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ncampion
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Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  |
BS!
Tons of studies show sports fishing depletes the stock and must be controlled. Do you think the seasonal and daily limits for sports fishing are just
for chits and grins?
Show me one study that shows good survival rates for catch and release of deep water fish. They all die. |
From Wikepedia:
"While a number of scientific studies (source/citation needed) have now found shallow water fish caught-and-released on fly and lure have extremely
high survival rates (95–97%)[citation needed] and moderately high survival rates on bait (70–90%, depending on species, bait, hook size, etc.),
emerging research suggests catch and release does not work very well with fish caught when deep sea fishing."
Link to reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_release
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ncampion
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On fish and pain:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/979794...
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Here in the Ensenada area, we have a very aggressive co-op and patrol system. The Mexican Navy is also constantly patrolling the waters, even down as
far as San Quintin.
Udo
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ncampion
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OK, now I'm finished being all of your research assistants. You can all use search engines as well as I.
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2010/08/08/should-fly-...
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | Catch and release certainly doesn't work with fish caught in deep water. The rapid change in pressure kills them before you get them on board. At
least that is my experience when winter bottom fishing off of San Diego.
I've read that survival rate for released fish not caught at depth is around 50%. I imagine it depends upon the species. |
There are a number of simple devices available allowing you to return the fish to the depth you have been fishing and they work very well. It is now
the law in Oregon you must have one of these release devises on board your boat or face a fine. All of the chartered sport boats are now using them.
They used to have the water around the boat cluttered with dead and dying fish of the endangered species until the Captain declared they have to move
their location as they were killing too many. I don’t know the survival rate using this method as you never see the fish againbut it is certainly
higher than piercing the bladders.
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Back in the Good Old Days .......................
'50s and '60s
We used to fish off Catalina Island and FILL multiple Gunny-Sacks in short-order with Rock-Cod using
leaders with (6) hooks and a heavy sinker to make hauling in from that deep water worth the effort. IF we slowed our retrieval in that last 50-100'
or so we'd often come up with heads only thanks to the Blue Sharks.
GREAT tasting fish worth the effort !
They died for a good cause.
[Edited on 6-21-2019 by MrBillM]
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JoeJustJoe
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If you're really about the disappearing fish. You should not worry about only overfishing but you should also worry about global warming, that is
responsible for the decline about 4% of the fish worldwide, and even more in specific places in the world, according to a new study.
[img]Climate change is endangering fish worldwide, shrinking populations by up to 35% in coastal regions near China and Japan, scientists say.
Ocean warming has led to a 4% global decline in sustainable catches, the greatest amount of fish that can be caught without depleting stocks
long-term, according to a studypublished Thursday in the journal Scienc
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I see this forum hasn't changed at all.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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Until and unless the dams are removed from the Colorado River the fish life in the Sea of Cortez is doomed. No amount of climate changing (that we're
experiencing) or over-fishing will do the damage done by stealing river flows for farming in California. But lets keep complaining about the end of
the Little Ice Age instead of repairing the real damage done.
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solosancarlos
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chemtrails are most definitely the connection
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There is no connection. He's just trying to lead others away from the fact that the SOC's once very healthy fishery is now and has been on a sharp
decline for yrs due to being over fished by not only illegal and commercials but "sport" fishermen as well.
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Earth is due for a re-boot and it will be Nature not man with the power to do so.
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Net fishing sucks
We have pulled out many unintended victims over the years .
Common sense would dictate no more net fishing .
No one has ever accused a gill netter of posessing common sense .
Lionel 
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Man has already changed the climate, and at rate emissions are continuing the climate “re-boot” (i.e. climate change) and ecological changes will
be enormous.
Dk, you continue to deny, you are part of the collective denialists ruining your descendant’s world because fear and greed prevent you from acting.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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Our neighbors are camping there this holiday week. They saw no large turtles but too many dead juvenile turtles to keep count. Lots of dead sharks
too. The local gill net fisherman say it’s the red tide. Lol.
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
Man has already changed the climate, and at rate emissions are continuing the climate “re-boot” (i.e. climate change) and ecological changes will
be enormous.
Dk, you continue to deny, you are part of the collective denialists ruining your descendant’s world because fear and greed prevent you from acting.
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Facts are facts and are not predictions, Goat.
Your group loves to make predictions... You say they are based on facts and science. Yet, nothing your group has claimed would happen has happened.
You continue to peddle your 'fear and tax everyone' ideas but Nature still bats last. The sea level is still the same place it has been the past
hundred years, photos don't lie. The earth is not burning as Al Gore claimed. For him the truth really is inconvenient. Climate does change over long
periods of time but not in one generation. It is the weather that changes, in cycles... hot to cold to hot again. Wet to dry to wet again. Everything
is normal and natural. The sun, volcanoes, and meteors will change the climate, not punishing the American people!
