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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 12:13 PM
Los Barrilles beaches


Looks like long over due changes on hand for Los Barrilles beach access to motorized vehicles.
Sounds like the turtles, (the ones still around), and the beach goers are finally getting a break.
I thought it was illegal anyway, and questioned why folks use the beach as a highway instead of surface roads.

www.colectivopericu.net/2019/01/09/poner-a-salvo-los-nidos-d...
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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 12:21 PM


www.colectivopericu.net/2019/01/09/poner-a-salvo-los-nidos-d...

Can't get the whole address on here for some reason. Can be found on Colectivo Pericue website, search January 9, 2019.

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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 01:12 PM


There are many laws in Mexico. Most are only inforced as a practical matter. No need to be heavy handed with an occasinal innocent violation. Barilles has been discovered by the in crowd and with that has come the arrival of a new kind of fourwheeler. In fact the rage now is FWD four passenger high power de facto cars. Many of them are being stupid on the beach. Sadly, the overworked police are forced by complaints to do something. Ventana isn't far behind.

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[*] posted on 1-12-2019 at 03:38 PM


The people discussing the issue in the article are named as ZOFEMAT and Alcalde de Delegacion or Presidente de la ciudad and Consejo Ciudadano.

The region has a long tradition of more than 50-75 years as well as laws that apply to respective areas. They can't make changes to the entire region as they don't have authority but they can make recommendations which is apparently what they are doing. I recall the paintings at Tio Pablos with the guy on a 3 wheeler and a girl throwing off her bikini top from the 1980s.

The federal zone is one thing which can be protected from excessive use by vehicles though certainly people have a right to enter and exit the water using vehicles to pull in and out boats in certain established areas. In fact, Los Barriles exists because of the shape of land by Palmas de Cortez which provides a safe entry to the water for boats year round even during the Winter as opposed to either North or South, we certainly can not endanger the lives of Pangueros by forcing them out.

The region where homes exist has roads which are established and there are concessions owned by each respective party for specific purposes. The region between each of these has been an established roadway on the sand for a very long time and is part of the makeup of the are which is used by thousands of people to access sports in one of the most active sports areas in North America, that support many businesses and lifestyle. The area is home to a senior population that are among the healthiest and most active senior and people of all ages in the world. There is no way anyone supports restricting their access to sports which requires beach access with vehicles to haul gear.

Access must be provided to the beach and people have a right to access which is established and protected in fact a law was just passed to support a fine of 20MDP to anyone who blocks access to the beach for public use.

Certainly Tortugas and other animals from the federal maritime zone should be protected and there is established efforts to do so.

So, certainly changes may occur, but this proposal will not change the general makeup of the region, it can only discourage driving in the federal zone as a form of transit which is limited use case.

People already are aware and use the federal zone primarily for rigging gear, kites, windsurfers, boats, kayaks etc and cars drive above this area in a safe manner.

So it appears to be well intended proposal that can encourage good behavior in the federal zone and discourage quads and other of those types from driving directly on the beach but it can not change the general layout for the regions to use the defined road area on the beach and arroyos as well as park above the federal zone.

Consider the number of established businesses that depend on using this high road along the beach and people who live there solely to use the area for beach sports and motor sports and consider the lashback against enforcement as well as jurisdiction. In fact there are established off road races that pass through e area, huge events on the beach for every sport with massive Pacifico/Tecate and govt vehicles. Nothing will change nor should it except to discourage the few crazy people driving in the tidal and federal zone and cresting the ridge area on quads acting in an aggressive and idiotic manner.

In general, the region experiences high traffic increase for the 3 weeks at christmas and for 1 week at semana santa and other than that it is quiet, so it makes sense that there would be a reaction every year at this tine.

My prediction is that the result of this proposal will result in a agreement permanently establishing Los Barriles as a place to drive on the beach and arroyos.

Let's get to the point, it's likely an objection to the Diva Shack and some of it's members driving crazy and parking in the federal zone. (sarcasm)



While not in this area, here is an article talking about ZOFEMAT buying heavy equipment to manage and clean the federal zone and establish transit pathways above the federal zone. (just saying - tty to imagine a future for LB and what it will look like, it will certainly include driving along the beach. https://rockypoint360.com/zofemat-funds-translate-into-beach...

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[*] posted on 1-14-2019 at 08:42 AM


I think it is just a matter of time until riding on the beach is a thing of the past in LB.
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[*] posted on 1-14-2019 at 08:44 AM


Quote: Originally posted by mxracer50  
I think it is just a matter of time until riding on the beach is a thing of the past in LB.

Winds of change in Ventana too.




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[*] posted on 1-14-2019 at 10:26 AM


Isn't it funny how foreigners are attracted to a place because it is different... then try to change it to become like the place they left?
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[*] posted on 1-14-2019 at 11:35 AM


Isn't it funny how foreigners are attracted to a place because it is different... then try to change it to become like the place they left?
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Completely agreed.

Here foreigners wonder why the 16 y/o girl at the store hasn't learned English so she can ask if they have fresh mangos....not even aware that its not even mango season. Lady in front of me at the store, I kid you not

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[*] posted on 1-14-2019 at 11:44 AM


Quote: Originally posted by mxracer50  
I think it is just a matter of time until riding on the beach is a thing of the past in LB.


I believe you're correct.




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[*] posted on 1-14-2019 at 12:38 PM


Quote: Originally posted by weebray  
There are many laws in Mexico. Most are only inforced as a practical matter. No need to be heavy handed with an occasinal innocent violation. Barilles has been discovered by the in crowd and with that has come the arrival of a new kind of fourwheeler. In fact the rage now is FWD four passenger high power de facto cars. Many of them are being stupid on the beach. Sadly, the overworked police are forced by complaints to do something. Ventana isn't far behind.

