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[*] posted on 1-10-2019 at 12:26 PM


Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
We have enough welfare expense we can’t afford in our trillion dollar yearly deficit without taking on more.


Like tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations we can't afford? Like corporate welfare (subsidies and price support) to farms, oil companies (depletion allowances, cheap exploration leases), etc? How about our bloated DOD budget that supports the MIC (Boeing/Northrop/Halliburton)?

Have you ever considered those programs as "welfare" or just poor people, unemployed, asylum seekers, refugees, and starving children?

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[Edited on 1-10-2019 by John Harper]


I don’t think there is anyone who opposes the programs you mention any more than I do, unless it is Ron Paul.
Today it was reported the Pentagon is having to return som 27 billion to Congress that they couldn’t spend fast enough and have to return. What happens to this money? Unfortunately there isn’t a single district in the US that doesn’t have a politician beholden to supporting most of these programs. Ever watch the chaos when they try to close some military or other government facility? It is political suicide for the politician whose district contains one of these facilities to support closing it. A good start would be to get the sheep to stop believing the scare tactics employed to justify supporting 100+military bases around the world that they justify by hyping the idea we are in mortal danger from foreign entities. Cutting back drastically on this bloated budget could free up a fortune in US infrastructure projects that would employ legal citizens who want to work and cut down on the need for massive welfare payments.


That will never happen, it makes too much sense.

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[*] posted on 1-10-2019 at 02:17 PM


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The bottom line is even with a new wall we need more border patrol officers and personnel to handle all of the immigrants seeking asylum. With the new technology and more border patrol personnel we can do without a useless and expensive wall. We can do more agents/personnel w/o a wall, but you can't do a wall w/o more agents/personnel. so why bother with a presidential vanity project expensive that only his idiotic base wants?


I have a great high tech security system that alerts me to any intrusion on my property wherever I am on my smart phone. I can watch any intrusion in real time. By the time I can call police and they can respond, the intruder is long gone. A poor solution would be hiring enough police to carpet every inch of territory and pay for that. I would much prefer a wall like the celebrity’s and politicians have. The US system is now set up requiring those breaching the US borders to be admitted until their case for asylum can be evaluated. An open border and high tech detection invites the mobs swarming the border and simply being able to watch as it happens. We have enough welfare expense we can’t afford in our trillion dollar yearly deficit without taking on more.


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[*] posted on 1-10-2019 at 02:22 PM


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What are you talking about Bubba? You're always attacking liberals like in this thread. You continue to support the Lier-in-chief, without a clue how deeply unpopular he is with an approval rating in the very low 40's except for his small base in rural America and the south, who love him because he has harsh views on immigration.

Look in the mirror Bubba, before you call others narrow minded.


If you would stop sniveling I wouldn't need to tighten you up on a regular basis.




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[*] posted on 1-10-2019 at 03:11 PM


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If you would stop sniveling I wouldn't need to tighten you up on a regular basis.


Bubba, I see you're always declaring winners, when a member here agrees with you, or some extreme right-wing position.

Well, I could do it too.

Bubba, is the loser!







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[*] posted on 1-11-2019 at 04:21 PM


Today 800,000 Federal workers were not paid because of the wall Gov shutdown.

Today in the news, the border patrol, showed Trump, where tunnels have already been dug where there is already an existing wall.

Test on the prototype steel slats, show a chain saw could cut right through them.

It looks like the wall is pretty ineffective, yet the President is standing firm for this base and the pundits
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Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prot...







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[*] posted on 1-11-2019 at 06:53 PM


Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Today 800,000 Federal workers were not paid because of the wall Gov shutdown.

Today in the news, the border patrol, showed Trump, where tunnels have already been dug where there is already an existing wall.

Test on the prototype steel slats, show a chain saw could cut right through them.

It looks like the wall is pretty ineffective, yet the President is standing firm for this base and the pundits
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Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prot...


You left out a few qualifiers..