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LISTEN TO THE SCIENTISTS: 90 ITALIAN CLIMATE SCIENTISTS SIGN NEW PETITION
We must ‘’listen to the scientists’’ the climate alarmists preach.
Well in Italy, over 90 Scientists have recently signed a petition, titled; ‘’Climate, a counter-current petition’’.
To the President of the Republic
To the President of the Senate
To the President of the Chamber of Deputies
To the President of the Council
PETITION ON GLOBAL ANTHROPIC HEATING
The undersigned, citizens and scientists, send a warm invitation to political leaders to adopt environmental protection policies consistent with
scientific knowledge.
In particular, it is urgent to combat pollution where it occurs, according to the indications of the best science. In this regard, the delay with
which the wealth of knowledge made available by the world of research is used to reduce the anthropogenic pollutant emissions widely present in both
continental and marine environmental systems is deplorable.
But we must be aware that CARBON DIOXIDE IS ITSELF NOT A POLLUTANT. On the contrary, it is indispensable for life on our planet.
In recent decades, a thesis has spread that the heating of the Earth's surface of around 0.9°C observed from 1850 onwards would be anomalous and
caused exclusively by human activities, in particular by the emission of CO2 from the use of fossil fuels in the atmosphere.
This is the thesis of anthropic global warming promoted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) of the United Nations, whose
consequences would be environmental changes so serious as to fear enormous damage in an imminent future, unless drastic and costly mitigation measures
do not are immediately adopted.
In this regard, many nations of the world have joined programs to reduce carbon dioxide emissions and are pressed, even by a throbbing propaganda, to
adopt increasingly demanding programs whose implementation, which involves heavy burdens on the economies of the individual member states, it would
depend on climate control and, therefore, the "salvation" of the planet.
However, the anthropic origin of global warming IS AN UNPROVEN HYPOTHESIS, deduced only from some climate models, that is complex computer programs,
called General Circulation Models .
On the contrary, the scientific literature has increasingly highlighted the existence of a natural climatic variability that the models are not able
to reproduce.
This natural variability explains a substantial part of global warming observed since 1850.
The anthropic responsibility for climate change observed in the last century is therefore UNJUSTIFIABLY EXAGGERATED and catastrophic predictions ARE
NOT REALISTIC.
The climate is the most complex system on our planet, so it needs to be addressed with methods that are adequate and consistent with its level of
complexity.
Climate simulation models do not reproduce the observed natural variability of the climate and, in particular, do not reconstruct the warm periods of
the last 10,000 years. These were repeated about every thousand years and include the well-known Medieval Warm Period , the Hot Roman Period , and
generally warm periods during the Optimal Holocene period .
These PERIODS OF THE PAST HAVE ALSO BEEN WARMER THAN THE PRESENT PERIOD, despite the CO2 concentration being lower than the current, while they are
related to the millennial cycles of solar activity. These effects are not reproduced by the models.
It should be remembered that the heating observed since 1900 has actually started in the 1700s, ie at the minimum of the Little Ice Age , the coldest
period of the last 10,000 years (corresponding to the millennial minimum of solar activity that astrophysicists call Maunder Minimal Solar ). Since
then, solar activity, following its millennial cycle, has increased by heating the earth's surface.
Furthermore, the models fail to reproduce the known climatic oscillations of about 60 years.
These were responsible, for example, for a warming period (1850-1880) followed by a cooling period (1880-1910), a heating (1910-40), a cooling
(1940-70) and a a new warming period (1970-2000) similar to that observed 60 years earlier.
The following years (2000-2019) saw the increase not predicted by the models of about 0.2 ° C per decade, but a substantial climatic stability that
was sporadically interrupted by the rapid natural oscillations of the equatorial Pacific ocean, known as the El Nino Southern Oscillations , like the
one that led to temporary warming between 2015 and 2016.
The media also claim that extreme events, such as hurricanes and cyclones, have increased alarmingly. Conversely, these events, like many climate
systems, have been modulated since the aforementioned 60-year cycle.
For example, if we consider the official data from 1880 on tropical Atlantic cyclones that hit North America, they appear to have a strong 60-year
oscillation, correlated with the Atlantic Ocean's thermal oscillation called Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation .
The peaks observed per decade are compatible with each other in the years 1880-90, 1940-50 and 1995-2005. From 2005 to 2015 the number of cyclones
decreased precisely following the aforementioned cycle. Thus, in the period 1880-2015, between number of cyclones (which oscillates) and CO 2 (which
increases monotonically) there is no correlation.
The climate system is not yet sufficiently understood. Although it is true that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, according to the IPCC itself the climate
sensitivity to its increase in the atmosphere is still extremely uncertain.
It is estimated that a doubling of the concentration of atmospheric CO2, from around 300 ppm pre-industrial to 600 ppm, can raise the average
temperature of the planet from a minimum of 1 ° C to a maximum of 5 ° C.
