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Bubba
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Quote: Originally posted by caj13  | San Felipe fishermen made their own beds. they overfished for years, and now their stocks are below a sustainable level.
So their fix is to go after an endangered fish - because the bladder of that fish is suposed to make Asians D#cks hard. and along the way, besides
wiping out the totuaba, they have pretty much extirpated the indiginous vaquita.
They are not fishing to sustain their families, they fish to try and get rich, but that never happens because they are pawns in the hands of the
misddlemen, who manipulate them to go to war against those trying to protect the resource.
after the totuaba is gone - what next - how do the fishermen make their living then?
San Felipes economic future depended on wise management of their resources, they blew it, and now have to live in the nest they fouled.
Oh yeah, one more thing: Turns out that legit San Felipe fisherman are being paid 2K a month to not fish . I could live pretty well in San felipe
on 2K per month, particulalry if I don't have to buy boat fuel, nets etc! doesn't sound like they should be starving!
[Edited on 2-4-2019 by caj13]
[Edited on 2-4-2019 by caj13] |
Winner!
Making America Great Again
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chuckie
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News to me! Dint know the Japanese were whaling around San Felipe!
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bajadogs
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
I would love to be a Sea Shephard, live off of Hollywood money, zip around in a Zodiac, and save the whales or the dolphins or whatever makes the
money flow to make it all possible!
How come their TV show is no longer on the air?  |
You spelled it wrong again señor but Sea Shepherd is always looking for volunteers (unpaid) and because you are not being political or sarcastic as
you claim, put you heart where your mouth is. Protect Baja. I thought you loved Baja. Have you ever learned something new, and admitted you were
wrong? Ever?
https://seashepherd.org/get-involved/
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fishbuck
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Thanks for the link.
Save the Whales!
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for." J. A. Shedd.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. – Albert Einstein
"Life's a Beach... and then you Fly!" Fishbuck
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freediverbrian
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | No bajadogs, I do not see anything political with my observation that Sea Shephards are using water cannons... as did the Japanese against them. Two
wrongs don't make it right, does it? Or, are you saying that water cannons were okay then and are okay now?
I would love to be a Sea Shephard, live off of Hollywood money, zip around in a Zodiac, and save the whales or the dolphins or whatever makes the
money flow to make it all possible!
How come their TV show is no longer on the air? |
Don't discount the idea because you don't agree with the actions , THE idea is saving marine life from over fishing!! If you know of a better way then
do it !! As far as the TV show that's business nothing to do with saveing marine life. Keep the eye on the goal!
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MrBillM
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Getting It RIGHT
Shepherd, that is.
For the spelling-challenged, think Sheep HERD.
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freediverbrian
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You can't be correcting the spillin police. Can you ?
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joerover
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WE ARE SEA SHEPHERD
WE ARE SEA SHEPHERD
Sea Shepherd Conservation Society (SSCS) is an international non-profit, marine wildlife conservation organization…
https://seashepherd.org/
somebody put davidk down for a pile of loot
https://seashepherd.org/portfolio/donate/
[Edited on 2-9-2019 by joerover]
the fat lady is breeding
which means
The fat ladys are breeding
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Royosbaja
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Every time I scroll down the "todays posts," my eye sees this topic as "Angry PANDAS attack Sea Shepard" makes me smile. HAHAHAHAHA
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Gscott
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| Quote: Originally posted by Don Jorge | Sea Shepard appears to be a de facto mercenary.
Lost is the simple fact that fresh water flows from Mexico's northern neighbor via the Colorado River are practically nil. This has had a profound
effect on the ecology of the northern Sea of Cortez. Some would argue or hypothesize that this lack of fresh water is the real problem in the
northern Sea of Cortez, not poaching.
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It's not lost on me. I was going to say the same thing. California stealing the water from the Colorado is the cause of the destruction of the Sea
of Cortez. And no one is doing a damn thing about it.
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MrBillM
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Mercenary ?
In common parlance, a Mercenary is generally one who acts for personal gain without political or ethical
motives.
While I don't follow their activities other than when they appear in the news, it seems that they have well-defined and consistent set of
goals regardless of where they choose to participate.
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caj13
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Those who "hypothesize" the real issue is fresh water flow: I have a question for you.
How does the lack of fresh water flow string dozens of miles of gill nets nightly?
seems like the Vaquita and totuaba, in spite of the environmental challenges have lived and thrived in the Sea of cortez , until all of a sudden
Asian cultures decided they needed a new potion to make their flacid wrinkled old man D*cks hard.
I do have serious concerns about the USA ignoring the water rights treaties etc, and recognize the environmental issues that is causing, but right
now - the immediate cause of extinction is clear for the vaquita and the Totuaba, and restoring the flow of the water will have no effect on
removing the nets.
[Edited on 2-10-2019 by caj13]
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MrBillM
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Hypothesizing
Whenever a really absurd argument is ventured, there is the (charitable) tendency to view it as farce.
Only to often find that the provider is serious. Sort of like those who "think" that Aliens (from outer space) are walking among us. And,
running the government.
In this (the Fresh Water theory of fishery extinction) ................... ???????
It's a JOKE, right ?
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daveB
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So this is the FB (Facebook?) Baja site, or was TT referring to another sitre...Facebook was never even thought about, and came several years after,
Baja Nomad.
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del mar
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| Quote: Originally posted by Royosbaja | Every time I scroll down the "todays posts," my eye sees this topic as "Angry PANDAS attack Sea Shepard" makes me smile. HAHAHAHAHA
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cute little guys flinging bamboo shoots at the sea shepherd.....I like it!
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The all too few Baja fishing coops like Sharis' husband in Bahia Asuncion need to realize that their future depends upon waking the f up and seeing
what will be ultimately be in their own self interests if they want to keep fishing as a living.
This should be simple. I wonder if a roving ambassador could be effective in teaching some of these reluctant coops to see what will ultimately be in
their own best interest to continue of fishing.
Peace, love, and fish tacos.
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AKgringo
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Sea of Cortez fishermen also have to contend with boats coming over from ports on the mainland.
Maintaining a resource for sustained yield, without enforcement, financially favors those who cheat!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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surfhat
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Peer pressure.
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weebray
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AK points out another aprieto. Fishermen at Isla Partida one told me that when they asked visiting mainland pangeros to stop netting inshore waters
they were told: "get out of here or we will kill you."
Every beautiful beach in the world needs a few condo towers - NOT.
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| Quote: Originally posted by weebray | AK points out another aprieto. Fishermen at Isla Partida one told me that when they asked visiting mainland pangeros to stop netting inshore waters
they were told: "get out of here or we will kill you."
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Yup. Sad but true words you don't want to hear.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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