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[*] posted on 2-8-2019 at 09:17 AM


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Quote: Originally posted by wessongroup  
"The key message is that the planet is warming," Gavin Schmidt, the director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York City, told reporters at a news conference. "And our understanding of why those trends are occurring is also very robust. It's because of the greenhouse gases that we['ve] put into the atmosphere over the last 100 years." [6 Unexpected Effects of Climate Change]"

https://www.livescience.com/64700-2018-heat-record.html

Would imagine heat has influence over the water cycle ... just saying :):)


Or it is a very normal trend that keeps repeating the older earth gets...




What greenhouse gasses were the Vikings making in 1000 AD??? LOL


Heyc David, how about you find the same graph with the temperatures on them? that graph is absolutely useless, is that 10 degrees above and below normal? or is it 2 degrees? or 0.1 degree. without that context yoiur graph is useless.

I will say thank you though, that graph is actually pretty famous, and we have a very good understanding of the climactic maxima and minima this is showing. And not only that - we pretty much understand why it happened - Milankovich cycles and some other contributing stuff! Unfortunately, current data cannot be explained by those cycles, it's supposed to be getting cooler in the northern hemisphere for the next 13,000 years, and it's obviously not - and what explains that? other than carbon in the atmosphere? nothing!

so since you are such a fan of wikipedia - here you go! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum
Be forwarned - its science stuff, and I know you recognize that all scientists are in on this global conspiracy, in this case those dang scientists actually went to the trouble of fabricating up ice cores supposedly drilled from the Arctic and Antactic - and you and I know they made then in a popcycle mold in a freezer in Encino!e
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[*] posted on 2-8-2019 at 10:08 AM


caj13, how about you showing me a place where the sea has risen. I keep providing visual proof, that doesn't need a Ph.D. to see, and all I get back are excuses or the subject is changed. I think until evidence is provided that shows otherwise, I am happy with what my eyes see and I am not going to become Chicken Little and panic over something that cannot be changed by taxing us all into oblivion.

As for which liars to side with? How about the ones that don't want to kill babies, or let America be invaded, or reverse a growing economy, or wear white hoods??? :light::biggrin:

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[*] posted on 2-8-2019 at 10:40 AM
Taxed into Oblivion ? The GOOD News IS ......................


Think Happy Thoughts. I looked out this a.m. and the big tree in my front yard appears to still be the same distance from the ocean. More or less. Obviously all that nonsensical NOAA satellite ranging is bunk.

ALL of those opining here to little (no ?) effect will interpret and frame ANY data in terms of their own preconceived conclusions safe in the knowledge that they are almost certain to be Maggot-Feed sooner than they're taxed into oblivion.

And, whatever anyone here has thought or written (along with them ?) will be unremarked and unremembered.

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[*] posted on 2-8-2019 at 10:41 AM


These pics looked photo shopped. Don't ya have real proof
DKKK?

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Quote: Originally posted by norte  

Almost everyone....even those that can't agree with the cause, agree the seas are rising David. I know you probably won't read this but here are some factual readings. https://www.skepticalscience.com/sea-level-rise.htm


You can throw all the links to words in the world, but here is the evidence, the facts, the truth, the science... OBSERVE 64 years of sea level rise:

1952:



2016:







64 years... :wow:;D




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[*] posted on 2-8-2019 at 10:42 AM


it is very difficult to find graphs with numbers
it is very difficult to find graphs that reach from 2,000 years ago to today
once you find some, you notice that some display ocean average temperature - others land mass temperature

in the end I found 2 - but they are of different scale
AD to 2000 displays a range of +5 and -5 degrees Celsius
1880 to 2017 displays a range of +0.6 and -0.4 degrees Celsius