This uncertainty is enormous.
In any case, many recent studies based on experimental data estimate that the climate sensitivity to CO2 is CONSIDERABLY LOWER than that estimated by
the IPCC models.
Then, it is scientifically unrealistic to attribute to humans the responsibility for warming observed from the past century to today. The advanced
alarmist forecasts, therefore, are not credible, since they are based on models whose results contradict the experimental data.
All the evidence suggests that these MODELS OVERESTIMATE the anthropic contribution and underestimate the natural climatic variability, especially
that induced by the sun, the moon, and ocean oscillations.
Finally, the media release the message according to which, with regard to the human cause
of current climate change, there would be an almost unanimous consensus among scientists that the scientific debate would be closed.
However, first of all we must be aware that the scientific method dictates that the facts , and not the number of adherents, make a conjecture a
consolidated scientific theory .
In any case, the same alleged consensus DOES NOT EXIST. In fact, there is a remarkable variability of opinions among specialists - climatologists,
meteorologists, geologists, geophysicists, astrophysicists - many of whom recognize an important natural contribution to global warming observed from
the pre-industrial period and even from the post-war period to today.
There have also been petitions signed by thousands of scientists who have expressed dissent with the conjecture of anthropic global warming.
These include the one promoted in 2007 by the physicist F. Seitz, former president of the American National Academy of Sciences , and the one promoted
by the Non-governmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC), whose 2009 report concludes that "Nature does not the activity of Man governs
the climate ”.
In conclusion, given the CRUCIAL IMPORTANCE THAT FOSSIL FUELS have for the energy supply of humanity, we suggest that they do not adhere to policies
of uncritical reduction of the emission of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere with THE ILLUSORY PRETENSE OF GOVERNING THE CLIMATE.
http://www.opinione.it/…/redazione_riscaldamento-globale-...
PROMOTING COMMITTEE :
1. Uberto Crescenti, Emeritus Professor of Applied Geology, University G. D’Annunzio, Chieti-Pescara, formerly Rector and President of the Italian
Geological Society.
2. Giuliano Panza, Professor of Seismology, University of Trieste, Academician of the Lincei and of the National Academy of Sciences, called of the
XL, 2018 International Award of the American Geophysical Union.
3. Alberto Prestininzi, Professor of Applied Geology, La Sapienza University, Rome, formerly Scientific Editor in Chief of the magazine International
IJEGE and Director of the Geological Risk Forecasting and Control Research Center.
4. Franco Prodi, Professor of Atmospheric Physics, University of Ferrara.
5. Franco Battaglia, Professor of Physical Chemistry, University of Modena; Galileo Movement 2001.
6. Mario Giaccio, Professor of Technology and Economics of Energy Sources, University G. D’Annunzio, Chieti-Pescara, former Dean of the Faculty of
Economics.
7. Enrico Miccadei, Professor of Physical Geography and Geomorphology, University G. D’Annunzio, Chieti-Pescara.
8. Nicola Scafetta, Professor of Atmospheric Physics and Oceanography, Federico II University, Naples.
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Skipjack Joe
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Nope. The show must go on.
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Same old grumps. However I find no correlation between almost 90 degree temps in Alaska for a week and any sign of climate change.  WTF!
Trump must be correct in thinking all is well. Hum, Record temps at the woman World Cup in France... certainly a fluke .
Me in the A/C before golf later in la notches, at this hour surfing this site? Defiantly a fluke. What has happened to my life?
Seriously, Houston we have a problem. Maybe they should fly the Baby Trump ballon today with an ostrich head in the sand ballon beside it. I pray for
my children that they don't fry like an egg within the next 2 decades.
It has became way hotter here in BCS over the last 10 years than it was before. Granted May and June were perfect, but Alaska as hot as here
now...that might be a problem
Yeah, I know. Just like Baby Boy tweeted today that if you don't like
"Our conditions here", just go back to where you're from. WTF to go when we are going to boil like illegally caught cameron in a pot. Well, might as
well go kill more fish and sealife and wait until we do boil over and eat well at least.
Sorry, got to go now as the alberca is starting to overheat and I need to use it before we are out of agua. (that should stimulate the greeners)
God I love this place!
Good day
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THE GREAT CLIMATE DEBATE
It's such a great debate for a place such as this because it allows every point of view to be pompously expressed as though the participants were
gifted with great insight, wisdom and erudition regardless of position safe in the knowledge that they will not likely be proven right or wrong until
long after they're dead.
Someone could just as easily argue that Wee Leprechauns deep down inside the earth are brewing magical gases in great pots which change the
weather and not be proven wrong.
Granted, he might be viewed with greater skepticism than even a "reason-challenged" member of the Doofus Donald fellowship, but
(maybe) not by much.
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