"Responding to the picture from the South Lawn of the White House on Thursday morning, Trump claimed "that’s a wall designed by previous administrations."
While it is true that previous administrations used this design, the prototype was built during his administration"

"While the design currently being constructed was informed by what we learned in the prototypes, it does not replicate those designs," said Waldman.

"The steel bollard design is internally reinforced with materials that require time and multiple industrial tools to breach, thereby providing U.S. Border Patrol agents additional response time to affect a successful law enforcement resolution. In the event that one of the steel bollards becomes damaged, it is quick and cost-effective to repair"

"The professionals on the border know that a wall system is intended not only to prevent entry, it is intended to defer and to increase the amount of time and effort it takes for one to enter so that we can respond with limited border patrol agents. Even a wall that is being breached is a valuable tool in that it allows us to respond to the attempted illegal entry."

In response to KPBS, CBP spokesman Ralph DeSio said the prototypes "were not and cannot be designed to be indestructible," but were designed to "impede or deny efforts to scale, breach, or dig under such a barrier, giving agents time to respond."

Pay keen attention to:...."The professionals on the border" which YOU are not.

At any rate......a chain saw to slice through steel is STOOOOPID.
Stick with oak or pine logs for a chain saw.




[Edited on 1-12-2019 by DaliDali]




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[*] posted on 1-11-2019 at 08:24 PM


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At any rate......a chain saw to slice through steel is STOOOOPID.


I wonder what a couple drums of ANFO would do?

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[*] posted on 1-11-2019 at 08:44 PM


Never trust somebody that quotes sources, but doesn't actually link those sources like DaliDali.

Trump, lied again! All eight prototypes, that were breached were made for Trump, during his administration.

Now we are supposed they have this special steel bollard design in the works that will work. BTW, some of the old steel columns already have steel bollard designs in the previous administrations.

You have to remember, Trump, shut down the Government, because he claimed it's a emergency, and the wall, that is now steal slats, is supposed to stop all illegal crossings, drugs and trafficking.

Any drug dealer could simply slip drugs through the columns, and a trip to the hardware store, will give you the tools to cut through the wall.

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Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through

A photo shows that the steel columns were breached with a common industrial tool.

However, testing by DHS in late 2017 showed all eight prototypes, including the steel slats, were vulnerable to breaching, according to an internal February 2018 U.S. Customs and Border Protection report.

Photos of the breaches were not included in a redacted version of the CBP report, which was first obtained in a Freedom of Information Act Request by San Diego public broadcaster KPBS.

The photo of testing results obtained by NBC News was taken at the testing location along the California-Mexico border, known as "Pogo Row."

Responding to the picture from the South Lawn of the White House on Thursday morning, Trump claimed "that’s a wall designed by previous administrations."

While it is true that previous administrations used this design, the prototype was built during his administration.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prot...







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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 05:21 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  


Never trust somebody that quotes sources, but doesn't actually link those sources like DaliDali.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prot...


It was from your post.......duh!!!

The part about "experts".......which you are NOT.




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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 05:38 AM


Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  
Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  


Never trust somebody that quotes sources, but doesn't actually link those sources like DaliDali.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prot...


It was from your post.......duh!!!

The part about "experts".......which you are NOT.


That's just Jay getting way ahead of himself again. The dude has tunnel vision.




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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 09:20 AM


Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  


It was from your post.......duh!!!

The part about "experts".......which you are NOT.


Really?

I see many right-wing sites, are cherry picking from the NBC news sites, but they are not actually reporting that Trump, lied again.

The prototype failures were built during his administration, not during the Obama, administration.

from the article: While it is true that previous administrations used this design, the prototype was built during his administration."

What experts? The border patrol agents, wear jackboots, they are not experts in wall building. We don't know their supposedly new prototypes in the works, will actually work any better than those eight other prototypes that failed.

Now Mexicans, who often work construction, know there are such things as a Handheld Circular Saw, that can easily cut through a wall, and perhaps even a hacksaw could cut through steel. Special chainsaws with a diamond or carbide chain will also cut right through a steel wall.

The pipe dream wall, is going to be at least 800 miles long, who do they think they are kidding, that they will be alerted of any breach of the wall, and will get there in time to stop the immigrants walking through?

