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[*] posted on 2-3-2019 at 03:08 PM
Angry pangas attack Sea Sheppard


Sounds like 20 or so pangas got frustrated that they can't poach and ruin the enviornment attacked Sea Sheppard.
Sounds like they got drunk and threw empty bottles and other trash.
Might have been a small harmless fire set.
Pretty comical...

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[*] posted on 2-3-2019 at 03:10 PM


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[*] posted on 2-3-2019 at 03:21 PM


Comical?



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[*] posted on 2-3-2019 at 03:37 PM


Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Comical?


Well, it wasn't exactly a well organized comando raid...
Typical drunk frustrated (fill in the blank) blowing off steam in a fairly harmless manner.
A few broken windows...




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[*] posted on 2-3-2019 at 04:39 PM


ABC is reporting molotov c-cktail fire on the hull

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-03/sea-shepherd-attacked...

You have to admit , the kid that tossed that rock had one hell of an arm.
Moving boat
Moving target
Getting hit with a water cannon
Still getting off a good shot.
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[*] posted on 2-3-2019 at 04:45 PM


Quote: Originally posted by tobias  
ABC is reporting molotov c-cktail fire on the hull

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-03/sea-shepherd-attacked...

You have to admit , the kid that tossed that rock had one hell of an arm.
Moving boat
Moving target
Getting hit with a water cannon
Still getting off a good shot.


Wow!
So the Sea Shepard is now doing to these fishermen the same thing the Japanese whaling boats were doing to the Sea Shepards?
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[*] posted on 2-3-2019 at 05:42 PM


Quote: Originally posted by tobias  
ABC is reporting molotov c-cktail fire on the hull

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-03/sea-shepherd-attacked...

You have to admit , the kid that tossed that rock had one hell of an arm.
Moving boat
Moving target
Getting hit with a water cannon
Still getting off a good shot.


Yep




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[*] posted on 2-3-2019 at 06:38 PM


Quote: Originally posted by tobias  
You have to admit , the kid that tossed that rock had one hell of an arm.


Hopefully the Dodgers sign him to a minor league contract.

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[*] posted on 2-3-2019 at 07:19 PM


Hope this doesn't sound insensitive. Shoot them.



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[*] posted on 2-3-2019 at 09:27 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Hope this doesn't sound insensitive. Shoot them.


which ones?
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[*] posted on 2-3-2019 at 09:55 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Hope this doesn't sound insensitive. Shoot them.







Local San Felipe fisherman, having been fishing for generations,
having a foreign flagged vessel determining there ability to
feed there families. Doesn't sound right to me. But neither
does driving a species to extinction. Not sure the Mex Govt wants non Mex citizens shooting there populace




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[*] posted on 2-4-2019 at 08:33 AM


Well said, Sancho! No easy fix or solution for a tough problem, lots of passion on both sides of the issue.
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[*] posted on 2-4-2019 at 08:46 AM


Fishermen are not to be trusted as stewards of the resource. No more than loggers are to be trusted protecting trees. Sea Sheppard is here at the request of the resource-limited Mexican government. They are enforcing the law.



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[*] posted on 2-4-2019 at 10:22 AM


It is interesting that some folks think that a neighbour has no right to comment on or become involved in an issue of concern when a neighbour is slowly ruining a neighbourhood through neglect, malpractice, or disrespect.

The planet is a global village so we ALL have a say in the concerns that come up.


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Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
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Local San Felipe fisherman, having been fishing for generations,
having a foreign flagged vessel determining there ability to
feed there families. Doesn't sound right to me. But neither
does driving a species to extinction. Not sure the Mex Govt wants non Mex citizens shooting there populace




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[*] posted on 2-4-2019 at 11:02 AM


Sea Shepard appears to be a de facto mercenary.