[Edited on 1-12-2019 by weebray]


What happened to, "it's the law, it's the law?"

If somebody dares to drive into Baja, without a FMM, there is nothing but outrage on this forum!

But it somebody wants to go four-wheeling on the beach, and ends up destroying the turtles nests, it's all OK, and the laws aren't all that important, but in the event, if you're caught, a slap on the wrist, should be the only penalty, because it's only a few bad apples that are ruining it for everybody.
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From the translated article: ( this is a worthy goal)

In order to guarantee the preservation of turtle nests, and guarantee the safety of tourists and tenants, it was determined not to allow the circulation of motorized vehicles on the beaches of Los Barriles, informed the head of ZOFEMAT La Paz, Víctor Martínez of Escobar.







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[*] posted on 1-14-2019 at 12:57 PM


well a big part of the problem at least here is that Mexicans drive on the beach the total year, which is their right as citizens. Illegal, probably, but who is going to tell them not too? A guy here got placed in the hospital last year as he got the sht kicked out of him after confronting a Mexican national about riding his quad on the beach.

There will never be a situation where "they can, but you can't", nor should there be.

If in fact they, whomever, starts enforcing the law it will have to be for everyone and not selected nationalities. It will continue and personally it sucks as I hate all quads. They are for fat lazies. .Braaaap!
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[*] posted on 1-15-2019 at 07:22 AM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Isn't it funny how foreigners are attracted to a place because it is different... then try to change it to become like the place they left?
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Spot on quote DK...gotta run I'm late for my beach yoga class I better take the quad.
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[*] posted on 1-15-2019 at 07:50 AM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Isn't it funny how foreigners are attracted to a place because it is different... then try to change it to become like the place they left?
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The Oceano Dunes/Beach here on the Central Coast have been open to all vehicles for a very long time. They have been trying to limit/stop this for a few years now.




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[*] posted on 1-15-2019 at 09:35 AM


Riding atv's on the beach is also a symptom of of another problem: Property owners are increasingly making it difficult, if not impossible, for people to gain lawful access to beaches. If the Mexican government allows access restriction by land owners (both private and corporate) to happen, it only exacerbates the atv issue.
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[*] posted on 1-15-2019 at 10:02 AM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Isn't it funny how foreigners are attracted to a place because it is different... then try to change it to become like the place they left?
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When you were the only one doing it...




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[*] posted on 1-15-2019 at 10:03 AM


Beach access is the number 1 issue everywhere. It's an ongoing battle.




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[*] posted on 1-15-2019 at 10:12 AM


Isn't it funny how foreigners are attracted to a place because it is different... then try to change it to become like the place they left?

Spot on David.
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[*] posted on 1-15-2019 at 10:27 AM


There is a big difference between using a beach as an unpaved road, and using it as a playground. Speed, noise and making a lot of new tracks on a commonly used beach is out of place!



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[*] posted on 1-15-2019 at 02:47 PM


There is a big difference between using a beach as an unpaved road, and using it as a playground. Speed, noise and making a lot of new tracks on a commonly used beach is out of place!

Just wondering how that plays out with people who were born and have lived on that " newly acquired " gringo beach all their lives. And we are here now again telling them how to live. Probably not so well. Just ask MR. Bill of Ventana Bay Resort how that has worked for his new face structure.

Case in point, again. It is not our place, as visitors to this country, to tell them "Mexican nationals" how to live. It is just one more reason for them to despise us as they do, but don't say it to our faces as we
"foreigners" do give Baja residents their income for the most part depending on where you are. If you are in a gringo community you do support them... just be wise which battle you want to wage with them.

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[*] posted on 1-15-2019 at 04:27 PM


Perhaps there is misunderstanding, there are specific designated areas that have existing laws and jurisdiction. Much of baja is sand that doesn't make it beach.

The area in question is the tidal zone and federal maritime zone which is 20 meters or about 60 feet from the average high/low (not sure which) tide line. That is the area that is restricted as a transit area but may be used to launch boats with vehicles in designated areas usually every couple hundred meters depending on shape of the land.

The issue is that some people drive across the maritime zone for no reason and do so in an unsafe manner, too fast, reckless, too many riders, no safety gear, often cresting the hip and falling resulting in injuries and deaths.

There is no restriction to driving in the designated beach access roads, arroyos, and along the beach above the maritime zone though not within concessions that are reserved and restricted for other activities.

The people who initiated this proposal apparently are predominantly Mexican politicians who have just arrived as part of the new government. Perhaps they are unfamiliar with the athletic beach activities which are predominantly non-motorized such as windsurfing, kiting, sailing, swimming and snorkeling though accessed to region by vehicles. Of course while well intended this proposal has led to confusion among people and also police.

The police may not restrict your access to the beach or to travel and transit safely across regions nor in the maritime zone which is a vague interpretation, leading to confusion. Of course, local and state police actually have no jurisdiction in the federal zone. so... only federal ZOFEMAT officials can actually address the federal zone in response to an actual ecological issue that is demonstrated through published academic scientific study. You can camp in the federal zone and do almost anything you want but don't be an idiot or reckless.

The high road above the maritime area and below the concession is actually a designated road. We normally park to the beach side of this road, since that reduces pedestrian traffic across the road.

There will be no persecution of people using this high road to access the beach for recreation. Anyone attempting to restrict access to the area for any motive not supported by law enforced by the appropriate agencies is subject to a 20 MDP fine.



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