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mtgoat666
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Don’t worry, be happy!
Always look on the bright side of life!
Peace, love and (sustainable) fish tacos!
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David K
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Quote: Originally posted by ocshredder  | To answer all the doubting people I’ll try my best
Saw 2 dead turtles up past the last point on the beach, one dead turtle at 4th point, 4 dead turtles between 2nd point and down past the boat
Launching Also there were at least 3 dead seals down there too.
Accordingly to the fishermen they started net fishing about 10 days ago
We have been coming down for four years. We truly love this place, the kind locals, the safety, but this is a very sad few days. Like someone went
into an aquarium and killed everything |
Did you take any photos?
I am happy to add them here for you until you figure out how to add them.
Email them to me at: info AT vivabaja.com (AT = @)
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JoeJustJoe
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| Quote: Originally posted by solosancarlos | [r
something just sounds a bit contrived with this story. It's sad if it's true but I just don't believe it. Was there 3 weeks ago and saw nothing of
this
[Edited on 6-17-2019 by solosancarlos] |
I'm with you Soloancarlos, when the OP claimed baby cub caught in the net and crying all night. My BS detector went off especially with the crying
daughter.
This guy was here almost exactly the same last year claiming the very same thing about the killing and the slaughter of sea turtles last year like its
an obsession with him.
I bet he will be back next year too with the same story.
If you want to raise awareness of the sea turtles, there is a better way then doing tearjerker stories.
[Edited on 6-18-2019 by JoeJustJoe]
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ocshredder
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Wow. Kind of shocked and insulted by some of the responses on here. Seems like there are some extremely sarcastic people that are sitting in there
sofas stateside, I had to wait for satélite Internet café to open to see these. Anyway, I have not taken any pictures but I will. And to those that
doubt the sadness of a 8 year old little girl that takes pride in helping and preserving nature, that shows you’re a pretty disgusting person
internally. All I was doing was bringing this to the table, from what I gather, it’s normal. Just seems odd in 2019 that this type of hunting is
allowed and continuing.
May the oceans be saved.
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solosancarlos
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Fair enough then and accept my apologies please. If the nets have only recently been in use than it is obvious to me why I didn't see any evidence of
this when I was there.
Having been living, working and traveling baja for a whopping 15 yrs or so now I have begun to harden a bit to the constant giddiness of Baja visitors
and the need to tell their story.
Reality and reactions often don't tell the same story. Especially, in the bizarre culture known as Mexico. Events take on that mythical aura in what
seems like minutes. The what happened, the what the authorities claim happened and what the people say happened.
Always three completely different tales
It is human nature to want to embrace and share information. Often it is good news and sadly, often it is not. Mexico shows the visitor quite quickly
both sides and both give us powerful reactions.
Best all and I will try and temper my comments for the future.
[Edited on 6-18-2019 by solosancarlos]
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Bajazly
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Where the hell did you imagine this from? Can you even read?
You are an A$$!
Believing is religion - Knowing is science
Harald Pietschmann
"Get off the beaten path and memories, friends and new techniques are developed"
Bajazly, August 2019
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JoeJustJoe
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I went back and fixed my post as I was waiting for my UBER ride when I first posted and was in a hurry.
Read the OPs previous posts, it's the same thing last year. He should have prepared his daughter that she will see dead turtles on the beach. If the
pup was crying all night in the net why didn't the OP go out there and free it?
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ocshredder
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Was told if you were to touch a net , you go to jail or worse.
Trust me, I would of paddled my longboard out there and cut it free in the dark if jail wouldn’t have been the outcome.
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| Quote: Originally posted by ocshredder | | Made our annual summer trek to Scorpion Bay with the kids. Been here two days and have seen 7 dead sea turtles , too many skate rays, sea horses,
small fish ( halibut, corvina, s paper types). They are setting nets from the bay to points far and near. My little daughter was nearly in tears
seeing all the turtles. Overfishing to the maximum, went down to the beach and watched them unload the boats. In short, there’ll be no more sea
life here in the next 2 years. Sad. |
This has always made my blood boil. Been fishing the SOC for 30+ yrs and I realize the businesses down there try and hide this but the truth is,
they've been shooting themselves in the foot for a long time. I have watched the fish counts decline personally for a long time. They have literally
raped that sea for everything in it with total disregard for everything/anything...
Myself and many of my friends used to spend a lot money down there fishing (a lot of C&R, just keeping what we could eat fresh that night/next
day) giving back to the local economy with renting rooms, eating at restaurants, buying "souvenirs" that we already had, etc.. just trying to give
back... We all decided to spend our money else where now and won't be going back in the near future...
Making America Great Again
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Appreciate the heads up and info. Sorry you had to witness that fact of life in Baja. Desperate or lazy its hard to know the motivation of the fisher
people who pillage. I have never walked in their shoes so its' hard to wrap ones head around it all. We witnessed similar activity at Playa Requeson
(gill net) and it was sad. The guys doing it did not seem to have much going for them.
Please ignore the trolls, especially JJJ as he is the biggest buttcrack to ever grace these pages but I only been hanging around since pretty much the
beginning. He is a 'keyboard commando' with not much of a life. Think of it (jjj) as that piece of gum you got on your flip flop, just scrape it off
with some driftwood and move on down the beach enjoying things to the max.
Don't sweat the small stuff!
| Quote: Originally posted by ocshredder | Wow. Kind of shocked and insulted by some of the responses on here. Seems like there are some extremely sarcastic people that are sitting in there
sofas stateside, I had to wait for satélite Internet café to open to see these. Anyway, I have not taken any pictures but I will. And to those that
doubt the sadness of a 8 year old little girl that takes pride in helping and preserving nature, that shows you’re a pretty disgusting person
internally. All I was doing was bringing this to the table, from what I gather, it’s normal. Just seems odd in 2019 that this type of hunting is
allowed and continuing.