so it has gotten warmer than average today by about 0.6 degrees C - about as warm as it was 1,000 years ago
whether this is good or bad - I don't know
I am not an expert
and i haven't decided yet which experts to believe
seems most have an agenda
some have noble agendas (saving us from doom)
however, any agenda makes people lie (first and foremost the experts)
so I am cautius whom to believe
churches have shown us that believing can be bad for your health
so I stay out of it

anyway, below the numbers

AD to 2,000 first



1880 to today next:



stitching them together for the bigger picture:



whether the warming trend is normal or threatening is impossible for us normal people to say
whether or not we humans have caused the latest rise is impossible for us normal people to say
whether or not we can reduce that rise is impossible for us normal people to say

so we have to leave it to our über-parents - the governments
and despite some good work, they have shown a tendency to tornillo us (no graph)

I am going for an early Margarita to reduce my temperature






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[*] posted on 2-8-2019 at 10:54 AM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  

As for which liars to side with? How about the ones that don't want to kill babies, or let America be invaded, or reverse a growing economy, or wear white hoods??? :light::biggrin:

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Religious (moral) and extreme right wing political rants are inappropriate here DK.

This stuff is really upsetting for some folks.

Try to focus more on Baja. If you're still worked up, take a break?






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[*] posted on 2-8-2019 at 01:58 PM
Sea Level Rise and factors contributing to same


GMSL rose at a rate of 3.0 ± 0.7 millimetres per year between 1993 and 2010

“Estimating and accounting for twentieth-century global mean sea-level (GMSL) rise is critical to characterizing current and future human-induced sea-level change. Several previous analyses of tide gauge records1,2,3,4,5,6—employing different methods to accommodate the spatial sparsity and temporal incompleteness of the data and to constrain the geometry of long-term sea-level change—have concluded that GMSL rose over the twentieth century at a mean rate of 1.6 to 1.9 millimetres per year. Efforts to account for this rate by summing estimates of individual contributions from glacier and ice-sheet mass loss, ocean thermal expansion, and changes in land water storage fall significantly short in the period before 19907. The failure to close the budget of GMSL during this period has led to suggestions that several contributions may have been systematically underestimated8. However, the extent to which the limitations of tide gauge analyses have affected estimates of the GMSL rate of change is unclear. Here we revisit estimates of twentieth-century GMSL rise using probabilistic techniques9,10 and find a rate of GMSL rise from 1901 to 1990 of 1.2 ± 0.2 millimetres per year (90% confidence interval). Based on individual contributions tabulated in the Fifth Assessment Report7 of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, this estimate closes the twentieth-century sea-level budget. Our analysis, which combines tide gauge records with physics-based and model-derived geometries of the various contributing signals, also indicates that GMSL rose at a rate of 3.0 ± 0.7 millimetres per year between 1993 and 2010, consistent with prior estimates from tide gauge records4. The increase in rate relative to the 1901–90 trend is accordingly larger than previously thought; this revision may affect some projections11 of future sea-level rise.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature14093



there are active footnotes contained in the “quoted abstract” 



Stratospheric ozone over the United States in summer linked to observations of convection and temperature via chlorine and bromine catalysis



"We present observations defining (i) the frequency and depth of convective penetration of water into the stratosphere over the United States in summer using the Next-Generation Radar system; (ii) the altitude-dependent distribution of inorganic chlorine established in the same coordinate system as the radar observations; (iii) the high resolution temperature structure in the stratosphere over the United States in summer that resolves spatial and structural variability, including the impact of gravity waves; and (iv) the resulting amplification in the catalytic loss rates of ozone for the dominant halogen, hydrogen, and nitrogen catalytic cycles. The weather radar observations of ∼2,000 storms, on average, each summer that reach the altitude of rapidly increasing available inorganic chlorine, coupled with observed temperatures, portend a risk of initiating rapid heterogeneous catalytic conversion of inorganic chlorine to free radical form on ubiquitous sulfate−water aerosols; this, in turn, engages the element of risk associated with ozone loss in the stratosphere over the central United States in summer based upon the same reaction network that reduces stratospheric ozone over the Arctic. The summertime development of the upper-level anticyclonic flow over the United States, driven by the North American Monsoon, provides a means of retaining convectively injected water, thereby extending the time for catalytic ozone loss over the Great Plains. Trusted decadal forecasts of UV dosage over the United States in summer require understanding the response of this dynamical and photochemical system to increased forcing of the climate by increasing levels of CO2 and CH4."

