I add to my current trip report, let me tell you about Mexicali West this past Monday. Walked into the new, large building on the left and used my passport card for a free 7 day FMM. The officer stressed that it must be returned upon exiting Mexico. The 180 day FMM does not need to be returned. This is the same deal for the last 4+ years.



Go figure. I was there 2 weeks ago, very same building, and my buddy was getting his FMM, I already had one. While the guy was filling out my buddies I asked him, do the 7 day FMM's need to be returned and he kind of shrugged and said, there is not really any way to do that senior...

So David, how did you return yours?


None of us who got the free ones did.
Being a passenger in someone else's vehicle... actually 5 trucks northbound here... it was not an option to go across town, look for a way to get to the southbound border gate, then go back several blocks and get into the line, detouring several miles with everyone in a hurry to get home.

The Mexican INM department has a collection system for them at airports as you board, so they need to have a drop box you can access from the driver's window, northbound... if they really want them back badly enough. When I last got a 180 day FMM, I asked that officer about the returning part of a 7-day one. His responce was you are supposed to but it would be okay not to, as well!

My wife and I returned them at Tecate the one and only time I got them before, just to see how the process worked and post it here on Nomad. Tecate is not too hard to drive to the INM office from inside Mexico... still several blocks out of the way, though.




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[*] posted on 5-18-2019 at 08:28 PM


Quote: Originally posted by sancho  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Walked into the new, large building on the left and used my passport card for a free 7 day FMM. The officer stressed that it must be returned upon exiting Mexico


Going to SF in a couple weeks, was a post here a few weeks
back, a guy crossing with a group, Mexicali West, East, can't remember which, was refused 7 day fmm's, had to get the 180,
Imm may have seen a chance for $200+ dlls. who knows,
claimed you have to go internet for the 7 day. Going to take
an internet 7 day as a back up. Haven't crossed Mexicali West
since the new crossing. DK. what blvd. did you use to get
over to Mex Hwy 5 to drive so. toward San Felipe? and did you
come back the Mex West? Thanks for your time



Mexicali West southbound route: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=92781

[Edited on 5-19-2019 by David K]




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