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[*] posted on 1-21-2019 at 02:45 PM


You yourself said "without the Almanac errors". The Almanac is made from Mexican government topos with some additions.

Yes, H11B87 is wrong, Arroyo Zamora is incorrect. It is Arroyo el Volcán.
Go to H11B88 and see that they applied Volcán to the next arroyo south, in error.



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[*] posted on 1-21-2019 at 03:00 PM
At El Volcán, 4 mi east of El Mármol


Error on H11D17, "Zamora" instead of El Vocán, right at the geyser...





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[*] posted on 1-21-2019 at 08:44 PM


but which authority says its wrong?
guess I have to go to the INEGI office




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[*] posted on 1-21-2019 at 09:07 PM


H11B88 and H11B87 match just fine






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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 12:53 AM


I never said the maps didn't match, but the one on the right has A. el Volcán printed right below Zamora.

El Volcán is the geyser (onyx soda spring) east of El Mármol... The arroyo it is in would be the one named Vocán.

The also goofed with the name of Bahía San Luis Gonzaga and Ensenada de San Francisquito, reversing those two bay's names.




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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 07:40 AM


Excellent job 4x4. Way better than other attempts at mapping.
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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 08:39 AM


David, do you have a good map showing us the correct names of Bahias and Ensenadas around Gonzaga?



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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 12:02 PM


the name game on topo maps is never ending
not only do they change names every other decade or so - they also have names in places where you think they should not be (ran into that many times in Baja) - but they are the maters and we have to use what they present us with.
And then there are the map maker's games
they add phantasy names wherever they like
Landon Crumpton (Baja Almanac) was a master
AAA had some pretty creative names for places as well

I am sticking what is on the official Mexican government topo maps
on occasion I add names that the Gringos have created
not instead but parallel

a map is not an opinion piece - it is a collection of facts




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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 12:09 PM


I think that is the only issue Harald... the smaller, harbor-like bay between Papa Fernandez' and Alfonsina's is the true Bahía San Luis Gonzaga... some call it Willard Bay after the U.S. Navy H.O. Chart designation. The bigger, more open bay to Punta Final is the Ensenada de San Francisquito, named after the gold ore mill, now called Molino de Lacy and the place where the ore was shipped from (Puerto de San Francisquito, which is now the tourist campo, Punta Final. With a name like that, you can't blame anyone for simply calling it "Gonzaga Bay" too!







PS, some the island names have been changed from what the maps called them.




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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 12:52 PM


totally agree with you David




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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 04:20 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  




PS, some the island names have been changed from what the maps called them.


that map is a good example.

None of the Arroyo names seem right - or they have been changed as well.
And Cerro Maximilian EL 1901? No significant mountain in that area. And the hill that the map indicates is 2230 ft according to GE.

But anyway - the B.J. Edwards map seems interesting. Do you have more?




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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 04:48 PM


Wow, I'm super-excited for this project!

Though you are way more traveled than me, I'm happy to review your maps on the off chance there's somewhere I've been that you haven't.

What to omit? This can be a polarizing topic. When I post things, people have asked me to omit the exact locations of rock art, and also sometimes hot springs (such as El Palomar canyon off Laguna Salada). I tend to agree.

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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 05:04 PM


That map was in the Auto Club's Baja Norte guidebook (1968-1973). The arroyo named 'San Francisquito' reaching the Ensenada de San Francisquito (on the map) is actually the south fork (today called Arroyo Las Arrastras) and the one coming down from the west it joins with is really Arroyo Santa María... all the way to the bay.

Here's a map from 1930, note the name at Lacy's Mill...



All the area names of San Francisquito originate with the waterhole on El Camino Real, originally named "San Francisco" and written about by Junípero Serra in 1769. The water hole was very near Las Arrastras, just downstream and around the corner before going under the new Hwy. 5 bridge, north of Las Arrastras.

Here it is on a 1956 map:





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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 06:12 PM


Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
the name game on topo maps is never ending
not only do they change names every other decade or so - they also have names in places where you think they should not be (ran into that many times in Baja) - but they are the maters and we have to use what they present us with.
And then there are the map maker's games
they add phantasy names wherever they like
Landon Crumpton (Baja Almanac) was a master
AAA had some pretty creative names for places as well

I am sticking what is on the official Mexican government topo maps
on occasion I add names that the Gringos have created
not instead but parallel



a map is not an opinion piece - it is a collection of facts




Shouldn't mapmakers use the official names for places to avoid confusion? A new ranch or ejido pops up and the name changes...or a camp site is created and a name pops up. An excellent example is the use of "shell Island" on some maps. That is one of those fantasy names. There is no such place and therefore should not be on a map.




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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 07:21 PM


I was always intrigued by "Pozo Salorro" on that map
still don't know which well/spring it is




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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 08:01 PM


considering that those maps are hand drawn, it is probably Las Palmitas



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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 08:03 PM


for a long time I was also trying to find Calam spring - today it hit me, they must have meant Calamajue spring




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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 10:44 PM


Harald, I don't know if it'd be useful to you, but I have put together the INEGI 50K and 250K topo maps for all of Mexico. I just put them here on my website:

https://topogeek.com/mexico/

It shows 250k when zoomed out, and 50k when zoomed in. You can Google-search by place name or lat,lon in the lower left input box.

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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 11:37 PM


OMG Geoff... that is fantastic!!! May I link to it on VivaBaja.com?
WOW, incredible work...




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[*] posted on 1-22-2019 at 11:47 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
OMG Geoff... that is fantastic!!! May I link to it on VivaBaja.com?
WOW, incredible work...


Actually, no, please let's not for now. This is temporary. It's on my cheap Dreamhost server which can't handle a lot of traffic.

I'm working on getting these maps a better home sometime in the next year.

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