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mtgoat666
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The N-zis were followed by neo-N-zis.
The imperialists/missionaries were followed by the neo-imperialists/missionaries
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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KurtG
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An excellent book published by Santa Clara University. All "primary source" material from many points of view of California 1535-1846.
https://www.amazon.com/Lands-Promise-Despair-Chronicles-Cali...
And another: https://www.amazon.com/Converting-California-Indians-Francis...
[Edited on 6-22-2019 by KurtG]
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TMW
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Go anywhere in the world and ask anyone where Americans live and they will tell you the United States. Not Canada, not Mexico or any other Central
American country or any South American country just the USA plain and simple. You can try and justify other countries all you want but everyone knows
who you are talking about when you say American.
GED do you ID yourself as a Canadian or an American. Mexicans ID themselves as Mexicans, Panamanians ID themselves as Panamanians, etc etc. Goat and
JJJ just ID themselves as stupid. I have never ID'd myself as a USAian.
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TMW
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By the way any bells removed can be sent to me I'll gladly take them.
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Quote: Originally posted by TMW  | Go anywhere in the world and ask anyone where Americans live and they will tell you the United States. Not Canada, not Mexico or any other Central
American country or any South American country just the USA plain and simple. You can try and justify other countries all you want but everyone knows
who you are talking about when you say American.
GED do you ID yourself as a Canadian or an American. Mexicans ID themselves as Mexicans, Panamanians ID themselves as Panamanians, etc etc. Goat and
JJJ just ID themselves as stupid. I have never ID'd myself as a USAian. |
Exactly...and you are part of the problem. The USA has taken over the word American to the exclusion of everyone else.
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TOM,
for the first time JJJ and goat were right on.
No rambling - just right on the money.
Harald Pietschmann
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| Quote: Originally posted by TMW | Go anywhere in the world and ask anyone where Americans live and they will tell you the United States. Not Canada, not Mexico or any other Central
American country or any South American country just the USA plain and simple. You can try and justify other countries all you want but everyone knows
who you are talking about when you say American.
GED do you ID yourself as a Canadian or an American. Mexicans ID themselves as Mexicans, Panamanians ID themselves as Panamanians, etc etc. Goat and
JJJ just ID themselves as stupid. I have never ID'd myself as a USAian. |
Tom,
I am not sure your first point is universally true (and doubt you have done such research, but rather make a statement of belief/supposition rather
than fact).
I have no idea what you mean when you say I am "justifying other countries".
And I see and tend to identify myself as a Canadian, and recognize Canada as one of several north American countries..... so could call myself a
Canadian North American if I want to be more precise.
Goat and JJJ DO NOT identify themselves as stupid.....that identification hobby is only taken up by the usual mouthbreathers here...
And you say "I have never ID'd myself as a USAian".....
I understand that.....but as SF&H said.....you guys need to get your own identity moniker figured out....
[Edited on 6-23-2019 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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MrBillM
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The World History of Colonization ..................
.............. Is that (without exception) those Colonized got Screwed.
So What ?
We've moved on.
BTW, Any of those Canuckians, Mexicans, Central and South Americans (along with the various area Island peoples) are free to
call themselves Americans if they feel like it. Heck, let the polar *Eskimos on for the ride, too.
It might get a little confusing, but who cares ?
* Yeah, yeah, I know .............. they're into Inuit now.
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motoged
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Spoken like a true Murikan
....and they have always called themselves Inuit..... others came up with the Eskimo moniker
[Edited on 6-23-2019 by motoged]
Don't believe everything you think....
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MrBillM
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Ya Gotta Admit .................
That Inuit Pie just wouldn't have the same zing.
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John Harper
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What about NATIVE Americans?
John
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History is written by the winners, it has never been true. Let the bells stand. Change the narrative of the bells.
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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I live near several Indian Nations (formerly known only as Reservations), and they are doing great... Big hotels, water parks, and casinos, casinos,
casinos! Pala, Pauma Valley, Rincon, Valley View (San Pasqual Band of Indians), La Jolla, Pechanga... and many more.
EDIT to ADD THIS LINK:
https://www.californiafrontier.net/why-did-native-americans-...
This is from an author of Alta California Mission History.
[Edited on 6-24-2019 by David K]
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motoged
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
I live near several Indian Nations (formerly known only as Reservations), and they are doing great... Big hotels, water parks, and casinos, casinos,
casinos! Pala, Pauma Valley, Rincon, Valley View (San Pasqual Band of Indians), La Jolla, Pechanga... and many more. |
So........what is your point? 
Don't believe everything you think....
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MrBillM
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Native Americans AREN'T
WHATEVER the land was called by whomever, it wasn't named America.
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motoged
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unuit.....
translation for some of you: you-knew-it
Don't believe everything you think....
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Maybe you came to the debate late, MrBill, but I doubt it's settled for everybody here that those colonized got screwed.
There are some actually here on "Baja Nomad" that actually believe the Catholic priests of the Franciscan order actually did a good thing and brought
structure, order, and Christianity to heathen indigenous natives. These types also believe if any abuse too place, it was at the hands of the
Spaniard military, but the priests were basically the good guys who tried to stop the military from abusing the Indians.
Along the same lines, if you saw the Mel Gipson, racist movie," Apocalypto," which denigrated the Mayan culture. ( yeah I still enjoyed the fiction
movie)
If you remember the ending of the movie, with the Spanish coming carrying the cross. I bet the majority of white Christians in America, saw that as a
good thing, while the rest of us who saw the movie were horrified because we knew the real history.
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MrBillM
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UN, IN or OUT
Is what IT's all about ?
Or is that the Hokey-Pokey ?
As to the Christian order ..................... didn't Jesus say "thou can't make an omelette without breaking legs ?"
Or, something like that.
Maybe, it was Jose ?
Jimenez ?
[Edited on 6-23-2019 by MrBillM]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc | | Quote: Originally posted by David K |
I live near several Indian Nations (formerly known only as Reservations), and they are doing great... Big hotels, water parks, and casinos, casinos,
casinos! Pala, Pauma Valley, Rincon, Valley View (San Pasqual Band of Indians), La Jolla, Pechanga... and many more. |
those Indian Nations are not doing great because they have been treated well by the people who stole most of their land.
They are not doing great because they had great schools and education.
They are not doing great because they enjoyed the same social support the invaders did.
They doing OK at the moment because of white Jewish/Christian investors. The big bucks are still going to the ones who have already too much.
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Those tribe are doing well ($) cause they got a casino near a big population of suckers!
[Edited on 6-23-2019 by mtgoat666]
[Edited on 6-26-2019 by BajaNomad]
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Wow! David, could you perhaps take a bit of your "research" time and look into the current condition of native Americans cultures , and the policies
and procedures that lead to those conditions! Your willful ignorance of a true American Made genocide, is unbelievable!
I owe you a book David: Pm me an address, I will send you
"when the Great Spirit died: the destruction of California Indians 1850 - 1860, by G. Seacrest. easily read well documented historical account. and
there are several other books covering similar topics.
as one who apparently fancies himself as a historian, i would assume any more "historical knowledge you can add to your knowledge pool will give you
better context!
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it! george santayana (paraphrased to the most common modern version)
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