There is no emergency crisis at the border. It's nothing but a manufactured crisis to take the heat off the Mueller Investigation, an play to the base.








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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 09:26 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  


It was from your post.......duh!!!

The part about "experts".......which you are NOT.


Really?

I see many right-wing sites, are cherry picking from the NBC news sites, but they are not actually reporting that Trump, lied again.

The prototype failures were built during his administration, not during the Obama, administration.

from the article: While it is true that previous administrations used this design, the prototype was built during his administration."

What experts? The border patrol agents, wear jackboots, they are not experts in wall building. We don't know their supposedly new prototypes in the works, will actually work any better than those eight other prototypes that failed.

Now Mexicans, who often work construction, know there are such things as a Handheld Circular Saw, that can easily cut through a wall, and perhaps even a hacksaw could cut through steel. Special chainsaws with a diamond or carbide chain will also cut right through a steel wall.

The pipe dream wall, is going to be at least 800 miles long, who do they think they are kidding, that they will be alerted of any breach of the wall, and will get there in time to stop the immigrants walking through?

There is no emergency crisis at the border. It's nothing but a manufactured crisis to take the heat off the Mueller Investigation, an play to the base.



You really need to get over your obsession with President Trump, it isn't healthy.




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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 10:02 AM


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You really need to get over your obsession with President Trump, it isn't healthy.


Trump is unhealthy.
And trump is making america unhealthy.

It is good that people are obsessed with defeating trump, defeating trump is the best medicine for the health of the country.




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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 10:07 AM


Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  


You really need to get over your obsession with President Trump, it isn't healthy.


You need to get over your blind support of Sheriff Joe, Trump, and believing that they and you are the good guys.

If you're going to get into these kind of debates, you also need to support your views, than always putting out one-liners.







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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 10:18 AM
The Need to Get Past Trump


As great as it would be to move past Trump, it doesn't look likely in (at least) the near future.

Although there are parallels, unlike an infestation of Cockroaches, baited traps won't work in his case.

Barring a Lucky Strike, 2020 may be the earliest we have a chance of saying A - M - F to the Ass.
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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 10:35 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  


It was from your post.......duh!!!

The part about "experts".......which you are NOT.



Now Mexicans, who often work construction, know there are such things as a Handheld Circular Saw, that can easily cut through a wall, and perhaps even a hacksaw could cut through steel. Special chainsaws with a diamond or carbide chain will also cut right through a steel wall.




There they are.....all along the San Diego sector of the wall, all along the Yuma sector, all along the El Paso sector.....

Diamond studded chain saws, circular saws, files and hacksaws, burning through the steel......slicing and dicing, steel and diamond dust flying, the frienzied crowd squeezing though between…."bollards" falling like matchsticks.....

Which DOES NOT HAPPEN...
Any "worth his salt" Mexican or Central American "immigrant" will just go around.....

Duh!!!




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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 11:41 AM


Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  


You really need to get over your obsession with President Trump, it isn't healthy.


Trump is unhealthy.
And trump is making america unhealthy.

It is good that people are obsessed with defeating trump, defeating trump is the best medicine for the health of the country.


Not so. Obammy created a very unhealthy divide and still strives to make that divide greater. Have you listened to the Dems/Libs lately? It's truly embarrassing.




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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 11:46 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  


You really need to get over your obsession with President Trump, it isn't healthy.


You need to get over your blind support of Sheriff Joe, Trump, and believing that they and you are the good guys.

If you're going to get into these kind of debates, you also need to support your views, than always putting out one-liners.


You are way to easy Jay. Take a deep breath, now exhale... Inhale... Just get in a rhythm and relax.. Not that hard, correct? Check back in later and let us know how you're doin!




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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 12:06 PM


Wow Bubba, you put together 4 or 5 sentences in one post!

I'm impressed, compared to your usual one-liners.

However, still no substance in your writings.







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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 03:03 PM


this gal should be in charge of fixing the border. She is the woman that conservatives are fixated on, obsessed with — not sure what drives that madness of older white men....




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