https://www.pnas.org/content/114/25/E4905

Took this guy around around a year to “review” the report for accuracy, prior to publishing “Edited by John H. Seinfeld, California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA, and approved May 9, 2017 (received for review November 28, 2016)”

Have fun with the reports … question on the report’s “content and accuracy welcomed ;) ;)

Whats an inch of sea level rise look like … by the tree



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[*] posted on 2-8-2019 at 02:55 PM
The Shifting Sands in Time


The sandy shorelines often come and go (in varying degrees) with the tides.

And come back again.

Proving nothing much regarding the extent of sea-level rise over the (relatively-short) time frame.

It's fun to watch the two entrenched sides argue, though.

With one side dominated by a strident refrain of (imminent ?) catastrophe while the opposition "don't worry-be happy" bunch has a somewhat conflicted mixture of "nothing's happening", "what's happening is a normal cycle" and/or "it's so slight that we need not worry" along with some "OH NO, we'll be taxed out of our Toys".

Personally, I'm fed up with these sub-40 degree days and nights in the 20s. I'd just like to see some Climate Change that will keep Winter warm for whatever functional time that I've got left. After that ................ Oh Well. Not my problem.

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[*] posted on 2-8-2019 at 04:43 PM


One thing you'll rarely see from the global warming denier crowd, is they rarely if ever provide any links backing up scientific research, that denies global warming, but the few times they do provide links, it's pretty much lightweight material from blogs, like the ones Cliffy linked. ( well at least he trying)

In one Cliff blog below, it's ran by registered financial adviser, and the other blog is owned by a so-called, Seal Holder, meteorologists, which I believe is something like a TV weather girl.

The few times denier crowd actually comes up with real scientific evidence, a little digging usually shows it's a hired gun, non-climate scientist in a releated field that has links to Exxon, or other polluting corporation, that has a vested interest in denying global warning, in order to make obscene profits, and keep their legal liability down.


Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  
Just so light bedtime reading


https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/amidst-global-warmi...

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/01/23/the-co2-derangement-s...







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[*] posted on 2-8-2019 at 08:19 PM


interesting: "global warming denier" = non believer = infidel

this is as wrong as "greenhouse gases"
our atmosphere has a lot of different gases
and they are just that - gases

however, some of the early guys in the man made global warming saga started to use "greenhouse gases" to make it easy for everyone to connect CO2 to the sensation one has in a green house. Uncomfortably warm and humid.
Scientists should not use those old church tricks.




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[*] posted on 2-9-2019 at 11:14 AM
Wondering Whether the Wacky Weather will cause us to Wither ?


Whatever ?

IF SO, Conclusive (or, at least, unarguably affirmative) evidence which would convince politically partisan skeptics is likely a long ways out. Hopefully, not beyond a point of no return, but as Doris said "Que Sera Sera".

The history of mankind has (nearly) always been one of defending parochial short-term interests while minimizing the likelihood of future harm.

The Climate Change debate isn't likely to move any on either side given the inexorable link between their political thinking and the question.

AND, as their (the skeptics) last rhetorical redoubt, whatever occurs can be attributed to historical (relatively) short-term natural climate variances.

"You don't know what you've got till it's Gone."

Joni said that.

"F - IT ! There is NO Hope."

I said that.

With apologies to Oscar Hammerstein:

"Let's all play until Judgement day. Burn that Oil and that Coal, Get a little drunk, stay out of Jail. All that Weather just keeps on rolling along ............."
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