Lost is the simple fact that fresh water flows from Mexico's northern neighbor via the Colorado River are practically nil. This has had a profound effect on the ecology of the northern Sea of Cortez. Some would argue or hypothesize that this lack of fresh water is the real problem in the northern Sea of Cortez, not poaching.







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[*] posted on 2-4-2019 at 11:03 AM


San Felipe fishermen made their own beds. they overfished for years, and now their stocks are below a sustainable level.

So their fix is to go after an endangered fish - because the bladder of that fish is suposed to make Asians D#cks hard. and along the way, besides wiping out the totuaba, they have pretty much extirpated the indiginous vaquita.

They are not fishing to sustain their families, they fish to try and get rich, but that never happens because they are pawns in the hands of the misddlemen, who manipulate them to go to war against those trying to protect the resource.


after the totuaba is gone - what next - how do the fishermen make their living then?

San Felipes economic future depended on wise management of their resources, they blew it, and now have to live in the nest they fouled.

Oh yeah, one more thing: Turns out that legit San Felipe fisherman are being paid 2K a month to not fish . I could live pretty well in San felipe on 2K per month, particulalry if I don't have to buy boat fuel, nets etc! doesn't sound like they should be starving!



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[*] posted on 2-4-2019 at 11:06 AM


Quote: Originally posted by caj13  
San Felipe fishermen made their own beds. they overfished for years, and now their stocks are below a sustainable level.

So their fix is to go after an endangered fish - because the bladder of that fish is suposed to make Asians D#cks hard. and along the way, besides wiping out the totuaba, they have pretty much extirpated the indiginous vaquita.

They are not fishing to sustain their families, they fish to try and get rich, but that never happens because they are pawns in the hands of the misddlemen, who manipulate them to go to war against those trying to protect the resource.

after the totuaba is gone - what next - how do the fishermen make their living then?

San Felipes economic future depended on wise management of their resources, they blew it, and now have to live in the nest they fouled.


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[*] posted on 2-4-2019 at 11:25 AM


Quote: Originally posted by caj13  
San Felipe fishermen made their own beds. they overfished for years, and now their stocks are below a sustainable level.

So their fix is to go after an endangered fish - because the bladder of that fish is suposed to make Asians D#cks hard. and along the way, besides wiping out the totuaba, they have pretty much extirpated the indiginous vaquita.

They are not fishing to sustain their families, they fish to try and get rich, but that never happens because they are pawns in the hands of the misddlemen, who manipulate them to go to war against those trying to protect the resource.


after the totuaba is gone - what next - how do the fishermen make their living then?

San Felipes economic future depended on wise management of their resources, they blew it, and now have to live in the nest they fouled.

Oh yeah, one more thing: Turns out that legit San Felipe fisherman are being paid 2K a month to not fish . I could live pretty well in San felipe on 2K per month, particulalry if I don't have to buy boat fuel, nets etc! doesn't sound like they should be starving!



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[*] posted on 2-5-2019 at 10:49 AM


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The cartels are the ones getting rich....and the head of the coop....Spend a little time the and see how Sunshine lives.


Thanks for making my point for me. Exactly right, illegally fishing for totuaba doesn't make the fishermen rich, it makes the cartel rich. so why would you as a fisherman take all the risk, and get so little of the reward?
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[*] posted on 2-5-2019 at 12:01 PM


Quote: Originally posted by caj13  
Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Quote: Originally posted by caj13  


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The cartels are the ones getting rich....and the head of the coop....Spend a little time the and see how Sunshine lives.


Thanks for making my point for me. Exactly right, illegally fishing for totuaba doesn't make the fishermen rich, it makes the cartel rich. so why would you as a fisherman take all the risk, and get so little of the reward?


Why? According to alm, they're dumb.

Or, an implied threat if fishermen don't cooperate.

Waiting for the fishermen to show up with rifles.

Maybe trying to earn a living. That's what Tio Tom says when I asked him why the gill nets were strung along Pedrito beach.

''They're just trying to earn a living.''




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