May the oceans be saved. |
MAGA
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John Harper
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| Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco | | Think of it (jjj) as that piece of gum you got on your flip flop, just scrape it off with some driftwood and move on down the beach enjoying things to
the max. |
More like beach tar on your foot, annoying and hard to get rid of.
John
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JoeJustJoe
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I'm sorry, but you can only cry wolf so many times, because you get used to whatever you're outraged about. Ocshredder, only has 10 posts, but the
vast majority of them are about dead sea turtles. I'm pretty sure, he will be back next year again with this daughter and be outraged again over dead
sea turtles. I get it he has an agenda.
The other selective outrage are the same type of "Baja Nomad" members who will use threads like this to stick out their big fat fingers, and point
them at Mexican poachers, hunters, or fisherman, as if they were members of PETA, CODEPINK, or environmentalists.
The kicker, is you know they are not PETA members, and you know they think nothing of killing innocent animals or sadistically be involved in sports
fishing for fun, nor do they care about the environment, because they are Trump supporters, but like Trump, can never miss a beat to bash Mexicans
when the subject comes up. It's enough to make me want a a cup of turtle soup.
This is what Ocshredder posted last years at exactly the same time:
| Quote: Originally posted by ocshredder | | We are camping in San Juanico, Baja Sur, aka scorpion bay, and are curious to why there are so many dead sea turtles washing up around the points and
the beach down the way ?? |
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mtgoat666
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Just ignore joe when he gets off track,... he tends to accentuate schisms with skepticism and criticism (and some other -isms)
And get back to living the life of peace, love and sustainable fish tacos!
Woke!
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In regards to JustJoeJust or whatever it is. I did post
That last year and was told there was some shrimp boats dragging nets in the night. That was a lie I know now. And there are way more dead turtles
this year. Too many to count at this point horrific. We are headed to east cape early. Too depressing here unfortunately. Hope we will come back
someday when it’s not a slaughterhouse. And I don’t get into trash talking , especially online , but Joe you should get out of your house and go
see the world my friend
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‘but Joe you should get out of your house and go see the world my friend"
Amen! Some do make an interesting, informative post a PIA to read through. The dude,jjj, is an burrohat at best with nothing to do.
Thanks for the interesting post and the balls to do it here on this forum.
I have seen the same slaughter over the past 20 years and it is sad.
It is unfortunate that other people don‘t post information like this, and I can‘t blame them due to trolls looking to beat you up as the are
switching between this forum and free porn because they don't "work" anymore. Just Jack Jackin...JJJ
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mtgoat666
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Most “sport” fishermen like to think they are God’s gift to fish because they catch and release. Fact is that most released fish die, they
almost all suffer trauma in the catch.
I suppose the world can support sport fishermen fishing occasionally, maybe a few times per year per individual. If they fish daily or weekly, they
are as bad for the environment as commercial gill netters.
I find it sad that the gill netters and drift netters and long liners and sportsmen kill so much extra sea life,... but reality is that the world is
full of 7,500,000,000+ people, and people are Gonna do what they need or want to do until someone teaches them better and govt or agencies police the
environment. When you got to control the excesses of 7,500,000,000+ people, big govt is good
Practice birth control!
Be vegan!
Don’t be evil!
[Edited on 6-19-2019 by mtgoat666]
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Once again Goat666 has open his mouth and proved to everyone that he's a know-nothing marooon. At least he's consistent.
Sport fishing has never been the problem, and never will be. Their catch represents a tiny fraction of what's taken.
You're an idiot.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by Enrique2012 | Once again Goat666 has open his mouth and proved to everyone that he's a know-nothing marooon. At least he's consistent.
Sport fishing has never been the problem, and never will be. Their catch represents a tiny fraction of what's taken.
You're an idiot. |
BS!
Tons of studies show sports fishing depletes the stock and must be controlled. Do you think the seasonal and daily limits for sports fishing are just
for chits and grins?
Show me one study that shows good survival rates for catch and release of deep water fish. They all die.
Woke!
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Since a few American sports fisherman, got on top of their high horse, and pointed their fingers at Mexican commercial fisherman, using nets which
also tragically catches other marine life in their nets like turtles, and happens all over the world, and is not unique to desperate or lazy Mexicans,
who pillage, as one "Nomad" posted in this thread a few posts back.
There are a couple of theories and studies out there trying to answer the question, if fish feel pain.
One so-called study, a few years back, claim fish do not feel pain, because they don't have enough pain receptors in their bodies, and what you see
the fish responding to his unconscious stimuli, and they basically say the fish have small brains and are just too stupid to feel pain.
Other newer studies, from the University of Edinburgh, however have concluded that fish do indeed feel pain, and as soon as you yank them from the
water they begin to suffocate, their gills often collapse, and fish have the capacity for pain and suffering.
Of course then you have men, usually ultra conservative types, who believe they are on top of the food chain, and say, " you don't see sharks,
caring about the pain of the flounder of the seal, and so why should they worry about it?
These types, claim animal rights activist deny human exceptionalism.
You could probably guess what I think of human exceptionalism, and especially American exceptionalism, that is alive and well on this forum.
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Catch and release certainly doesn't work with fish caught in deep water. The rapid change in pressure kills them before you get them on board. At
least that is my experience when winter bottom fishing off of San Diego.
I've read that survival rate for released fish not caught at depth is around 50%. I imagine it depends upon the species.
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